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Civil War Warning Signs (Original Post) orangecrush Mar 30 OP
Courts.... Lovie777 Mar 30 #1
Trial courts are being targeted for elimination. Frasier Balzov Mar 30 #4
I think you know the answer to that one. marybourg Mar 30 #5
The Rehnquist 5 created this nightmare GoreWon2000 Mar 31 #26
scary RJ-MacReady Mar 30 #2
Why did the journalist not just let her talk? I hate that shit. n/t PatrickforB Mar 30 #3
Exactly, she was about to say the 2 most important factors and she got sidetracked by the anchor. Swede Mar 30 #8
The anchor mentioned the two factors in her opening remarks at the very beginning. Native Mar 30 #20
Yeah, but when it came time for Walter to elaborate on those factors she cut her off to ask some inane question. PatrickforB Mar 31 #27
Don't! ZDU Mar 30 #12
Totally agree Seinan Sensei Mar 30 #18
yes you did...the anchor mentioned them at the very beginning Native Mar 30 #19
The two factors are misanthrope Mar 31 #25
Thanks for bringing attention to this important scholar's work. Pinback Mar 30 #6
Most welcome orangecrush Mar 30 #21
This totally explains Musk's purchase of Twitter orangecrush Mar 30 #22
DT losing control... EarthAbides Mar 30 #7
Her last points included "Protests and peaceful resistance work." erronis Mar 30 #9
Mass action: signs, memes, protests, economic choices, stress-testing DOdGEy replacements, voting Bernardo de La Paz Mar 30 #16
Hands Off! NATIONWIDE Mass mobilization rally/protest April 5.Where, times, details. Amaryllis Mar 30 #23
Barbara F. Walter on Wikipedia erronis Mar 30 #10
Religious based extremists ZDU Mar 30 #11
I highly JustAnotherGen Mar 30 #13
Following CitizenZero Mar 30 #14
There are no saviors at the top. Government cannot fix itself. Magoo48 Mar 30 #15
People here are now embracing guns Kaleva Mar 30 #17
OK, the 'journalist' cut Walter off while she was about to elaborate on the two main factors that cause PatrickforB Mar 31 #24

Frasier Balzov

(4,214 posts)
4. Trial courts are being targeted for elimination.
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 05:56 PM
Mar 30

And judges and staff are vulnerable to having their pay suddenly stopped at Treasury.

Courts either won't be in their way or will be seated with judges who agree with the ongoing usurpation.

Where would be the next line of resistance after that?

GoreWon2000

(1,417 posts)
26. The Rehnquist 5 created this nightmare
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 02:37 PM
Mar 31

when they stopped the legal Florida vote count in 2000.

PatrickforB

(15,198 posts)
3. Why did the journalist not just let her talk? I hate that shit. n/t
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 05:53 PM
Mar 30

Un-effing-believable - WE NEVER GOT TO HEAR THE TWO FACTORS. Shit. Crummy interviewing.

Swede

(35,864 posts)
8. Exactly, she was about to say the 2 most important factors and she got sidetracked by the anchor.
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 06:29 PM
Mar 30

FFS

PatrickforB

(15,198 posts)
27. Yeah, but when it came time for Walter to elaborate on those factors she cut her off to ask some inane question.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 02:44 PM
Mar 31

So I posted a more complete version below.

ZDU

(271 posts)
12. Don't!
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 07:06 PM
Mar 30

Don't get that close to disclosure and further discussion! Legacy media regularly and routinely reigns-in the truth tellers.

Seinan Sensei

(932 posts)
18. Totally agree
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 08:03 PM
Mar 30

I want to know the two most predictive factors.
The interviewer got right to the most important part, then slipped-in a canned question off an index card.
I will do my own digging, to learn Barbara F Walter’s most predictive factors.
Terrible (rookie?) interviewer, indeed.

Native

(7,003 posts)
19. yes you did...the anchor mentioned them at the very beginning
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 08:25 PM
Mar 30

prior to the interview. the 1st is anocracy, and the 2nd is when the citizens of that country start to organize around identity rather than ideology. It was in her opening remarks.

misanthrope

(8,630 posts)
25. The two factors are
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 02:31 PM
Mar 31

anocracy (or partial democracy) like is seen in Hungary, and ethnic factionalism.

Pinback

(13,127 posts)
6. Thanks for bringing attention to this important scholar's work.
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 06:04 PM
Mar 30

When I posted about her warnings a few months ago, I was lambasted with replies like “Yawn,” “Dr. Walter has a book to sell,” and so on. I think more of us are ready to take her message seriously now.

orangecrush

(24,061 posts)
22. This totally explains Musk's purchase of Twitter
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 08:55 PM
Mar 30

The author said social media is one of the main tools for those who start these conflicts, and needs to be regulated.

EarthAbides

(240 posts)
7. DT losing control...
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 06:24 PM
Mar 30

Dumpster Trump is losing control of the narrative and he knows it. I expect him to do something this next week to get back in control of the narrative. Malcolm Nance thinks Dumpster Trump is going to bomb Iran. Dumpster Trump is threatening Iran with annihilation as I write this.

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,267 posts)
16. Mass action: signs, memes, protests, economic choices, stress-testing DOdGEy replacements, voting
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 07:52 PM
Mar 30

Get out the vote in Florida ASAP.

Amaryllis

(10,218 posts)
23. Hands Off! NATIONWIDE Mass mobilization rally/protest April 5.Where, times, details.
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 08:59 PM
Mar 30

Hands Off! NATIONWIDE Mass mobilization rally/protest April 5. Where, times, details. What to know. Info hub here.
https://handsoff2025.com/about

On Saturday, April 5th, we rise up with one demand: Hands Off!

There are over 100 partner organizations sponsoring this!
https://handsoff2025.com/about-1

This is a nationwide mobilization to stop the most brazen power grab in modern history. Trump, Musk, and their billionaire cronies are orchestrating an all-out assault on our government, our economy, and our basic rights—enabled by Congress every step of the way.

They want to strip America for parts—shuttering Social Security offices, firing essential workers, eliminating consumer protections, and gutting Medicaid—all to bankroll their billionaire tax scam. They’re handing over our tax dollars, our public services, and our democracy to the ultra-rich.

If we don’t fight now, there won’t be anything left to save.

This is the moment where we say NO. No more looting, no more stealing, no more billionaires raiding our government while working people struggle to survive.

On April 5th, we take action. Across the country, thousands of people will march, rally, disrupt, and demand an end to this billionaire power grab. We’ll show up at state capitals, federal buildings, congressional offices, and city centers—anywhere we can make sure they hear us.

Sign up for news and updates:
https://handsoff2025.com/

Sign up for the Safety & De-escalation training on Wednesday, April 2nd at 8pm ET to learn best practices to help ensure it’s safe and welcoming.
https://handsoff2025.com

ZDU

(271 posts)
11. Religious based extremists
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 07:03 PM
Mar 30

Call it what it is.
Hate-based religious extremists. Period.
The hateful sheep follow their shepard.

JustAnotherGen

(34,643 posts)
13. I highly
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 07:18 PM
Mar 30

Recommend her book. There's a reason why Black folks have been arming ourselves the past few months.

Magoo48

(6,168 posts)
15. There are no saviors at the top. Government cannot fix itself.
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 07:49 PM
Mar 30

We The Grass Roots of the United States of America are the solution. Through massive and sustained actions,, we must make it clear to those we would like to govern us what we want, and we will settle for nothing less. Our leaders have to know that we hired them to do a fucking job, not to get rich, not to ignore and abuse us, but to follow our orders to the best of their ability, since, we are their employers.
Free governments are afraid of the people.
Oppressed people are afraid of their government.

PatrickforB

(15,198 posts)
24. OK, the 'journalist' cut Walter off while she was about to elaborate on the two main factors that cause
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 12:39 PM
Mar 31

civil war. It bugged the heck out of me so I looked it up. Here is a report from some local station prior to its release in January this year. Here is the link: https://www.kpbs.org/news/midday-edition/2022/01/06/new-book-looks-at-root-causes-of-civil-unrest

Note how the title of this article edits 'civil war' to read 'civil unrest.' Guess they don't want us to talk about these right wing Nazi militia groups.

One year ago Thursday, insurrectionists swarmed the U.S. Capitol, shocking the nation and leaving many wondering how robust our democracy really is. A new book looks at the conditions that lead to civil war in countries throughout the world and searches for answers on how to avoid them.

Barbara Walter, the author of "How Civil Wars Start: And How to Stop Them," joined Midday Edition on the 1-year anniversary of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, to talk about the book, including what characteristics the United States of today shares with countries that have had civil wars.

Walter says two major factors are common in the lead up to civil wars. The first comes from a fraying of democracy in the country. The other is "whether a country's politics devolve into racial, ethnic or religious politics," she said. "The groups that tend to start civil wars are the groups that were once politically dominant, and have either lost power, or are in the process of losing power," Walters said. Walters, who is also a UC San Diego political science professor, talked about how racism and the fear of changing racial demographics in the nation have been feeding dissent.

"People don't want war, but they will turn to violence when they lose hope in the existing system. And here in the United States, I do think the subset of the white population, that is deeply threatened by changing demographics, has come to realize that democracy no longer works for them," Walter said.
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