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The economy will crash because of Trump. When that happens, will GOP lawmakers change their tune? Is this how it ends? (Original Post) Doodley Mar 31 OP
They will blame it on Biden, mcar Mar 31 #1
110% this will be said but also very patriotic chicoescuela Mar 31 #5
Trump knows how to break and bankrupt things C_U_L8R Mar 31 #2
"must be bdamomma Mar 31 #24
Show them what they've won, Vanna. FalloutShelter Mar 31 #3
That's in the plan Blue Full Moon Mar 31 #4
No. Then they talk more about austerity cuts newdeal2 Mar 31 #6
And deep tax cuts on the wealthy ("job creators")... sop Mar 31 #8
True and that timing lines up nicely with the upcoming Repub budget newdeal2 Mar 31 #11
Disaster waiting to happen Johnny2X2X Mar 31 #7
True, and who woulf build factories in a recession? Doodley Mar 31 #12
Trump will announce all sorts of "investments" Johnny2X2X Mar 31 #13
AI based robotics will power new factories in about a year a two andym Mar 31 #16
Seems pretty silly to me Johnny2X2X Mar 31 #17
True it would be more efficient to design robots not in human shape, but the Figure robots serve a niche andym Mar 31 #18
And why would assembly robots be AI based? Johnny2X2X Mar 31 #19
To dynamically deal with assembly flows, potential backups, repairs etc. andym Mar 31 #20
If it could be done more efficiently than humans w non-AI machines it already would be and is Bernardo de La Paz Mar 31 #22
They are from distrcts that are full of Trump cultists JI7 Mar 31 #9
No. They will double down and... S/V Loner Mar 31 #10
They will begin buying up property and businesses. Fire sale. travelingthrulife Mar 31 #14
It ends when Trump's popularity numbers drop Johonny Mar 31 #15
GOP lawmakers may object but the WH and friends are going to the mat for their domestic and global agendas. It may wiggs Mar 31 #21
Mike "Saintly" Johnson & the RepubliCONners gave away Congressional direction of expenditures to the WH. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 31 #23

C_U_L8R

(47,099 posts)
2. Trump knows how to break and bankrupt things
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 09:21 AM
Mar 31

But he's yet to prove that he can grow a thing (besides debt). Or that he even has a plan to make things better. He must be seriously demented to spend so much effort to inflict so much pain on so many people.

bdamomma

(67,996 posts)
24. "must be
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 04:56 PM
Mar 31

seriously demented" should be "is seriously demented". He hates everything except for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and power.

Johnny2X2X

(22,729 posts)
7. Disaster waiting to happen
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 09:31 AM
Mar 31

I am a free trade Democrat. I truly believe that free trade is the most effective way to change the world for the better. To see the Free Trade forever Republicans going all in on tariffs is unreal.

They sold people a bill of good over generations, that it was trade that hurt the middle class and not greed. We simply aren't going to bring back a middle class with low skilled low paying manufacturing jobs. It's not going to happen, American companies aren't going to build new factories here building widgets when they can still get widgets abroad cheaper, it's just weasier for them to charge more. And the few factories that do get built will be low paying jobs no one can live off from.

Johnny2X2X

(22,729 posts)
13. Trump will announce all sorts of "investments"
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 10:37 AM
Mar 31

He'll have a parade of CEOs out there saying they're building this or that. But it was all already planned anyway.

Biden is the one who actually brought manufacturing jobs back to the US, and he didn't do it using tariffs.

But regardless, there will be no blue collar renaissance, Unskilled factory jobs making car parts that pay $75K a year with good benefits are never coming back s the norm. Going to college or learning a trade is still the only way people will be in the middle class and that is tenuous now too.

All they're going to do is raise prices on regular people.

andym

(5,936 posts)
16. AI based robotics will power new factories in about a year a two
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 11:11 AM
Mar 31

so few new jobs will result. Look at Figure.AI They already have robots working on auto assembly lines for BMW.

Johnny2X2X

(22,729 posts)
17. Seems pretty silly to me
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 11:38 AM
Mar 31

No reason for robots to be shaped like humans. There are millions of robots working in factories right now around the world and virtually none are shaped like people. I realize these is happening with BMW and the Figure 2 robots are even more advanced, but I think these events are more to show the technology off than to make a useful robot in a factory setting. These are human shaped for effect, for the image of it, not for usefullness.

I always get a chuckle out of human looking robots, as if human shaped is ideal for assembly for most repetitive tasks. The human form has too much wasted movement. The average autoparts plant right now looks totally different than our image of one from the 1970s or 80s. People no longer work side by side for the most part. There's a lot of distance between workers because of all the automation.

Automation, with dumb robots will still be doing most of the work. AI will come in at running those robots and making decisions to optimize the factory.



andym

(5,936 posts)
18. True it would be more efficient to design robots not in human shape, but the Figure robots serve a niche
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 01:17 PM
Mar 31

they can be used on assembly lines already configured for humans. As time goes by, they will be obsolete as you imply.

Johnny2X2X

(22,729 posts)
19. And why would assembly robots be AI based?
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 01:31 PM
Mar 31

That would be a total waste of AI. Maybe the machines that service the robots doing the assembly could use AI to diagnose and repair them, but there is no need for artificial intelligence to be involved at all in basic tasks like assembly line work.

andym

(5,936 posts)
20. To dynamically deal with assembly flows, potential backups, repairs etc.
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 03:43 PM
Mar 31

AI could slow assembly down, sped it up, add in backup lines as needed, and have robots perform repairs or remove problems. efficiency gains could be substantial. Now, humans play these key roles, and these is specialized training need for such folks.
Moreover AI vision could help detect problems before they occur and mitigate them.

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,698 posts)
22. If it could be done more efficiently than humans w non-AI machines it already would be and is
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 04:49 PM
Mar 31

Robot welding is well established, but that is very precisely positioned perfectly measured from CAD design data files.

True robotic production will enable much greater flexibility of workflow and diagnosis of hiccups than dedicated super-specialized machinery.

Johonny

(23,334 posts)
15. It ends when Trump's popularity numbers drop
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 11:04 AM
Mar 31

Within party to where they are now with independents and Democrats.

If his solid wall of 90+ GOP base cracks, then you will see massive opposition. He is an unlikable asshole. He has plenty of in party enemies. But they will stay silent so long as the base lobes him.

wiggs

(8,195 posts)
21. GOP lawmakers may object but the WH and friends are going to the mat for their domestic and global agendas. It may
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 04:23 PM
Mar 31

be a reasonable assumption that they've declared war domestically and have aims to declare practical and/or literal war on anyone and any country not allied with the new world order. This could be the beginning of a once-and-for-all effort to re-align everything and it's not getting discussed enough out in the open.

We gave the executive branch and military to what is likely a disordered sociopath...who has quickly done what alleged malignant narcissists would, of course, do...and has pursued the axiom of 'absolute power corrupts absolutely' although it can be said that he started off with a high degree of corruption and accelerated upwards from there.

Yes, things will get bad and I'm not sure it's unintentional. Are we at a crossroads or did we already pass the crossroads some time ago? Can non-cult goprs stop it? Are elections something we can count on to change directions?

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,698 posts)
23. Mike "Saintly" Johnson & the RepubliCONners gave away Congressional direction of expenditures to the WH. . . nt
Mon Mar 31, 2025, 04:52 PM
Mar 31
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