So... Many Here Have Been Accused Of "Hating" President Obama... So Lets Poll This Out...

[WillyT]

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	I hate President Obama.
	1 (1%)
	I am suspicious of President Obama.
	7 (8%)
	I am deeply dissappointed in President Obama.
	51 (61%)
	I am somewhat annoyed at President Obama.
	4 (5%)
	I am waiting to see what happens next.
	8 (10%)
	I think President Obama is doing the right thing.
	4 (5%)
	I think President Obama is smarter than the rest of us and has a plan we cannot fathom.
	4 (5%)
	Obligatory Other.
	1 (1%)
	Or... I don't give a rat's ass anymore.
	3 (4%)
	1 DU member did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[Rex]

1. What? No, "I love the President" vote?

[merrily]

44. What are we, Justin Bieber fans?

[Blue_In_AK]

2. I don't give a rat's ass anymore.

Just like our state governor and legislature, they're going to do what they're going to do. Nothing you or I say is going to make a damn bit of difference.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. I'm with ya.

I'm about to give up.

[randome]

8. 'Give up'?

Giving up is not an option for most of us.

This is what has been accomplished or is being pushed now:
Pushing for gay rights.
Pushing for gun control.
Covering pre-existing medical conditions.
Covering contraception.
Expanding Medicaid coverage.
Pushing for equitable taxation.
Pushing for immigration reform.
Violence Against Women Act.
Lily Ledbetter Act.

A week ago, gun control was written off but now it looks like SOMETHING will get passed. Maybe it won't. But giving up would only ensure it fails.

A lot has been accomplished. Some mis-steps have been made. Obama is not perfect. Big deal. Let's hold his feet to the fire and move on.

[groundloop]

42. Over? Did you say "over"?

Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

I'm with President Obama on like 90 percent of what he's doing. On the things that I don't agree with him on I'm letting him know about it. He still has my support, I'm not sitting out the next election.

[merrily]

46. Hold his feet to the fire? How would you suggest doing that?

[cheapdate]

50. Here's a suggestion...

one could lie in his or her closet and weep, silently and alone.

Or, one could try to find ways to make his or her voice heard, either directly or indirectly, individually or in concert with others.

[socialist_n_TN]

4. Unfortunately, that was my vote too.....

This is the end stage of capitalism edging into fascism, as described by Mussolini. Where there is a merger of state and big corps. I made my choice to fight the system a few years ago and not just the individual actors, INCLUDING Obama.

[Blue_In_AK]

15. I think as much as anything, I'm totally disgusted with what's going on in my state.

Our legislature is on the brink of giving ConocoPhillips, BP and EXXON a $2 billion a year tax break (which comes straight out of our state budget) with absolutely no guarantees of anything in return. Allegedly this is supposed to increase production on the North Slope, but there are no promisees in the deal -- basically, they're just giving Big Oil $2 billion a year to spend as they wish, where they wish, and if Alaskans lose out, so be it.

That's the biggie, but they've also passed a Stand Your Ground law, a nullification law with regard to guns (i.e., the troopers can arrest any federal employee who tries to enforce federal law -- yeah, THAT'S going to work), they've rolled back the anti-pollution measures we put in place by citizens' referendum to keep the cruise ships from dumping their waste in our waters ... it goes on and on and on. Oh, and they want to take (the dwindling) public money and give it to private schools (clearly against Alaska's constitution).

Alaska is being ALECsized, and I don't even like to think about it.

So what goes on nationally is just icing on the cake.

[WillyT]

24. :pals:

[socialist_n_TN]

30. Yeah, Tennessee is being ALECized too.......

Charter, for profit, schools, changing the worker's comp system to screw workers who are injured on the job, rolling back city living wage rules, and many more ATTEMPTS at a theocracy that have made the news nationwide.

It's not that I don't CARE and will just give up. I just don't think we can do anything through the political system as it's set up now. It's going to have to get bad enough for everybody (or at least a vast majority) just to quit supporting it. Then we're going to have to bring the military EMs and NCOs over to our side because when we stop co-operating with the system, that's when they sic the dogs on us. Politics as it's constituted now isn't going to help us.

Currently in capitalist politics, it's neo-liberal or neo-liberal lite. Death by a stab in the heart or death by a thousand cuts. Either way, it's still death.

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. Can I change my vote to, "I don't give a rat's ass anymore", cause I really don't.

[Skittles]

22. I don't think you'd be here if you didn't care

[Curmudgeoness]

6. Nothing I say is going to make a difference, but

damn it, I am going to say it anyways. And I have tried to make myself not give a rat's ass....I know nothing is going to change. But I can't give up.....I don't have the "I don't care" gene.

[socialist_n_TN]

26. Well maybe I read it wrong, but I chose this because......

I honestly don't think that electoral politics is going to make much of a difference anymore. If it ever did in the first place. That doesn't mean that I don't care and will not fight against this type of fascism, it just means that fighting it in the current political system doesn't work anymore. I choose to fight it outside the rigged system of capitalist politics.

[Zorra]

5. Other, and I plead the 5th. nt

[HubertHeaver]

9. Plead it while ya got it...

[xchrom]

7. Interesting poll.

And like zorra - I'll take the 5th.

[Summer Hathaway]

10. A meaningless poll

if ever there was one.

You might as well put up a poll that asks "Are you a RW troll pretending to be a Democrat on this website?"

It's not like the guilty parties are going to out themselves as trolls, or admit their hatred of Obama - or both, as the case may be.

[WillyT]

12. Thank You For Making My Point So Eloquently...

"It's not like the guilty parties are going to out themselves as trolls, or admit their hatred of Obama - or both, as the case may be."

Or...

"It's not like the guilty parties are going to out themselves as trolls, or admit their hatred of Obama - or both, as the case may be."

[Summer Hathaway]

17. I honestly wish I understood

what point it is you are trying to make.

There are those here guilty of hating Obama, the man, while pretending to merely hate his policies - but they are not about to admit it.

There are those who are guilty of being RW trolls, but they are not about to admit it either.

And in many cases, the Obama-haters are also RW trolls.

Clear enough for you?

[hay rick]

31. I may be an Obama-hating troll

or maybe I just don't like chained cpi. Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

[cthulu2016]

40. Precisely. People who disagree with you must be impostors.

Only possible explanation, really.

[Summer Hathaway]

45. Someone took a wrong turn

and missed the point by miles.

What I said had absolutely nothing to do with people disagreeing with me being imposters.

What it DID have to do with - now pay close attention here - is that posting a poll asking people to admit to the very thing they vehemently deny is pointless.

We all know that racists exist. Do you think if you posted a poll asking "who's a racist here", all the racists would actually hold up their hands and say "Yeah, I'm one!"

[Cooley Hurd]

11. Should the budget be passed, I will be pissed!

Until then, well... I guess I will wait to see how this plays out. I've witnessed politics for well over 40 years now and there's one thing I can honestly say... SURPRISES are the rule, not the exception. And, yes, I've thrown many babies out with gallons of bathwater, only to be in awe of the politics of it all.

Am I in favor of chained CPI? I know people personally who will be significantly affected by this, so no. HELL no!

But, this President is different. Different than Carter or Clinton. He's earned the benefit of the doubt for the short term.

However, if this budget passes and he SIGNS it, I'll be at the gates of the Bastille with the rest of you.

[randome]

13. Well said!

Most common-sense post of the thread!

[Cooley Hurd]

14. He certainly hasn't been a PERFECT Progressive/Liberal President...

...but I remember 1993-2001. DADT, DOMA, Commodity Futures Modernization Act, Telecommunications Act.

[mick063]

16. Great leaders surround themselves with great people.

Putting a Goldman Sachs guy in your Cabinet tells me all I need to know.

The scene from the Lord of the Rings where the good King is under a spell and an evil "advisor" plants evil suggestions in his ear as the kingdom crumbles.

This is my current perception of America.

[socialist_n_TN]

32. Wormtongue and the King of Rohan.....

Except I see it more as Saruman. Someone who pretends to be working with the good guys, but is actually working with Sauron.

[ruffburr]

18. Disappointed-

Why you ask ? He made a point of not waiting for the Repubs to bargain over the deals to be made he just threw all poor folk and working poor and retired / disabled Off The Bus !!! Still considering the alternatives I would choke it back and feel like i voted for the lesser of two evils, Disappointing What can a guy or gal do ?

[Chan790]

19. My great-grandfather lived to an old and wise age.

Told me never to trust people who speak many words and few truths. I assume half the time that Obama's lying to me; the other half of the time he's saying things that make me regret voting for him.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

21. kick

[treestar]

23. Just saw a claim that we "hate" the progressives

They are the biggest victims because they feel so entitled. They should get their way regardless of Congress or the fact that most voters don't agree with them.

[socialist_n_TN]

35. So most voters WANT cuts to SS benefits?.......

And the actual FACT is that most voters WANT progressive POLICIES. It's been asked and answered over and over. Now you're right about CONGRESS and the rest of the rulers who don't want progressive policies. But the political ruling class is FAR to the right of the people when it comes to policies.

[myrna minx]

55. When did voters give a sweeping mandate to cut SS, an entitlement insurance they've

paid into their whole lives -especially in the case of baby boomer's, more than everyone else due to the correction in the 80's? Isn't it the banksters and the 1% who feel entitled to OUR money? Our money that was raided to fund the Bush tax cuts and two wars that the 1% doesn't want to pay back. Instead the 1% want the the working class and poor to shoulder the burden under the guise of a "shared sacrifice". I don't remember that mandate from the voters. In fact I'm pretty sure the sweeping mandate that the President was given when he was reelected in a landslide was to protect our social safety net from Romney/Ryan cuts.

[TheKentuckian]

25. I don't know the man to love, like, or hate him in a personal fashion but the more I know the less I

find decent and good as a representative of the people and our party.

I find that I can only "trust" him to do something to enable corporations.

Look at his closest people. Look at the horrible ass cabinet. Look how he keeps going for reductions in earned benefits. Sure as hell look at his education deform agenda and fucking Duncan.

Politically, I despise the Turd Way like the death of a loved one.

[tech3149]

27. I don't hate him but am not too terribly dissapointed. It's close to what I expected.

I read an article early on in the 2008 campaign that showed him to be very business friendly, especially finance and very much business/ global economy friendly. These conclusions were reached through reading his books. Also it was shown that he was always very conciliatory toward those with different viewpoints and more than willing to come to a compromise.
I had hoped he was smart enough to learn that you don't try to pet a rabid dog or compromise with those unwilling to do the same.
In that aspect, I am truly disappointed.

[bluestate10]

29. I absolutely think the President is doing the right thing. Life is about trade-offs, I am

sorry that some people apparently don't understand that, but their lack of awareness doesn't change life outcomes.

[cadaverdog]

41. Really? Please explain to me the trade-offs

from stacking the government with Monsanto executives? What do we get for this?

[link:http://redgreenandblue.org/2011/02/09/monsanto-employees-in-the-halls-of-government/
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But just about everything being discussed here and elsewhere is small potatoes compared to the shitstorm that is about to explode in the Trans Pacific Partnership. What? You don't know about this? I'm not surprised, since it is being handled in secrecy. Avoiding calling it a treaty agreement so as to avoid the need for Congressional approval.

https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp


You can't imagine just how bad this could be. NAFTA on steroids...or crack.

[pscot]

52. I'm tired of being told I'm not smart enough

to understand how politics is played. Only a mug would take this president at face value. We're the ones who are being played.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

33. ...

[Lars39]

37. Not enough Grand Master moves to justify scaring old people

about their benefits being cut.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

38. ...

[merrily]

49. OASDI is not only for "old people."

[AnotherMcIntosh]

34. He could have been a great president.

[pscot]

54. He could have been a transformational President

But he lacks the vision. At bottom, he's a technocrat; afraid of real change, he's managing the fall.

[Jamastiene]

36. I changed my vote from deeply disappointed to somewhat annoyed, because

he has done some good in a LOT of other areas. I am deeply disappointed with him on this Social Security issue and the fact that his idea of compromise is meeting the Republicans over halfway right off the bat. I do wish he would stop doing that. Otherwise, he has done some good things, enough to definitely not hate him. I see no need to hate him. I'm just somewhere between deeply disappointed (over the Social Security issue and a couple others) and somewhat annoyed because he gives in too much to the Republicans right off the bat before bargaining a while first.

[nolabear]

39. I'm on the wait and see list.

[merrily]

48. I wondered who checked that.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

43. How about: "As a Kucinich Supporter - I Told You So!!! Neener Neener Neener!!!"

[merrily]

47. "Disagree with Obama's policies" was not an option.

Neither was "I think Obama's policies are too Republican."

I clicked Disappointed.

For me, though, this is about, first and foremost, disagreement with policies, not emotions.

And, if there is any emotion, it is solely the result of disagreement with policies, not something that exists on its own.

[KoKo]

51. Dont answer polls because folks have gotten thrown off here

for answering...

But...yes...it's obvious from my posts here on DU that the Chained CPI as a Bargaining Poker Chip was disappointing.. So...while I won't hit the poll...that's what I've said that anyone can see here on DU.

[graham4anything]

53. Where is the Dainbramaged is 100% correct choice?

[cyberswede]

57. Locking.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't fit the SoP for GD.