Would you support Rand Paul over Hillary Clinton if he ran as a Democrat for President?

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(This poll is 100% irony, btw)

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	Yes
	1 (3%)
	No
	36 (97%)
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[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Are you nutz??? I would NEVER support him, no matter what label he ran under.

[onehandle]

2. Heh.

Clearly.

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[Shrike47]

28. You've summed up my position nicely.

I don't understand how he gets the Dem nomination in this scenario. Have the Triffids taken over?

[VanillaRhapsody]

3. I have a better one that is even remotely possible...

"would you vote for Hillary Clinton if Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders were her VP"?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. That scenario would make me think twice. I might vote for that ticket, either of them. n/t

[VanillaRhapsody]

15. Then it might be good "Democratic Party Ettiquette to withhold judgment until then or at least until

AFTER THE UPCOMING MIDTERMS!!!!!! This constant constant constant worry about Hillary Rodham Clinton's plans are just a distraction....

[CaliforniaPeggy]

17. Hey, why are you yelling at me? I just answered your question...

Of course the midterms are more important. Are we supposed to ignore any and all threads about 2016?

Of course not.

So, easy does it, OK?

[Trajan]

76. He/she is yelling at you ...

Because, in my opinion, that person is not a very nice person, and usually creates negativity and tension in our little happy DU home ...

He/she is not alone ...

The exact opposite of the delightful California Peggy, a well known and established nice person ...

[CaliforniaPeggy]

78. Aw, thank you, my dear Trajan...

That was really nice of you...

[noiretextatique]

80. ditto, Trajan

on all points.

[oneofthe99]

23. She wouldn't choose Berine in a million years

[MADem]

27. He's too old--she did give him money from her old Senate PAC though and helped get him elected. nt

[oneofthe99]

29. They are polar opposites in their belief systems

She or any future President can't have a VP with such a difference in thought on political beliefs.

Hillary is very close to being a moderate republican in a lot of things she supports.

[MADem]

30. They aren't so opposite as some here would like to insist.

That's why she gave him money to help him win.

[oneofthe99]

36. She gave him money maybe because she likes him . He is a likable guy

They are opposite on almost everything.
Bernie is the guy any Democrat in the house or senate can rely on when they have a vote
on anything that has to do with Progressivism .

You need people like that for certain votes , Hillary knows this. Some of her ideas are progressive but then others are very
shall I say Republican.... Bernie is the type Hillary could never has as a VP.........no way

Hell she would but heads enough with Elizabeth as a VP never mind Bernie .

[MADem]

38. No, she gave him twice as much money as she gave to other Senate candidates.

Sure, she likes him, and she wanted him to WIN.

I don't think you know HRC or Sanders as well as you imagine you do.

[oneofthe99]

43. I never claimed to know them personally , I watched them vote

I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you about Hillary.
I don't want to see her as President but if she wins the primary then I'll vote for her of course.

Damn it's not a secret that she is a supporter of Big Banks , the huge pharmaceutical industry and their lobbyists,
NAFTA , the South Korea , Panama , Columbia free trade agreement Obama signed.

This was a huge win for corporations to move even more jobs out of America.
If you want to believe this is creating jobs in America , so be it

[MADem]

48. I'm simply imparting a few facts here.

She gave Sanders and two others DOUBLE what she gave the rest.

That's a matter of public record.

Yet you continue to suggest that there's no convergence between them.

If you want to believe they are adversaries, so be it...

[Scuba]

62. Source?

[MADem]

65. HILLPAC--it's a matter of public record. nt

[Scuba]

66. Source?

[MADem]

67. OPEN SECRETS, and here's something closer to Bernie's "Socialist Worker" bone, to

give you the full flavor of the import of the donation:

http://socialistworker.org/2006-2/610/610_11_BernieSanders.shtml

...Sanders did accept support from national Democrats like Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Barack Obama and Barbara Boxer. He also accepted a large donation from Hillary Clinton's Political Action Committee, HILLPAC, which featured him as one of its most important candidates.

Sanders in turn backed Democrats against third-party alternatives. In the election to fill his House seat, he and his supporters helped dissuade Progressive Party hopeful David Zuckerman from running, and went on to support the Democrat Peter Welch, who eventually won.

Sanders' endorsement of the Democrats no doubt helped him build his war chest of about $5 million, over 80 percent of which came from out of state.

To put an exclamation point on his all-but-declared membership in the Democratic Party, Sanders celebrated his election victory, contrary to his tradition of hosting a separate party, with the Democrats. He has promised to caucus with the Democrats in the Senate, and the media thus takes him for granted as part of the new majority in the Senate....

Her PAC donation was in his top twenty list

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[Scuba]

69. Good enough. Thanks.

[Dirty Socialist]

4. Why Isn't There A

"FUCK NO!" Option???

[sarisataka]

33. This

[3catwoman3]

41. That is certainly the phrase...

...that formed in my mind.

[Snotcicles]

6. Ought to have a jury look at this one. nt

[FarPoint]

7. I also refuse to give him ice water when I see him in hell.

I have a devilish streak...

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. No, but I will hide this thread until after the Midterms.

See you then

Wendy 2014!

[Agnosticsherbet]

9. Pigs will grow wings and fly long before Rand Paul changes parties to Democrat.

I would not support him no matter even if Fox News put a (D) after his name.

[Taitertots]

10. Would you support Zombie Reagan if he ran against Robot Hitler?

[HipChick]

11. I would rather...

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[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

21. Choke?

Or vote for King Joffrey?

[Junkdrawer]

12. That's one wild triangle....

Could be worse. You may have had to start with Chuck Manson...

[bigwillq]

13. No (nt)

[BlueStreak]

14. I'd support that came closer to supporting these 9 principles

Here's how I would rate the two candidates:

Hillary would probably support (at least tepidly) 1, 4, 5, 6 -- total of 4 out of 9.

Paul would probably support 1, 3, 4, and 9 a little. That's about 4 out of 9.

Really, we deserve better than that.

[arely staircase]

45. but only one thinks the civil rights act was a bad thing

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guess which one.

[BlueStreak]

53. And what is not on that list is the quality of SCOTUS appointees

I would trust Hillary to nominate people who are far to the right of Kagan and Sotomayor. Clinton appointees would probably be corporatists. But Paul appointees would be flat out libertarian lunatics. So I'd have to give the edge to Hillary.

The reality is that we probably will not have any practical alternative to Hillary and our real opportunity for progress is to elect her and then work like hell to make sure she feels the heat from the left every day of her Presidency.

[arely staircase]

54. best way to make sure the next democratic president has a progressive agenda

elect a progressive congress

[Scuba]

64. Do you really think Hillary would support #5, even tepidly? That's not what the record says ...

[BlueStreak]

72. I'm trying to give her every possible opportunity to be more desirable than Rand

It should not be close, but it really is.

There are certainly plenty of other differences no listed on these 9 points, but frankly, I side with Rand rather than the DLCers on a few of those.

The point is that we ought to be holding candidates' feet to the fire on the most important issues and not let them just get by with vague rhetoric.

[Jamaal510]

16. Unless he changed all his policies,

I'd rather vote 3rd party. Me voting for motherphuckin' Rand Paul really would be like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.

I'd be a grade A dunce to support somebody who doesn't care about my right (as a minority) to vote, my right to clean air/water, or a livable wage.

[Blue_Tires]

18. If it's between one or the other

Hillary could run as a repub and she would still (grudgingly) have my vote...

[no1uno]

19. speechless

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

20. You need one more vote choice.

Hell no!!!!!

[tridim]

22. It's 2014, not 2016. I'm going to vote for Democrats taking back the House. nt

[Maerzie]

49. Rounding up voters

We'd better ALL round up as many more Democrats as we can, and even offer them rides to the polls, to offset the numbers of people, who don't even understand that they ARE Democrats, who fall for the propaganda and vote AGAINST themselves and their families! . Print up some of the FACTS so they can SEE what's happening, as our democracy is being bought out from under us! It always shocks me how many low income people actually believe they're Teapublicans, and vote FOR the multi-billionaire selfish philosophy! I STILL haven't found ANYBODY who can tell me of ANY legislation the opposition writes and passes, that benefits ANYONE ELSE, besides the super-wealthy people, who make MORE THAN the $250,000 EACH ($500,000 per couple) limits, set BY the Teapublicans, as the dividing line! MOST of the people I know make WAAAAAAY less than that, while still not being thought of, as "poor"!

If we are going to have ANY "balance of power", as intended by our Founding Fathers, we have to get every voting age person out to the polls, so they realize that we definitely CAN still be a government OF, BY, and FOR "the PEOPLE". WE, who don't make that much money every year, ARE the "MAJORITY". No "REAL" Teapublican (the ones with the REAL money) could EVER win ANY political race, IF all voting age people would get to the polls and cast their ballots!

[etherealtruth]

83. Welcome to DU ... I heartily agree

[TwilightGardener]

24. Lightweight dipshit with bad hair.

So, under no circumstances would I vote for him.

[arely staircase]

46. that isn't hair nt

[Paladin]

63. ...who needs a butler, since he's clearly incapable of dressing himself. (nt)

[Historic NY]

25. Whats with the bullshit????

[awoke_in_2003]

26. I will be the first to say...

that Hillary will not be my first choice. But Rand Paul? I would vote for Charles Mansen before I voted for Rand Paul.

[Dawson Leery]

31. Max Baucus would be better than Rand Paul.

[brooklynite]

32. Talk about a waste of time poll...

[baldguy]

34. There are enough people here who parrot Rand Paul & do everything to trash Pres Obama...

[G_j]

70. and wasn't that the real point of the poll

to provide a vehicle for you to accuse DUers of parroting Paul?

[baldguy]

75. So, you agree that the poll is not "pointless".

[Maerzie]

35. Rand Paul??over Hillary

NEVER in a million years! He's still wet behind the ears and living on his Dad's following! Does he even have ONE real opinion of his own?? He only has time to set his hair in pincurls every night anyway! His curls are his "strength"!

[SunSeeker]

39. Welcome to DU, Maerzie.

[Maerzie]

40. Thanks!

Thanks, SunSeeker! I blog everywhere, so you might see my name once in a while in weird places!

[3catwoman3]

42. We can call hime...

...Spoolie.

[Iggo]

37. 100% flamebait, you mean.

[arely staircase]

44. not no, but

HELL NO!

If that racist fuck gets the GOP nomination I will work twice as hard for HRC.

[Maedhros]

47. If he won in the primary, I'd have no choice but to vote for him.

Because the Republican alternative would be so much worse!

[Maerzie]

51. Rand Paul is No DEMOCRAT!!

Rand Paul could NEVER run as a Democrat! He is the opposite of "Democrat"! Are you saying that no Democrat , at all, will run for president?? There is ALWAYS a "CHOICE"! Even if ZERO Democrat is on the ballot for some office, it's better to SKIP that vote COMPLETELY, and leave it blank, than to zero out another's Democrat vote, by voting FOR some Teapublican! Or, write in SOME name, so nobody else can fill in the Republican X! I have been using paper ballots the last few elections again, since I found out how easily some computer geek can "jimmy" the voting machines. Also, the machines are only as good as they're programmed. They can be "FIXED" so that the vote goes to the OPPOSITE candidate!

So, until the voting machines get changed, so they are infallible, I won't be trusting them again! Even on the paper ballot, I always take my own ballpoint pen into the booth, so my vote can't be changed. If I leave something blank, I also ink, next to the square, in parentheses, &quot left blank)", or, &quot left blank on purpose)"! Mysterious "HOLES" in ballot bags, as happened in Wisconsin, is a problem I haven't figured out how to remedy, YET! But, be assured, if there is a WAY for crookedness to be easy, there are those few low class CROOKS, who WILL try to cheat!

[TBF]

58. The OP was not being serious.

No one on this website thinks that Rand Paul is a democrat. The writer was mocking the fact that certain democrats will support any actions of a democrat even if they are arguably bad.

Welcome to DU.

[arely staircase]

55. what? nt

[frylock]

56. i see what you did there

[treestar]

60. True

He'd have to be singing a different tune before he would win, though.

[jmowreader]

50. The great Samuel L. Jackson put it best...

Really? When his daddy gets to the Pearly Gates, Saint Peter is going to say, "you don't get in because you love selfishness and greed. In fact, you love them so much you named your son after Ayn Fucking Rand. Normally we are gracious and kind when rejecting someone for their faults on earth, but you're different: get your ass out of here right now."

[Warren DeMontague]

52. Would that fucking creature he carries around on his head be his running mate?

[oldandhappy]

57. Very silly

The serious side is that we need to take back the House. Our local Dem group is working hard to help flip one district in 2014 and a second one in 2016.

Please volunteer to be a precinct worker where you live. thanks.

[TBF]

59. You forgot the kitten option -

seriously, bad poll!!!

[99Forever]

61. How about a ...

.. neither option?

Irony?

Nope.

False dilemma fallacy.

Precisely.

[ozone_man]

77. Perhaps you missed the write in option for Bernie Sanders?

If I designed the poll anyway.

[99Forever]

79. That'll will likely be my actual vote...

... in 2016 if the choices are HRC and some random Republiturd. That or write in Warren.

[spanone]

68. 2 yes votes?

[stevenleser]

73. Yes, I feel like saying to those folks, "You know we can see you, right?"

[LuvNewcastle]

71. I wouldn't support him as he is now.

If we're going to deal with hypothetical situations, I suppose we could imagine a Progressive Rand Paul who believes in the same things Bernie Sanders believes. In that case, yes, I would support him. But if he was still a RW Libertarian running as a Democrat, there's no way in hell I'd vote for him. However, I wouldn't vote for Hillary either. If the choice was between those two, I'd look for another candidate.

[mylye2222]

74. Of course no. Even if I am far to be an Hillary lover!

If I were a US citizen, even if it's clear that I don't appreciate Hillary personnaly, the best priority would not be my personal opinion of a candidate, but the sanity and safety and my contry. And try to keep it away from RW destructive policies and therefore the safeguarding of common well being is that priority.

[Niceguy1]

81. we need someone

That can actually win, like Clinton. Feel good candidates will give the white house to the republicans

[WinkyDink]

82. Puh-leeze.

[LWolf]

84. I'll support my australian shepherd

over HRC if she decides to run as a Democrat, which is a more likely scenario than yours.

[DefenseLawyer]

86. Can I vote for his toupee?

As long as Joe Biden gets to wear it?