Are there deep red states that would secede if given a vote?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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[FarPoint]

1. They are all just talk...

Talk is cheap...we all know they can't walk the walk.

[CanonRay]

12. But are they smart enough to know that?

[FarPoint]

22. They may be smart enough...

Yet, credit goes to the propaganda strategy using religion along with 24/7 TV and radio lies.

[NYC_SKP]

2. Why not just ask if any state would secede?

FWIW, I was pulling for Scotland to vote for independence; I oppose corporate globalization schemes like the EU and NAFTA and would have welcomed a return to sovereignty and independence for Scotland, Ireland, too.

I have friends in Hawaii and Alaska who wish they would become independent, one state is blue and the other red.

Of course, no state is all red or all blue, that's just divisive.

Not sure why you're asking.

[Spider Jerusalem]

6. An independent Scotland would have sought EU membership.

So that basis of support for Scottish independence is fundamentally schizophrenic.

[NYC_SKP]

9. Two different things.

Mention of the EU and NAFTA were used to make my point of support for independence, not to suggest that it was their point.

They had other reasons, political and cultural reasons, that didn't require leaving the EU.

[Spider Jerusalem]

15. It kind of obviates your point, actually.

[MineralMan]

3. No, most likely.

There are people in those red states, of course, who would vote for such a thing, but I doubt very much that they could get a majority vote. In any case, there's no mechanism for it that exists anyhow, so the question is really moot. Any secession would basically have to get passed the Congress, and even then, I don't believe there is any constitutional basis for it. There is a method for adding new states and for changing state boundaries, but not for a state to pull out of the country.

There will not be any such move initiated in any serious way, anyhow.

[BlueJazz]

4. They most certainly would until the fact was presented to them that a share of their income...

...is derived from the blue states.

Either that or they'd be screaming to join the Union again within 6 months.

[yeoman6987]

10. A few could

North Dakota, Texas, Idaho maybe. But most couldn't.

[merrily]

5. Depends on whether they get Blue States to continue subsidizing them.

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Please don't ask me to assess whether they are capable of getting facts.

It may depend on what FOX tells them.

[TreasonousBastard]

7. Didn't they try that once?

[former9thward]

13. No, there was no vote in the Civil War.

[n2doc]

17. Well, technically the legislatures of the seceding states did vote

But the people weren't asked.

I would say no state would leave, patriotism is too strong. But I would not be surprised if 30% in a particular state, like Texas or South Carolina, did vote to leave.

[Al Carroll]

18. It was actually special conventions

And Unionists were intimidated with enormous violence, quite a few murders. There was only one very corrupt referendum, in TX. But your point remains. It wasn't done democratically.

[world wide wally]

8. They could never survive on their own

Kind of like a spoiled child....see Graham, Lindsey

[etherealtruth]

11. Ironically, they receive far more $$$ from the feds than they "give"

If they understand the financial/ economic implications .... they would not

[wandy]

14. Yes, if they were told to..............

Take the most impoverished red state you can think of. A state where they receive two dollars in aid for every dollar paid in.
Poor schools, polluted water, low wages and so forth.
Now, start a Koch funded PR campaign. Run it 24/7 on the TV telling how much better independence will make it. The bravery and honer of the founding farmers, freedumb and all that. Speaking tours by Rush Limbaugh and experts brought in by Fox mews speaking at the county fairs. Give every preacher a script about those sinful liberals.
D.C Gubberment bad, local government Good!
Brainwash, rinse and repeat.

Heck a good snake oil sails man (Rick Perry comes to mind) will have them chomping at the bit in six months.
Keep in mind these people have a history of voting against their interests. A history of being told how to think.
That red stat is impoverished for a reason.

[mb999]

16. Maybe we should let one bagger state secede.

. the neoconfederates, neonazis, theocrats, and galt wannabes will be attracted to it like flies to fecal matter. it can be an unofficial insane asylum. then let them run own third world country so the US can finally progress into a first rate country.

[Comrade Grumpy]

19. What about blue states? Long live Cascadia!

[jwirr]

20. I voted no. But i think there are on or two southern states that would like to. In most states it is

a few people who are loudest who insist they want to secede and that often includes their politicians.

[KinMd]

21. I would be in favor of a border fence

...if any of them seceded. If you want out..stay out!

[BillZBubb]

23. I would like to see some go. But, I doubt any would actually do it.

The business/money interests in the red states would stop it from happening. Texas would be one of the few that might be crazy enough to try it.

[Zambero]

24. Possibly, but they would beg to rejoin within a couple of years

The deep south dark red states such as Mississippi and Alabama, who get $3 from the feds for every $1 paid out in taxes. When infrastructure crumbles, extreme deregulation kicks in with ugly consequences, and social need escalates to social unrest, they'd be eagerly scheduling a "reconsideration" vote.

[Iggo]

25. Oh, I'm sure they'd vote YES on secession...

...but I'm also sure they know Civil War II would be short and not-so-sweet.

[Louisiana1976]

26. I'm for all blue states seceding and forming a union with Canada. We'd get single payer.

[Rowdyboy]

27. In 2011 Mississippi, buckle of the bible-belt, easily beat back a "personhood"

amendment. Even though the state remains adamantly anti-abortion. They maybe arch conservatives but they aren't insane.