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Algernon Moncrieff

(5,958 posts)
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 01:47 AM Feb 2016

How long do you think that Jeb! hangs on?

Rand, Rick, and Huck are all gone...when does Jeb! fold, barring an unexpectedly strong showing?


19 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
After New Hampshire
4 (21%)
After South Carolina
1 (5%)
After Super Tuesday
4 (21%)
He'll hang on all the way and hope for a brokered convention.
10 (53%)
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How long do you think that Jeb! hangs on? (Original Post) Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2016 OP
Jebs done but his family intends to coronate him anyway 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #1
Seems so....nt 2naSalit Feb 2016 #2
I really think he may drop out this weekend Yupster Feb 2016 #3
He might Warpy Feb 2016 #6
I agree...Jeb is over...and so is his last name.. Stuart G Feb 2016 #7
The "please clap" video looks really bad Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2016 #9
Really? I enjoyed it immensely. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #27
I didn't say it wasn't hilarious Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2016 #32
If Jeb! wins, I'll petition for Westward Ho! to officially lose its !. mwooldri Feb 2016 #4
One of the nearby towns tried that trick a while back. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #29
Stepping back is good. This primary is like a FISH-EYE lens in a milling group. Festivito Feb 2016 #5
right until the end Amishman Feb 2016 #8
Jeb wants to see what happens when either Cruz or Trump drops out. FLPanhandle Feb 2016 #10
He should know we're way past that Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2016 #33
He hates Rubio with an absolute passion. Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #11
That's certainly what "Right to Rise" was doing in Iowa Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2016 #12
his slogan "right to rise" just mystifies me. do you know what the hell it means? CTyankee Feb 2016 #16
It means the Political Right is going to Rise. Iggo Feb 2016 #18
um, that is not too clear... CTyankee Feb 2016 #19
It does kind of sound like a commercial for an ED medication (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #21
I'm glad I'm not the only one with a dirty mind... CTyankee Feb 2016 #22
I was thinking bread or rolls or biscuits … but I love bread … :D littlewolf Feb 2016 #34
Nothing about Jeb's campaign makes sense. Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2016 #25
Until mommy says is's ok to quit lame54 Feb 2016 #13
I remember way back before the primary that put GWB in. RichGirl Feb 2016 #14
When GWB became Governor, I figured he'd be the next President Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2016 #15
Bush will win the nomination because the rest are too crazy and unelectable. L. Coyote Feb 2016 #17
he'll be around through 2020. It's a dynastic thing. librechik Feb 2016 #20
They're grooming george pee bush to take over after 2020! yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2016 #23
I go on the record..Sat afternoon, 2/6/15..this Sat.. Jeb withdraws .. Stuart G Feb 2016 #24
Not a bad thought Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2016 #26
I didn't know he was still running. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #28
I'm not counting him out until Congress certifies the election results. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #30
No reason to fold...What else is he gonna do? metroins Feb 2016 #31
"Clap if you believe..." Donkees Feb 2016 #35
As long as the money holds out. nt truebluegreen Feb 2016 #36
If he finishes top 3 in NH, he'll hang on for a little while. Renew Deal Feb 2016 #37
I have never seen someone so in denial in my life. smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #38
He SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PULL THE PLUG... JCMach1 Feb 2016 #39
The BFEE never loses! zappaman Feb 2016 #40
George W. Bush to Appear in Ad Supporting Brother IDemo Feb 2016 #41

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
3. I really think he may drop out this weekend
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:06 AM
Feb 2016

Why suffer another embarrassment if his poll numbers are still less than 5 %.

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
6. He might
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:30 AM
Feb 2016

if he can launder enough of that Super PAC money to make it worth his while. Even if he drops out, he can still benefit if there is a brokered convention. The question is whether even Republicans want Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and the rest of that cast of characters back for high oil prices and endless war.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,958 posts)
9. The "please clap" video looks really bad
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:27 AM
Feb 2016

And it's clear that they are in no mood to elect anyone sane.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,958 posts)
32. I didn't say it wasn't hilarious
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:21 PM
Feb 2016

...but as a one-time Political Scientist, I think the technical term for that was "trainwreck."

mwooldri

(10,429 posts)
4. If Jeb! wins, I'll petition for Westward Ho! to officially lose its !.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:19 AM
Feb 2016

Westward Ho! - a Cornish seaside village and the only one in the UK to have a ! as part of its official postal name. Should be twinned with Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!, Quebec IMO. Then.... Nelson from The Simpsons will have the perfect phrase for when he suspends his campaign...

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
29. One of the nearby towns tried that trick a while back.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

I don't know if they still officially have the exclamation point, but people mocked them mercilessly after they first added it.

Festivito

(13,596 posts)
5. Stepping back is good. This primary is like a FISH-EYE lens in a milling group.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:45 AM
Feb 2016

As each person centers big in the lens their flaws become clear and the public moves on to someone else.

The best thing is to be the last one big in the lens when public is too tired to care about the flaws.

What else does he have to do? Wait it out. See if you get lucky.

Amishman

(5,832 posts)
8. right until the end
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:02 AM
Feb 2016

he has bought into the words of the Yes Men that surround him. He simply can't wrap his head around his rejection by the public

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
10. Jeb wants to see what happens when either Cruz or Trump drops out.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:34 AM
Feb 2016

He is hoping for backlash against the hyper crazy candidates to the moderately crazy candidate.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,958 posts)
33. He should know we're way past that
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:32 PM
Feb 2016

A year ago, this race was cast as Jeb! vs. Rand with Cruz, Christie, and Rubio as also-rans. No one figured it was going to be Cruz and Trump. The "sanity" wing of the GOP is now scrambling to support Rubio as their best hope.

The best case scenario now for Jeb is veep. I don't even think that is going to happen.

If they go with Trump, I think his Veep is Susanna Martinez

If they go with Cruz, it's anyone's guess -- maybe Jeb! to try to solidify Florida, but I think not. Maybe Joni Ernst. Maybe Nebraska Governor Pete Ricketts to try to lure more PAC money his way. Maybe Scott Walker or John Kasich to pick off a swing state.

If they go with Rubio, Jeb! would be a good fit for Veep because they'll need someone with Gravitas. But my understanding is they dislike one another. If she'd do it, Condi Rice would probably be the way for him to go.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
11. He hates Rubio with an absolute passion.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:36 AM
Feb 2016

If anything, he will spend all his remaining campaign funds on attack ads on Rubio, then drop out.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,958 posts)
12. That's certainly what "Right to Rise" was doing in Iowa
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:45 AM
Feb 2016

Rubio portrayed as a twisting weather vane. Bush portrayed as a rolling train. It was odd, really.

The punditry acts like Rubio's finish was some kind of mystery. It's easy - he dropped a lot of TV money in the last 3 weeks (so did Carson, Cruz, & Trump -- in about that order) (Oh -- and so did Sanders. I could go a lifetime before I'll want to hear "I've Come to Look for America" again). (Did I mention how happy I am that Iowa is done? Television is much more watchable.)

CTyankee

(65,282 posts)
16. his slogan "right to rise" just mystifies me. do you know what the hell it means?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:24 AM
Feb 2016

sometimes I think it is faintly sexual. what rises? what right? where do we rise to?

I think it means we have a right to rise from lower to middle class and further up the ladder. Is that it?

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,958 posts)
25. Nothing about Jeb's campaign makes sense.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:07 PM
Feb 2016

It's like they dusted off a bunch of crap from a Florida gubernatorial run, and said to themselves "this oughtta work!" His whole strategy has been poorly thought through.

Here is a link to the ad I was talking about:



Yes -- the "right to rise" theme is supposed to mean we're being held back by current policies. In reality it means more of the same -- lower taxes on the wealthy and deregulate businesses.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
14. I remember way back before the primary that put GWB in.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:49 AM
Feb 2016

When he was asked if he was going to run for president, he would consistently and adamantly insist that he had no desire to run. (Texas primarily run by legislature, so being Governor was like a part-time job.) Then...wham bam...one day he announces he's running. There is an evil machine in the republican party that wants a candidate they can manipulate. Now they are pushing for Jeb when it's very clear, he does not want the job .

The evil machine lead by Cheney.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,958 posts)
15. When GWB became Governor, I figured he'd be the next President
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016

Remember, he ran as a moderate and aisle-crosser. Many voters figured he'd be his dad with a Texas accent.

To your point: that's why the powers hat be over there want Rubio. Cruz is a jerk (ask any Senator of either party)and Trump is a loose cannon. Rubio will play ball.

L. Coyote

(51,134 posts)
17. Bush will win the nomination because the rest are too crazy and unelectable.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:33 AM
Feb 2016

The problem is the Republican voters have been sooo deluded, they will pick a moronic Canadian fundamentalist demagogue over a narcissistic American egomaniac because religion or something. Political decisions are being de-rationalized, reduced to one or two emotions, fear and hate. But, when the real primaries roll around, where will the supporters of those dropping out land? If they wanted Trump or Cruz, they'd already be in those camps. They will become Bush supporters because no Mitt. Watch the mainstream Republicans coalesce and watch the under-expectation game George played play out all over again.

But hey, what do I know? Certainly not the future!

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
24. I go on the record..Sat afternoon, 2/6/15..this Sat.. Jeb withdraws ..
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 12:13 PM
Feb 2016

Sat afternoon, very slow news day/time. Especially day before Superbowl..many will not notice..or care..

Yikes...that is two days away...now...I could be wrong, and have been many times. But I will go out on a limb and take a shot at this one...: bounce:

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,958 posts)
26. Not a bad thought
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:10 PM
Feb 2016

I originally figured Super Tuesday, but the "please clap" video is really bad. Your timing theory makes perfect sense.

JCMach1

(28,144 posts)
39. He SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PULL THE PLUG...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:36 PM
Feb 2016

He should be forced to live that Karma until the Convention.

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