Should the Cincinnati Zoo fix the Gorilla Enclosure to prevent access from Zoo guests?

[trumad]

10 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	No because Mothers should watch their kids more closely
	0 (0%)
	Yes because it's----er----common sense
	8 (80%)
	No because there hasn't been an incident in 38 years
	0 (0%)
	No because if we say yes we have to admit the Zoo was at fault
	0 (0%)
	No because then they'll have to build a wall around the Grand Canyon
	1 (10%)
	No because they'll have to drain the San Fran Bay and line it with foam.
	0 (0%)
	No because it's so much fun to blame the Mom rather than the Dad
	1 (10%)
	No because if we do other Zoo's will have to make enclosures safer.
	0 (0%)
	No because we can tell other 4 year olds throughout the world this tale and they will learn from it.
	0 (0%)
	No because I've been drinking heavily the last two days and am confused with how to answer
	0 (0%)
	0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[Dr Hobbitstein]

1. So. Much. Beer.

Don't know how to respond.

[Bucky]

2. They should install ladders so gorillas can safely return fallen toddlers.

And there should be several ladders installed all along the gorilla enclosure, cause you never know where a baby is gonna drop in from. And now that I think about it, maybe hang a few apples and bananas at the top of the ladders to reward the gorillas for child rescue efforts. Perhaps they'll learn something about fair exchange transactions and develop their own economic models.

[trumad]

6. LOL

[yardwork]

11. Works for me. Where do I donate to the banana fund?

[Bucky]

18. Bananas?!

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[GOLGO 13]

3. Gorillas dont impress me. Now Monkeys are what the cool kids are into.

[One_Life_To_Give]

4. Define Prevent Access

Does that include a Suicidal former Marine? A group of 10 yr olds given 4 hrs to attempt to breach? What possible tools might we consider that may be left in an accessible place for a few minutes in a decade?

[trumad]

7. I'm just saying fix the hole.

[One_Life_To_Give]

9. What hole is this?

Forgive me I do not have detailed drawings of just what this "Hole" is.

[trumad]

12. Ok...the passage way through the barrier.

Better?

[mnhtnbb]

13. See the drawing--it was a 3 foot barrier--not high enough for an energetic 4 yo male.

An average 4-year-old weighs about 40 pounds and is about 40 inches tall.

[One_Life_To_Give]

14. Couldn't find a reference to using Bushes as a Railing

The fence met building code 30 yrs ago. Appears to me the bushes were intended to slow down anyone who had crossed the fence from being able to quickly get to the edge and fall in. Be interested to know if OSHA requires a Harness on anyone working on the exhibit side of the fence? Also just how long it took the 4yr old to get thru the Bushes and did any of the adults if any in the area recognize how unsafe that situation could be?

Seems to me if it was a 3ft rail next to a 15 ft drop people may have been quicker to recognize the risk. Would replacing the Fence with a modern 42in solve the problem of just delay the next event?

on edit: Spelling

[pnwmom]

16. The roots of the bushes would also have helped keep the soil stable. n/t

[pnwmom]

15. And a couple of reports said he slipped UNDER the rail. What we do know

is that he succeeded. The barrier(s) weren't effective.

[One_Life_To_Give]

17. Did people understand their role though?

The rail didn't keep the child out of the hazard. However I am not sure we all recognize our own role in responding to the situation once the rail had been crossed. At that point there was nothing between the child and the edge except for a time delay. I contend the function of the bushes was to give adults time enough to react to a child on the other side of the rail.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

5. Pass

A zoo is a prison for animals that probably shouldn't be there. Most of them should be closed.

But that won't happen. Failing to improve the enclosure could (justly) be interpreted as negligent on the part of the zoo's operator. Money will be spent, insurance costs will rise, admission prices will increase, 1%ers will get paid, the public will lose and animals will die.

[bigwillq]

8. Yes (nt)

[Gormy Cuss]

10. Plexiglass, 6 ft high. n/t