White privilege is real. Problem is a lot of poor whites will never

[arely staircase]

agree simply because it is hard to feel privileged when your life fucking sucks because you are poor. And the fact is among whites some are more likely to get pulled over than others. Shit for one thing poor whites are more likely to be giving probable cause with a broken light or expired tag than rich or moddle.class ones. Blacks are dispraportionately pulled over. I haven't seen stats but I doubt police stops are equal across all income levels of whites.

I can assure you that some poor whites who think (wrongly) Black Lives Matter is an exclusionary statement do so because their lives are chractarized by such a lack of privilege.

[Throd]

1. In my all white area, certain white people get pulled over a lot more than others.

[gollygee]

2. Wealth privilege is also a big thing in this country

And class privilege, which is related but not quite the same.

People who have one kind of privilege but don't have others can hopefully learn about different kinds of privilege and how they work and intersect.

[arely staircase]

3. I get that. You get it. But frankly its all a bit too undergrad sociology class

to get working class whites to buy into. It seems to me that pointing out the immense privilege enjoyed by the wealthy and how they exploit workers rather than convinvincing working class.whites of their undoubtebly real but likely so small as to be personally unoticeable on said whit guys part. You tell him blacks get beat up.by cops he is gonna show you where the sheriff knocked his tooth out."But it is statistically more likely to happen to a black guy," is probably something he will not find compelling.

[gollygee]

4. That doesn't make it less true.

Everything doesn't have to be done in the way that is most comfortable for white people.

[arely staircase]

5. I.didnt say it shouldn't be discussed. It should and I know it is real.

I am just saying calling a poor person privileged isn't the best place to start a meaningful conversation with them And I am not suggesting it shouldn't be discussed in the broader society or reserved for sociology class. So yeah it is real, but the same point could probably be made better by saying the rich fuck everyone with their privilige. As much as your life sucks blacks have it worse will cause them to tune you out.

Amd isn't comfort but best way to communicate is what I am on about here.

[REP]

6. Life is an unending hard grind when you're poor.

Being poor and black makes it even worse.

When I was poor and drove an old and crappy (but legal) car, I'd get pulled over for nothing, including once for having a messy car. If I'd been poor, driving a properly registered and insured old car, and black, there's a good chance I would've been arrested and/or fined. I'm sure my whiteness spared me more than inconvenience.

'Privilege,' as some discussions have raised, may not be the best word but I think we all know what is meant, just like we all know "transphobia" doesn't mean "fear of change." Whatever is difficult in my life as a disabled white woman would be even worse if I were a disabled Black woman. It takes nothing from me to acknowledge this.

[arely staircase]

9. It is right for you to acknowlegde your own privilege.

It is how we point out the privilege of others, especially when they are poor, can be unproductive. Not the concept but the word "privilege."

[bdwker]

7. I hate white privilege.

[arely staircase]

8. Me too. Problem is that it often manifests itself in a lack of

misfortune rather than positive fortune. Not ever having your kid shot by the cops for having a toy gun isnt a blessings most white people get up and count.

[melman]

15. Especially if those people *have* had their kid shot by the cops

Dylan Noble's parents are probably not feeling very privileged right now. Why would they?

[WestCoastLib]

10. This is true

I'm not sure that truth matters much anymore though.

The odds of educating somebody that lacks education are slim. And when you are dealing with the impoverished in this country, that's what you are trying to do.

[arely staircase]

11. Not a good year for reality nt

[WestCoastLib]

12. probably no coincidence that's it the year of commercial VR

[bhikkhu]

13. Being generally poor and white when younger, I had my share of problems

A lot of the time I drove junky cars, often uninsured because I couldn't afford it, and sometimes late getting the registration renewed. I got a few warnings and a few tickets, though I was always able to go to court and get them reduced. For years I had the habit of watching in my rearview mirror and my heart would pound if there was a police car anywhere near behind me - I'd turn or pull into a parking lot as soon as possible and hope he didn't follow me.

The worst thing that happened was really stupid on my part - I was driving a car without registration or insurance, with an out of state driver's license, and it had been stolen once and the report never cleared. One rainy night I was driving home from a friend's and a police car came the opposite direction. In my rearview mirror I saw him brake and do a u-turn behind me to come back my way. I immediately pulled into an apartment complex and parked, wandered around a few minutes and didn't see anything going on...walked back to my car and opened the door. Before I could get in three cop cars lit up and one screamed forward to block me in, all guns drawn and yelling for me to get on the ground. Which I did. Cuffed in the back of a car I explained things, and the officer went to my car and got the sales package to verify my story. After some time on the radio they apologized and let me go, saying I'd better get my paperwork straightened out.

Needless to say, I have no idea how I got off there so easy, and I doubt anyone who didn't look like a basic harmless white kid would have avoided a hefty fine and an impounded car.

[arely staircase]

14. lol. nt