2020 Mark Zuckerberg or Bernie Sanders?

[fun n serious]

Who would you vote for in the primary if your only choices were Mark Zuckerberg or Bernie Sanders?

23 votes, 10 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Mark Zuckerberg
	10 (43%)
	Bernie Sanders
	13 (57%)
	10 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[nini]

1. Depends on knowing all zuckerberg stands for

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[fun n serious]

3. I'm very interested in hearing his positions.

One good thing is he would likely pay for his campaign with no donors.

[Tom Rinaldo]

13. I don't want a Republic where we turn to Billionaires for leaders

Self funding? That was Trump's line. I would rather find leaders who count on the support of millions of small donors in order to be politically viable.

And I'm not voting in his poll. I am very open to developing new leaders. However fabulous wealth will never vault anyone to the top of my list. I find the entire concept of Democrats giving credence to the possible candidacy of a man whose views we barely know because he did so well in business to be depressing.

[Jake Stern]

29. Hmmmm. . .

An outsider with no political experience whose only apparent strengths are being a successful businessman and epic asshole.

Now where have I seen that before?

[RazBerryBeret]

34. Exactly...n/t

[nini]

60. You don't see a diifference between Trump and MZ?

Really?

[MuseRider]

40. Good answer.

I wholly agree.

Has Bernie said he was running again? I sure have not heard that but I sure hear a lot about people saying they will not vote for him here. Perhaps there is a reason to post these ideas?

[Me.]

65. Like 45 Was Going To Pay For His?

These billionaires don't like to use their own money.

[WePurrsevere]

10. If Zuckerberg decides to run as a Democrat...

I'd be willing to listen to his positions and what ideas he has for our future. I won't say which of those two I'd vote for until I know that.

[fun n serious]

15. That sounds fair.

[hrmjustin]

2. Neither!

Someone different.

[MANative]

4. Nope, just... nope. nt

[Cattledog]

5. Zuckerberg is a POS

[fun n serious]

7. It looks like he is setting himself up for a run...

IF the ONLY choice was him or Bernie, I would pick Zuckerberg.

[choie]

46. Jeesus you despise Bernie

so much that you'd prefer to vote for somebody whose positions you know nothing about? I swear the anti-Bernie crap on this site has become absolutely ludicrous. and people talk about Clinton derangement syndrome?

[NunnesBuznat]

56. Policy doesn't change who people are on a personal level

Some people see Bernie as a cantankerous old social-war profiteer riding on the back of republican talking points. Your post raises a fair point, but you lose much credibility by mentioning HRC, thus appearing as someone that still has a chip on their shoulders about the primaries. Bernie is a political figure right now, Hillary is not.

Personally I would vote for him over a douchebag that created digital crystal meth and paved the way for a dystopian age of interpersonal relationships like Zuckerberg. Also he, like the owner of Twitter, does not seem to understand or care that their platforms are destabilizing the world and literally getting people killed (albeit indirectly). Without Twitter Trump wouldn't even be a thing.

[choie]

58. Thank you for your concern

about my credibility - that chip on the shoulders rests squarely with Clinton supporters - Clinton derangement syndrome is real, as is, apparently, Bernie derangement syndrome. Perhaps you don't understand the syndromes...if not, do some homework..

[NunnesBuznat]

64. Syndrome is a medical term to describe a group of anomalies that consistently appear together

and noun+derangement would imply that supporting that politician is part of a natural order. So perhaps I don't understand?

[choie]

81. uh..yeah, you don't

Clinton Derangement syndrome is the name of a malady suffered my numerous Republicans (and probably some Democrats) who see the Clintons as the symbol for all that is corrupt and evil in politics. Consequently, Bernie Derangement syndrome is the name of a malady suffered by numerous Democrats (especially on this board) who see Sanders as the anti-Christ...Same malady, different target.

[Docreed2003]

6. Given a choice between the two I'd say MZ

I'd rather have neither. I was a HUGE Bernie supporter in the primaries but I don't think I could bring the same level of support in 2020...first, I realize Bernie will always be Bernie but I can't stand his constant criticism of Democrats while holding a position within the DNC as an Independent, it's become tiresome. Not to mention the fact that in 2020, I would have serious reservations about nominating him due to health issues...I'm not being an ass here, just look at how much the Presidency aged President Obama!

As for Zuckerberg, I think there are some big positives, but, frankly, I don't know enough about his positions to put a full throated support behind him. I'm wary of supporting a businessman who has zero experience.

[fun n serious]

8. I agree with you.

I think he would be similar to Emmanuel Macron. I like Macron and if there was no other choice I would vote for MZ.

[lostnfound]

25. He announced he was having a fundraiser for Chris Christie.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/01/mark-zuckerberg-secret-republican/319121/

I suspect he is in-between, and too much of an opportunist to have the kind of character and compassion that I want to see in senior politicians.

[Docreed2003]

27. And that's what we need to know...

Like I said, MZ seems to be a left leaning guy, but we don't have enough information on him to know where he really stands.

[Cha]

9. Yeah, how is Mark on Pro Choice and Women's Issues and

knowing how important Diversity is and Gay Rights.. not calling them "identity politics"?

[panader0]

11. Neither

Bernie will be too old and too many Dems dislike him.
Zuckerberg is just too rich to have the right perspective.

[Lithos]

66. Agreed

Bernie is going to have too high of a negative factor (ironically the same as Hillary), and Zuckerberg is two faced and untrustable - the same issue I have with Facebook which fails to follow up on their corporate responsibility.

L-

[NurseJackie]

12. I chose Zuckerberg ... but I'm assuming he's an actual Democrat, right?

I mean... this isn't some "ha-ha gotcha" poll where I end up choosing between two non-Democrats, and the joke's on me... is it?

[fun n serious]

16. He donated to an organization that helps Planned parenthood...

[NurseJackie]

19. I'd be happy with ANY candidate who didn't spend half his/her time trashing Democrats or the Party.

[fun n serious]

20. Me too!!

[redstatebluegirl]

72. Me Three!

[fun n serious]

18. This is only if he were the only choice other than BS.

[Docreed2003]

28. That's the thing Jackie...

We just don't know...we have no idea what MZ thinks about any of the pertinent issues, other than some public statements that tend to lean left. Personally, I'm not enthused about supporting a businessman with no political experience...I mean, it worked out so well this past fall, right?

[NurseJackie]

33. I wouldn't be enthused about supporting a career politician who trashes Democrats either, so it's...

... a bit of a mixed bag, right?

we have no idea what MZ thinks about any of the pertinent issues, other than some public statements that tend to lean left.

In this alternate reality poll, Zuckerberg will likely have let people know in great detail where he stands on "any of the pertinent issues". Based on the choices given here, it's easy for me to imagine that Zuckerberg has a much more positive and realistic and practical outlook.

I've seen videos of him speaking, and he appears to be very eloquent and able to express himself without resorting to aggressive gestures and tones... that's also something about him that would appeal to me very much. Zuckerberg has a calm demeanor and he seems to be very respectful of others. In my opinion, that would be an important quality for Zuckerberg (or any candidate) to have when dealing with leaders and diplomats from other nations.

I'm not enthused about supporting a businessman with no political experience...I mean, it worked out so well this past fall, right?

What are you saying? Does this mean that you're suggesting Zuckerberg is as bad as Trump?

[Docreed2003]

35. Oh, just to be clear, in this alt reality, we're on the same page...

As for sanders, see my post upthread. For MZ, I agree with what you said, but I'd like to hear more substance to his political beliefs. I don't think he's like Trump, what I worry about is a businessman with no idea about how to run government and no clue how to staff the executive branch, as taught to us by Trump!!

[NurseJackie]

41. :-)

[Docreed2003]

42. ;-)

Keep on being you Jackie!!

[lapucelle]

14. I think billionaire celebrity opportunists

who want to become politically engaged by running for the highest office as their first step should be eyed with suspicion.

[fun n serious]

17. Yes. That is completely fair,

Especially in this climate but given the choice between a billionaire we know little about and Bernie.. I choose MZ.

[Calculating]

21. Fuck Zuckerberg

Stealing ideas from people and then giving them a large payout. Not exactly what we need in terms of presidential material. Can we STOP relying on the uber rich to govern us? That would be a good step towards getting out of our current mess.

What the hell has Zuckerberg even done to benefit society? Create facebook which costs us billions of man-hours in lost productivity?

[Sculpin Beauregard]

74. Vote for the ubergeek WhizKid that allowed Facebook to be Data-mined and

Used to help elect the Orange Menace? No, no fucking thanks, no way, fuck that.

I would never vote for someone who didn't have a track record of public service. No more 'business' people. Nope, no thanks.

PS: fuck Facebook. 4 years free of it and doing just fine. Fuck them. They are a data mining company, don't kid yourself. Plus, studies show people are happier when they don't go on Facebook.

Do your privacy and your mental health a favour and give facefart a pass.

[lostnfound]

22. Zuckerberg seems the opposite of an "old soul"

He might turn out okay in a few more lives.
Wisdom takes time.

[Jake Stern]

23. Bernie

Two reasons:

1. I find myself agreeing more than disagreeing with Bernie plus he has actual experience in government and has proven he can run a successful campaign for office.

2. Zuckerberg's douchey older brother vibe is a real turn off. That counts for me. He reminds me of my real life brother to whom I haven't spoken in over 5 years. Would toss you aside in a heartbeat, doesn't seem to have left the frat behind and simply can't resist the temptation to rub his success in your face.

Sorry but I'll take grouchy tells-it-like-he-sees-it uncle any day.

[AngryAmish]

24. There is something deeply sinister about Zuckerberg running for office

Facebook and Google know everything about everyone. Creepy.

[jrthin]

26. NEITHER!!!!!!!!n/t

[RazBerryBeret]

30. We totally need another Leader

who has no experience in the Government.
Cause it's working out so well now.
Billionaire Business Owner does not equal Presidential Candidate.

[tonedevil]

31. No...

Mark Zuckerberg is a political dilitant who got really lucky with a money tree. Senator Sanders is too old, he had his shot it didn't work out he still can do great things in the Senate. We need young people it seems like the Democratic leadership are all eligible for the senior discount. I know that's ageist, I am 60 and it seems like our leaders are all older than me.

[nkpolitics1212]

32. Mark Zuckerberg should be the 2020 Democratic Presidential Nominee and the

next President of the United States.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. LeBron

[LittleBlue]

43. The ones who vote for Zuckerberg are too similar to Trump voters

They care nothing for policies, as he has none, just vote for the billionaire and he'll take care of you because ummm he's rich and owns Facebook.

Just goes to show how far the average American voter has fallen. Trumperberg 2020 hooray!

[fun n serious]

45. No. This poll was between only 2 people and if that were your only choice.

Neither Zuckerberg or Sanders have any deep policy

[LittleBlue]

55. Sanders has proposed policies

Zuckerberg has none. He could be literally anything. Why would anyone pass on progressive policies for a total wildcard billionaire? Meaning the motivation is entirely personal. One can't call Trump voters idiots while mimicking them.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

87. Or they know it's an online poll and doesn't count

lol

[nikibatts]

44. Neither.

[BannonsLiver]

47. What a truly AWFUL scenario. A hard Pass on both

[La Lioness Priyanka]

88. Indeed

[WellDarn]

48. If it were not for the poster

I would have suspected pitting a narcissistic billionaire who was one of the prime purveyors of fake news in the last election, in other words, a Trump clone, against Senator Sanders was little more than a heavy handed attempt to "expose" those members whose hate for Sanders exceeds their love for Democratic principles. I would also have suspected it would never have worked. Sadly I was wrong on both counts.

What is happening to us?

[Straw Man]

50. Amen.

Mark Zuckerberg is leading on a progressive site?!

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I'm with you. But then, I'm one of those who believes you don't become a billionaire without being a sociopath first.

[hrmjustin]

51. Actually pass is winning.

[hrmjustin]

54. Every poll on DU has a pass option.

I voted pass and pass is currently winning.

[m-lekktor]

61. eh, it's just a "creative" anti-Bernie thread.

Bernie is a popular topic with this particular DUer.

[liberalnarb]

53. Bernie all the way!

[RandySF]

57. Neither

I'm taking a look at Martin O'Malley.

[we can do it]

59. No

[DinahMoeHum]

63. Fuck. The. Zuck.

Does he not get it?

We do not want celebrities, CEOs, or billionaires even thinking about running for POTUS.

We need to stop them and shut them down by any means necessary before this becomes a trend in our elected offices.

Oh and one other thing, Zuck. Shove your Facebook up your ass. I will not have an account with it.

I don't swim in dirty water.

[VOX]

67. Somebody else.

Not sure who yet, but neither of the two mentioned in the OP.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

68. I would volunteer to let a tech billionaire blast me to Mars

[tenderfoot]

69. R U fuck n serious?

eom

[Hell Hath No Fury]

70. I would take HRC over Zuckerberg --

and I can't stand her. Fuck Zuck.

[Ms. Toad]

71. First time I've ever found "pass" a useful option on a poll.

Pass is getting a higher vote than either of the fantasy candidates. That probably says something.

[OBenario4]

73. Bernie.

Don't trust Zuckerberg a bit. And his social network is a factory of fascists.

[Warren DeMontague]

75. I want to see Clinton run.

ANSWER THE CALL, GEORGE!

[Warren DeMontague]

76. You're forcing folks here to choose between "I hate Bernie Sanders" and "Get Off My Lawn"

Not FAIR!

[longship]

77. Fuck CEO presidential candidates with no political experience

And Bernie will be quite old in 2020. I am not sure that I can support him again.

But absolutely FUCKING NO to Zuckerberg!!!! He is not qualified.

[Bleacher Creature]

78. NEITHER.

Bernie had his chance to run in a Democratic primary. And the first chance he got, he switched back to being an independent and has been trashing the party ever since. He shouldn't ever be given an opportunity to do that again.

No idea what Zuckerberg is, but I'm 100% certain that in the next Democratic primary, there will be at least one DEMOCRAT to choose from.

[leftofcool]

79. Neither one

[democratisphere]

80. NO and NO.

[Foamfollower]

82. You could have put just about anybody against Sanders in the primary and I would have gone for them.

[caraher]

83. I'm shocked at the level of Zuckerberg support in this poll

These billionaires mostly have horrible, awful ideas, individually and collectively, about how to run a society for the benefit of real human beings. Spare us the "wisdom" of Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Richard Branson. I have seen nothing to indicate that Zuckerberg has a remotely progressive bone in his body so I find it truly startling that he has any traction at all on DU.

The only thing he has shown any clear talent for is making money for himself.

[Foamfollower]

85. Given a choice of nearly anybody vs. Sanders in 2020 primary.

I will choose nearly anybody besides Sanders.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

89. +1.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

86. One sometimes just picks the least shitty of two choices

[melman]

91. It's just another way of bashing

The OP thinks it's clever obviously. Pretty sad really.

[sharedvalues]

84. NO on Zuckerberg. FB has entirely too much media control

It would be like electing Murdoch.

Facebook has some serious self examination to do about disinformation and polarization.
No way do we want running for president the CEO of a media company that supports propaganda.

[progressoid]

90. Why not a poll between Beyonce and Jay Z?