Coal Miners Crushed As White House Admits Trump Lied About Bringing Back Coal Jobs

[RKP5637]

Like DUH!!! Maybe next time around they'll listen to some not feeding them outright lies, distortions and propaganda.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/05/26/coal-miners-crushed-white-house-admits-trump-lied-bringing-coal-jobs.html

The White House's real position on bringing back coal jobs was revealed after Trump economic adviser Gary Cohn made it clear in a meeting with reporters that coal isn't even good feedstock anymore, and the future of American energy is in natural gas, solar, and wind.

Cohn’s comments are the opposite of what Trump promised during the campaign when he said, “We’re going to get those miners back to work … the miners of West Virginia and Pennsylvania, which was so great to me last week, Ohio and all over are going to start to work again, believe me. They are going to be proud again to be miners.”

The truth is that the coal jobs are gone, and they aren’t coming back. Trump lied to former and current coal miners in places like West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky, and Western Pennsylvania.

Coal company bankruptcies and job losses in the Appalachian region weren’t caused by “federal regulations” as the company owners and Republicans like to claim. Automation within the industry, the natural gas boom, and declining international demand for coal are the real reasons behind the decline.

[Horse with no Name]

1. he led them off a cliff and now they are going to pull us all over

I have no pity.

[Freethinker65]

4. Hillary told them the truth and offered a dream of new industries

And of job retraining and economic development. They chose the obvious con artist.

[LisaM]

15. Yes, she did, and the response bothered me.

She had laid out a lot of ideas and plans, and really had the most sensible approach of any candidate. Instead of people listening - and touting her ideas - she was accused of ignoring those voters. Sure, if by "ignore" you mean draw up a comprehensive and realistic plan of getting jobs to the area.

[Squinch]

80. Yes, yes, yes!

[NastyRiffraff]

92. +1,000

I never understood the coal miners, first of all for believing the Orange con artist, and secondly for wanting those jobs back in the first place. Coal mining was a dangerous, health-ruining industry led for the most part by owners who ignored mining regulations that at least tried to protect miners. Don Blankenship went to prison after 29 miners died in an explosion. His sentence was only a year; I think it should have been a LOT longer.

Hillary, far from ignoring them, talked directly to their very real needs. Almost everyone, including the lying short-fingered shitstorm, knew that coal is dead and the future is clean energy. Dump blatantly played to their fears; Hillary had a workable plan that potentially would improve their lives, and health.

[Plucketeer]

103. I'm gonna be pummeled because

I'm revealing myself as a Bernie guy (still am BTW). That said, I'd be thrilled to have Dame Hillary in the Oval Office right now. But that she's NOT there isn't her fault alone - not as I see it anyways. It's the fault of her whole campaign treating tRump as if he was a legitimate candidate instead of the snake oil barker that so MANY of us could see plain as day.
Sure, there's folks like ourselves that DO listen - listen and parse every syllable to the nth degree. But there are also so many folks that have to be grabbed by the collar and snarled at to bring them out of their SmartPhone stupor. Remember "Git 'em outta here! I'll pay your legal fees if you rough them up too much!"

Did the HC gang get visceral and whack those ignorant voter dolts dolts to their feeble senses? Nope - we took the high road - so high that too few even caught sight of it. "Hey! we had a legitimate CONtender ( in Trump) that emerged from the herd of the right..... Guess we should take him on as if he were of sound mind and principles." Right.

Yeah - yeah - I know.... she truly WON. It's just that we were too busy to raise holy hell - especially when those three states wouldn't allow vote recounts. I honestly do not think Trump even knows what "strategy" is. But his handlers told him to fling a bunch of populist bullshit that no matter HOW stupid a carrot it really was, the desperate slurped it up. So now - now we just sit and watch all the agencies that we trusted would watch out for us, being ground up and fed to the hounds of privatization - we get to hold our heads up all nobel like take solace in that we took the high road.

[yardwork]

113. That's a very calm and sensible response.

I appreciate your calm. I get angry.

[Grown2Hate]

143. LITERALLY the first thing I thought and said aloud when I saw the headline. Very succinct,

thank you.

[not fooled]

157. Yes

Obviously those coal miners would rather be fooled by simplistic lies than engage their brains a little to listen to credible plans that are realistic.

Of course, the fact that a swaggering, blustering loudmouth white male delivered the lies while an intelligent, accomplished woman had the real goods probably had a lot to do with the outcome.

So many 'Muricans would rather be lied to and conned than have to think and figure things out.

[Ligyron]

177. If one wants to engage those morans, your message must fit on a bumper sticker.

Must also be very simple as their attention span is no longer than their gawd emperor and his are shorter than his wittle pingers.

[MrPurple]

181. and preferably fit into a three word chant

[Dulcinea]

176. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Coal is all these people know. They don't want retraining. They want to be paid well to do a filthy and dangerous job. Change is scary & hard. The Donald told them what they wanted to hear, & they fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.

[TrishaJ]

25. but but but...

she is a WOMAN.

[jpak]

53. And BENGHAZI!!!!1111

And ***EMAILS***

[IronLionZion]

55. Republican operatives are still boasting about that lie

They've openly admitted that every reasonable person knows the elitist triggered snowflake concept of retraining and economic development or liberal moving to a new state is the only solution for those folks. But it was easier and more effective to lie to them. Freepers have shared articles where their boasts of how easy it was to manipulate them.

They lied to the poor factory workers too. And lots of other folks.

Watch them continue their completely insane fight against retraining. Education (even trade schools) make you soft and weak like a liberal.

[SCVDem]

61. New Rule!

I am so over the term snowflake.

Let the right overuse it, not us.

Once again undereducated people believe in bullshit!

[IronLionZion]

64. They want people under-educated, unhealthy, and insecure

and so easy to manipulate into anything and get them to blame someone else.

They act as if ignorance is strength and intelligence is weakness. Which is really shitty since trade schools or other types of training are the only hope many out of work coal miners have. It's not like immigrants are stealing any coal jobs.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

135. But they also want them dead by taking away their health insurance and encouraging them to

eat crap food by either ignorance or making good food unaffordable to them.

[LiberalBrooke]

166. They wanted lies

They wanted to be lied to and don the con gave them that.

[grantcart]

150. She did

[DBoon]

21. No they walked over the cliff themselves

After willfully blindfolding themselves to the facts

[Left-over]

56. They Knew 30 years ago

The people of my area were told over 30 years ago that we had a limited window for coal production. The powers that be in the area chose to ignore the warnings even though they were in their face. Now our economy is in the pits and there is a long hard road ahead of us to even get back to being acceptable. The disgusting thing to me that the people like me that tried to warn them are suffering along with the idiots who refused to listen to the words about the changing times. Coal is a dying resource and the sooner areas like mine realize it and do something to adapt our economies the better. One of those things is to stop listening to the corporate voices that give them false hope. Politicians like drumpf will say and do anything to get in power and the lies told to the people in this region are a shining example of what orange man and his cronies will do to grab that power.

[panader0]

63. A fine post.

[erronis]

66. That's a powerful and sad story - not only about coal but about humankind

We frequently don't want to believe what we're being told. It's not always that we don't know there are alternatives but more the inertial thing.

My parents did this and my grandparents also. How can I all of a sudden be a non-Appalachian coal miner (or anything else)? I want to work and be productive but there really is no path out of the deep groove that is my life. I don't know many educated people in my group of friends. We all hang together for friendship and talking about how the government doesn't work for us.

[maddiemom]

111. YES!

Welcome to D.U.! Having lived in coal mining areas in western Pennsylvania, southern West Virginia and eastern Kentucky (my ex was a mining engineer), I could never understand how these people could possibly believe the crap Trump was selling about bringing back the coal jobs. They knew better and I would have thought they would have treated him with the scorn he deserved. Some really blind wishful thinking seemed to have taken hold. Hillary had reasonable plans for changing the focus of the area into new employment opportunities, but she made the mistake of saying that those mining jobs were GONE. She lost the miners' votes because that's where those voters stopped listening and the Republicans were quick to pillory her for telling the truth.

[RKP5637]

23. That's what really pisses me off. Their stupid arrogance and ignorance, proud of their

damn stupidity, now we're all going to sink because of their stunning stupidity!

[lunasun]

31. Me too it's their arrogance about their ignorance

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Anyone who has half a brain is some smarty pants elitist in their world

[RKP5637]

34. Yep! I can always understand people not knowing something. ... but then many people

listen and learn, and then say hey, you know, that does seem right. .... but many of these people absolutely refused, no matter how many facts and figures were given to them. It was incredible!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

138. Yep - get called an elitist all the time. I'm a freaking social worker making next to NOTHING.

I still owe a shitload in student loans to get my graduate degree in order to have this job. Oh well, at least I like my job. I used to make a lot more but hated the jobs.

[cstanleytech]

44. He didnt lead them off it they led themselves he just kicked their fingers free from the edge as

they made a mad grab to stop themselves from falling.

[malaise]

2. Get thee to the greatest page

They should have read some books instead of watching The Apprentice- aka Groper Don the Con

[Warpy]

9. Coal miners aren't stupid, stupid ones don't last long

They've just been lied to for so long they forgot which way was up.

This might just be the wakeup call they need.

[malaise]

12. Way too sad

Can't believe he could fool them - they don't even know the truth of their own industry

[Warpy]

16. No, they don't, they've been lied to by everybody

including the preachers. Orange Shitbomb offered them hot air and wishful thinking and they fell for it.

[GeoWilliam750]

67. It is easier to fool someone, than it is to convince someone they've been fooled

[Warpy]

70. Fortunately, the Orange Shitstorm is doing our work for us

which is why I keep saying we need to sit back and stay out of the way for a while as he merrily goes along, sowing the seeds of his own destruction.

[RKP5637]

28. I hope so! This just might be the pivot point this country needs for millions to wake the F up

and realize how sleazy people like Trump and his cohorts are, how most of what they say are endless lies and they are only out for themselves for money, greed, power, self-enrichment. They could give a F about the coal miners and in fact most Americans.

[Demsrule86]

163. Desperate people will believe what they want ...many have been left behind in the 'global '

economy particularly in rust belt states. We should be trying to create jobs for our people (Hillary had a plan)..but what does Trump do tax cuts, shitty health that will cost jobs...everything that hurts people, that is what he does. When we get back to power, we need a manufacturing plan and other job programs to help create jobs and maybe there should be a new agency to foster job growth. I have seen grown men weep when they got layoff notices;these folks are people too and have families. The reality is that there is not much of a safety net left and people who can't find work go hungry. I work with a food pantry and more than once we ran out of food and raided our own kitchens ...hubs worked in autos for years...we were management and in many ways, union is still better:more protection...but jobs were lost to gains in productivity and many were sent over seas. And now with retail going under it's going to get much worse. You can't be great country unless you make things...selling hamburgers to each other won't keep the economy going.

[maddiemom]

178. Anyone who knew anything about Trump's background

(beyond The Apprentice, still not a great reference when looking at the idea behind it) could have predicted he'd try to pull his usual con on the whole nation.

[Demsrule86]

182. Having lived in many states...people in red areas don't get the news unless they watch cable and

many just watch nightly...many cable companies don't even offer CNN or MSNBC or charge extra ...just Fox is available everywhere.

[maddiemom]

188. Having lived in the coal mining areas of three states,

(western PA, southern W.VA, and eastern Kentucky), the latter two a couple of decades ago, admittedly before Fox, I still can't believe that these people weren't aware that these jobs weren't coming back. Some crazy wishful thinking was going on, and nobody wanted to hear Hillary's plans for revitalizing those areas. She said the jobs were gone and miners stop listening. With the Rust Belt jobs, it was a bit more feasible that some of those might return, (the Trumps, for instance, could have started the trend--fat chance!) BTW, my ex was a mining engineer and manager and his family and some of mine had been longtime laboring miners, so I'm not considering this as some dillettante who didn't really know anyone (my ex included) who came home covered in coal dust.

[Demsrule86]

190. My hubs spent 30 years right out of college in autos...believe me I get it...Hillary was the first

one to suggest a manufacturing plan...to bring modern manufacturing to this country...and sadly people here in Ohio just don't understand.

[LOL Lib]

3. I hope they take their anger out on Turnip and the repuke party.

I feel bad for them, but if a politician tells you something that sounds to go to be true, don't fucking fall for it!

[cstanleytech]

47. I dont think they will because to do that they would have to accept responsibility for

their decision to vote for him in spite of being warned repeatedly that he was lying through his teeth.

[LOL Lib]

79. I think you are correct.

It takes a certain kind of person to admit they were wrong about Cheeto. I doubt that the coal crowd falls into the category. So much easier to blame the Dems, Obama, HRC, the media, or the shadow government.

[roamer65]

5. Fuck 'em.

[Warpy]

6. Good, maybe more of them will catch a fucking clue

Coal isn't going away completely, not while steel is being made. However, they're not sending people down into the ground to fetch it, they're just taking away the mountain covering it up. Those old fashioned miner jobs are not coming back and they got SUCKERED.

I hope some of them get mad enough to do something about it, like join us.

[Blue_true]

134. A materials engineering friend of mine went through how reuseable ceramics are

have been developed that when used in conjunction with natural gas, can perform the function that Coke from coal performs. The ceramics can be recycled a number of times before needing to be refreshed. Even for metal smelting, the days of coal are numbered.

[WellDarn]

7. Responses here

Not surprised

[jpak]

54. Proceed governor

[onethatcares]

8. hell, the believed

Don Blankenship.

Why would anyone like him lie to them?

Solar on mountain tops that have been leveled would be a good start. Plug it into the existing infrastructure and away it goes.

The education factor alone will create jobs.

[DemKittyNC]

10. I'll never understand

how people fall for con-men like this? I am always surprised to see people state that they couldn't have seen this coming. I try to have compassion for them but it is so hard to. Most people saw this coming a mile away. Some people saw it and STILL voted for him. Donald has always been corrupt and a con-man his whole life and he has always left gigantic paths of destruction in his wake - shattering peoples lives and businesses. Siphoning their fortunes and their souls all to line his own pockets and boost his massive EGO. It doesn't take much research at all to see this and to know that would be the result of making this man-baby, President.

[Vinca]

11. And to add insult to injury, Obamacare ending means black lung benefits ending. Sorry, suckers.

[gratuitous]

13. If only someone had warned them

I know that the authoritarian mindset really, really likes it when an apparent strongman is telling them what they want to hear. But sometimes, even the wimpiest panty-waist can be telling an objective truth at odds with your fondest desire. How are you supposed to figure it out? Who's just telling you what you want to hear, and who's giving you the straight scoop, even if that truth is ugly? It can be tough to tell, sometimes.

But at some point, you find out who was telling you the truth, and who was just bullshitting you. The question then becomes what do you do with this information? If you've read the story of Samson and Delilah in Judges 16, you might shake your head at Samson: Delilah deceives him over and over again, setting the Philistines on him each time. Each time, Samson whips the Philistines' asses. Delilah pouts that Samson doesn't trust her, and we're back at square one. Until Samson reveals the true secret of his strength to her. Then he's fucked, but good.

What are you miners going to do? Run back into the arms of Trump and Republicans again? Or try something else, even if you don't like the people bringing you the something new to try?

[angstlessk]

14. I would like to hear from someone in coal mining country...

...many are on SSI, which he proposes to take away too...so he is basically strip mining coal workers!

[RKP5637]

29. Exactly!!! He's "basically strip mining coal workers!" n/t

[keithbvadu2]

145. SSDI is a cottage industry in Trump country.

SSDI is a cottage industry in Trump country.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2017/03/30/disabled-or-just-desperate/?utm_term=.f32e02b5deaf

Disabled, or just desperate?
Rural Americans turn to disability as jobs dry up

No problemo..... Just waiting for all those coal jobs Trump is going to bring back.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=coal+country+disability+social+security

[NurseJackie]

17. If any of them are still ALIVE in 2020, maybe they'll make a better choice.

[workinclasszero]

18. SUCKERS!

[FakeNoose]

19. This is so extremely sad - and extremely obvious

These people were duped and used shamelessly by the Republican Party.

Why doesn't the Democratic Party have outreach to these people? Why aren't their own state governments doing anything for them? Education is the answer, and perhaps some social programs to help them find a new career or relocate to another place.

Trump used them shamelessly. They shouldn't have been sitting ducks.

[C_U_L8R]

20. Hey coal country... you believed him

How about opening your eyes and using your brains
Instead of being such suckers for rightwing charlatans.

[alcibiades_mystery]

22. When those counties vote 90% Trump, I'm very sorry to say, but I'm not going to weep for them

They made a choice. They have to live with that choice. Sure, the 10, or 15, or 20% in those counties who chose otherwise get caught in the trap. That's deeply unfortunate, but they did choose their neighbors.

OK, so the second objection goes like this: instead of "wishing" for their punishment for their Trump votes, make the positive case for voting Dem in the next election. OK, sure, I get it. And it's a good point. But there really is no argument like reality, like the concrete effects of your decisions. Why is it that we can preach tough love in drug rehab, but not in politics? It might be time to say, well, live with your choices.

[helpisontheway]

26. My husband is a railroader. So many railroaders

voted for Trump because of coal. RR was booming when they demand for coal was up. However, once the demand was down yards in those areas shit down. Union told them to vote democrat but they did not listen. They believed Trump instead.

[sharedvalues]

39. It's an information war, and we lost this battle. They believed the GOP.

[crazylikafox]

27. I doubt that FOX will report this.

So miners won't even know he said it.

[RKP5637]

30. Yep, that's probably what will happen. The truth will be withheld from them and some lies will

be spread by Fox.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

58. They would only believe it if Fox Spews reported it, otherwise it's "fake" news. Willfully ignorant!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

141. Flipped to Faux and they had short snippet rolling on the bottom re: Kushner but were whining

about how the mean liberal media is criticizing Trump on that "successful" overseas trip. He is doing such a wonderful job but the media is just "picking" little mishaps.

[Hoyt]

32. If Trump runs again, they will still vote for him.

[RKP5637]

35. Sadly, that will likely happen. n/t

[sharedvalues]

40. Only if we fail to communicate the truth to them.

[Hoyt]

139. Wish it were that simple.

[Blue_true]

140. Hillary communicated the truth to them and they hated her for telling the truth.

Hillary had a plan to help them start building a new economy, they hated her for that.

I don't think they can handle the truth. Let's not waste our electoral energy on those people, they will ignore us and vote for Trump and republicans. We are betteroff looking for votes from some of the 43% of Americans that did not vote in 2016.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

142. They don't believe us or facts. How do we do that? Only by being better propagandists & psyops.

[sharedvalues]

148. It only takes a small chink to bring down a propaganda machine

See this relevant article about Venezuela today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2017/05/25/venezuelas-propaganda-state-is-collapsing-under-its-own-weight/


If I were setting strategy for Democrats, I'd tell them to describe the propaganda machine, and also describe WHY it exists -- Breitbart, Reason are funded today by GOP donors, Murdoch has had an agenda for years, and all these outlets coordinate on talking points. Ultimate goal is to destroy the govt to cut taxes mainly on GOP donors.

Progressives do a bad job with narrative -- WHY does the RW propaganda machine exist, and WHO is behind it.

[JI7]

152. how come Black People aren't affected ? in fact it's only white people who fall for it

and if you look at the propaganda it's directed at whites and particularly racist whites.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

65. Yup

[Phoenix61]

33. They believed Twitler

the way a child believes in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. He told them what they wanted to hear and they didn't even try to figure out if it was true or not. Sadly, between black lung and the opiod epidemic not sure how many will be around to vote in 2020 or 2018 for that matter.

[RKP5637]

37. Yep, many may be so far at the end of their rope they decided it was Trump or nothing. He told

them in easy terms what they wanted to hear. May Trump rest in hell or wherever.

[gopiscrap]

36. Fuck anybody who is too stupid to vote for trump

I pray to God you have a vile, painful life...so if you're a republican, do us all a favor: go crawl in a hole and fuck yourselves. I pray these miners live a long horrible life with their voting choice, maybe the younger generations will take notice and wake up

[Doreen]

129. You do realize that hole is starting at Mar-A-Lago?

[sharedvalues]

38. We are in an information war. Our side lost this battle

The GOP told coal miners jobs were coming back. Progressives didn't communicate as well.
So the GOP and the president won.


We are in an information war. On one side are Fox, Limbaugh, Breitbart, Infowars, this White House, GOP donors, Russia, and Sinclair.

On the other side are us, progressives and patriotic Americans.

We have been losing the information war.
To rescue the country, we have to start winning.

[GliderGuider]

71. I agree. Problem is, they don't care if they tell lies. We do care.

The truth is usually a much narrower, and less politically attractive perspective. Lies can be made exciting. The truth often cannot. And when their side owns the airwaves, how do we even get their citizen hostages to listen?

This is an enormous social problem, one that is tied up with the Powell memo, the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, the loosening of regulations on media consolidation, and Citizens United. They have been bombarded with these lies for a generation and a half now, since 1971. They are now victims of a national version of Stockholm Syndrome. I have no idea how our side undoes that degree of systemic damage.

[sharedvalues]

74. Agreed but journalists bear a lot of blame

When journalists are committed to reporting both sides of any issue, a logical strategy is to tell egregious lies because you know the journalists will repeat those lies.


Journalists need to start reporting the truth, not what people say. That's the only way for us to recover from a political situation where the GOP is willing to lie blatantly.

[GliderGuider]

91. "Truth" is often a slippery concept in politics. Who decides what the truth is?

[sharedvalues]

95. People with brains and educations. "Post-truth" is a copout

It's a lot easier to report what other people say than to actually decide who is right.
That's why journalists often just report what people say.

[ck4829]

123. The GOP won't save them. Well, maybe we shouldn't save all of them either.

I have people in my circle... GLBTQ, a refugee, people who are chronically sick and are concerned about the "world's greatest healthcare system in the world" getting even 'greater' in the eyes of Republicans, Muslims, and more... and my love and respect is with them, not with people who just get concerned when the cuts come for them.

We are in an information war, but I don't think we're losing it, because we're not even fighting it. Fighting it means realizing people with "pseudo-Trumpgrets" (People who are only upset with Trump because not only did Trump fail them but cuts to any programs they had came for them in addition to 'the other' and will really just vote for the next Trump) are as much on the other side as Fox, Limbaugh, Breitbart, Infowars, this White House, GOP donors, Russia, and Sinclair. Not people to be converted or reached out to, but humiliated and disgraced as much as any alt-right crackpot should be.

[sharedvalues]

126. We need to embrace people hurt by the GOP

Even if they were lied to and now have regrets.

Many Americans were propagandandized. I blame the propandanda outlets, not the Americans who believed them. We want to unite average Americans against the GOP donor propagandists, not reject people who voted for Trump and know they made a mistake.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

144. We should be helping them by sending young Dems and Dems from local organizations to help

when they have disasters. They will see we are not evil and are helping to "save" their sorry asses. Warning: do NOT sound like elitist smarty pants, do not bring a cup of Starbucks coffee with you and "dumb it down." And don't wear any "elitist" clothes.

[sharedvalues]

149. That is one way yup

[zentrum]

41. K&R

[ProudProgressiveNow]

42. K&R nt

[Progressive dog]

43. Trump will retract the White House admission

(on twitter) as soon as he finds out about it. Lying is his only skill.

[Oneironaut]

45. Don't worry. He'll repeat the same meme in 2020 and they'll vote for him.

'Cuz you know - he'll really mean it that time!

[dalton99a]

180. I have no doubt.

[wryter2000]

46. Will they finally catch on?

What will it take to convince these people they've been fed lies and they've voted for people who will do them substantial harm?

[cstanleytech]

51. I honestly think they will also I will be the powerball Saturday night and I will then be taking

a world cruise.

[RKP5637]

52. I'm starting to think it's a hard-wired brain function, they well might vote the same again,

seriously. The conservative mind, primordial fear and all of that ...

[DinahMoeHum]

48. They get what they vote for (middle finger raised)

[MindPilot]

49. Not the best choice of words for the headline.

I kind of stopped at "coal miners crushed"

[RKP5637]

59. Wasn't my choice, that was headline from the article. n/t

[MindPilot]

105. Oh I get that; very sorry if I implied otherwise.

I am one of those bugged by the propensity for news writers to put a double entendre or pun in the headline.

[RKP5637]

109. Hi, that's OK, I understand!

[Jacquette]

50. We been digging in the dirt all

our lives we caint do nuthin else but dig in the dirt now they done took our dirt diggin jobs away!

Yes. They're stupid.

[SummerSnow]

57. The only people that Trump does not lie to are the rich people

[Honeycombe8]

60. What a shocker! He LIED????

[RKP5637]

62. OMG, How about that! He was such an honest man, so passionate.

[workinclasszero]

75. Such a great businessman too

[RKP5637]

77. Yes, but he told us he was the smartest person ever! FFS, people are soooooo stupid!!! n/t

[workinclasszero]

85. Americans are the easiest marks in the world

Churches and religious programs on TV are lousy with con men stealing little old ladies social security food and rent money.

Fox news....hate radio...and of course the republican party. All huge cons.

[RKP5637]

88. And they never learn. It's always been a constant WTF to me. n/t

[workinclasszero]

93. Because they need to cling to their racist hate above all

IMO.

They were all good with the 'others' losing jobs, benefits,SNAP, SSI etc.

But they thought Trump would be the champion of white folks.

Duh.

[RKP5637]

94. Yep, there's a lot of that in there. Pathetic! n/t

[Shrike47]

68. I don't see that the 'crushed' coal miners know anything about what the WH said.

If they knew, they might re-evaluate him.

[Buns_of_Fire]

69. And now will be the insult to add to the injury.

As unemployment, SSDI, SNAP, ACA, and others come under the axe.

[iluvtennis]

72. Seriously, did they think Dumpty was King Midas and going to put coal back in the mines. GAH

[RKP5637]

76. Stupidity runs pretty deep in the US. I was really shocked when he kept saying this and they kept

believing him.

[IronLionZion]

73. Mike Rowe on where the jobs are

Yes he's a conservative. But it's true that there is a need for trade jobs everywhere. Every small town in this country needs plumbers and electricians. A lot of places need welders, machinists, construction workers, etc.

[RKP5637]

81. Definitely!!!!!!! There are jobs to be had! n/t

[IronLionZion]

125. People need training and apprenticeships to get trade jobs

it absolutely blows my mind that some people are against this

[LSFL]

78. i have lived SE Ky since i was a kid

Never once have i heard anyone say that they wanted to be a coal miner. We need other industries that dont kill us. Fuck coal and the shitty life shortening jobs it provides.

[RKP5637]

82. I recall well my dad telling me when young two jobs never to get into, coal mining and farming. n/t

[Beartracks]

83. Trump lied for votes.

Nothing more to say, except that he lied to anyone and everyone to get votes, not just coal miners.

That, and the Republicans and their talking media heads provided him with a whole lot of cover for those lies.

============

[RKP5637]

87. And, they still do it and are going to do it again in 2018 and 2020. They are such a deceitful bunch

[TrollBuster9090]

84. Coal Miners Crushed As They Find Out That Bears Shit In The Woods, Instead Of In Little Spaceships..

..as they were told by Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell on the campaign trail.

[NCTraveler]

86. YOUR JOBS ARE GOING IF NOT ALREADY GONE!!!!!!

Only one party wants to invest in you and your children's future.The other party wants to drain every last bit from you and leave you for dead.

[RKP5637]

89. But they can't learn this, just WTF is wrong with them. It's incredible. What a bunch of suckers,

and they're taking the country down with them.

[Mr.Bill]

90. I would rather have my grandchildren

working in a solar panel factory than a coal mine. Who in their right mind would not?

[nikibatts]

96. Hillary tried to be honest with them. They booed her and told her to never come back to W.VA.

[RKP5637]

98. Yep, they knew everything. They didn't want to hear the truth, much less take any corrective

action.

[workinclasszero]

121. Yup

So F them.

Hillary and the democratic party threw them a lifeline and they refused to be saved!

[randr]

97. OMGOMGOMGOMG--Did he Lie?

Imagine that, whodathunkit.

[RKP5637]

99. Nah, he's one of the good guys, just ask Fox. He's just got a different style to him. n/t

[randr]

101. What is the saying?

The Fox smells his own hole first?

[RKP5637]

110. Sure sounds good!!! n/t

[blitzen]

100. Mr. Peabody's coal train has hauled it away...

[RKP5637]

114. Inland mudflats now. So sad. n/t

[bora13]

102. if they only knew

that t-rump was a faithful student of Norman Vincent Peale.

But that wouldn't have been much help as they would have been like, "Who the hell is that?"

[colorado_ufo]

104. When someone says, "Believe me," best exercise caution.

[rpannier]

106. They aren't crushed because they don't believe it

They're still convinced he'll bring 'em back.
He already said some piffle about 29,000 new mining jobs that have been created. No where did I see where or what these were

[WePurrsevere]

107. Not only will the jobs be gone but...

the safety net they'll need while they look for jobs will be too if Trump has his way.

[Takket]

112. but her emails....

[WePurrsevere]

120. I know... it bugs the heck out of me that they

Bought the propaganda hook line and sinker.

If Trump and Cons weren't going to hurt so many innocent people too I'd have a hard time feeling much sympathy for them.

[workinclasszero]

122. Hey they are just common folk

[TalenaGor]

108. did he offer to bring back Black Lung too?

[RKP5637]

115. Yeah, that too! The creep! n/t

[Amimnoch]

116. hoping every single one of them that supported him

goes hungry.

I hate feeling that way about anyone, but fuck them for the suffering they have inflicted on everyone else that wasn't so damn stupid.

[RKP5637]

119. They are sinking this nation for millions. n/t

[DFW]

117. At some point, a majority of them will be forced to admit they've been lied to by Trump

At some point, a majority of them will be forced to admit they've been lied to by McConnell, Caputo and their local Republicans.

You know what they will do then? They will vote Republican again. Democrats will tell them their jobs are gone but they will do what they can to retrain them and give them and their children a life, but it won't happen tomorrow. Republicans will tell them their jobs will be back tomorrow, lie through their teeth, and these people will vote Republican again and again and again.

These people are angry and the media they follow plays to anger. Fox Noise plays to anger. National Hate Radio plays to Anger. Rachel Maddow does not. Hillary Clinton does not. The New York Times does not. Until their anger dissipates into sullen despair, they will listen to their hatemasters and vote Republican. Anything else requires listening to a little reason, and until the anger that drowns reason out is gone (or at best re-channeled), we don't have much of a chance. Raúl Labrador may be stupid enough to tell his constituents that no one ever died from a lack of access to health care, but Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul have been around long enough not to make a mistake THAT stupid.

[RKP5637]

118. Yes, anger is a more powerful emotion ruling out logic in their case. They feed on anger. Many will

remain the same being fed their supply of anger food.

[not fooled]

159. They've been lied to--and hurt economically--

since raygun if not before. They still haven't figured it out and still keep voting GOPee. Why would that change now? dump is just the latest GOPee con artist.

[peggysue2]

124. The very people crushed now . . .

are cruising for a further bruising if Trumpcare is passed along with the Republican's draconian budget. The glory days of King Coal are gone but out of work miners heard what they wanted to hear--Trump would save them. The truth is the Trump Administration doesn't give a hoot about Appalachia or blue-color workers or anything but it's own bottom line.

It was a con from the start, a cruel con because proposed funding cuts would strip social services from the hard-pressed, ardent Trump supporters, stripping them of healthcare, disability payments, any hope of corralling the opioid epidemic, reducing educational opportunities for themselves and their children, stripping nutrition and health programs for wives and infants, gutting the food stamp program because the GOP believes any welfare recipient, even if hungry, is a moocher at heart.

So, being crushed about the coal jobs lie is only the beginning. There's a whole lot of pain coming down the track.

[RKP5637]

171. And I bet Trump considers them all losers! This thing called Trump is disgusting. n/t

[liberalhistorian]

127. Fuck 'em. We're in this nightmare clusterfuck

shitshow because these fucking idiots put their racism, sexism, ignorance, and wholesale swallowing of RW lies and propaganda ahead of everything else and because they closed their eyes to what should have been VERY obvious about Drumpf all along. And because of their "I'll get mine, fuck everyone else" attitude. Now we and the world must pay for it. Fuck 'em.

[blueinredohio]

128. When my dad worked in the mines

in the 60's it was always come and go. Work would be good for a while then BOOM you're laid off. And he also told us vote democrat b/c when republicans are in office everything goes downhill. Needless to say we moved north, he got a union job and all was good.

[LonePirate]

130. They will receive no sympathy from me if they voted for him.

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Anyone with half a brain knew the lost coal jobs were never going to return.

The people I feel for are the coal miners and other coal industry workers who say through 45's lies, voted for Hillary and now have to endure their moronic co-workers.

[Best_man23]

131. Sorry you bought the Con Coal Miners

Perhaps its time you take another way instead of being led around by lying Fox News and RW radio.

[Mountain Mule]

132. Some of my best friends were miners

but they didn't vote for Trumpf. They saw the handwriting on the walls of those mines - automation, major safety issues, etc., etc. The thing is that in many of the old coal mining regions - especially Appalachia - coal mining was the only decent paying job around. Trumpf played those ex-miners like the callous liar he is. God, how I loathe that creature and for so very many good reasons!

[doc03]

133. Oh I thought all the coal miners went back to work on "Day One"

[kerry-is-my-prez]

136. They didn't learn from Bush???? Guess people have short memories.

[Orrex]

137. Let me hear them pledge never to vote Republican again

Otherwise, boo fucking hoo. Absent that pledge, they haven't learned a thing.

Everyone of generally healthy mental function knew that Trump was full of shit and lying, so the only way to vote for him was by deliberately choosing to believe an obvious lie.

They're desperate? Yeah? Well, everybody's desperate. But more than half of America didn't vote to destroy the fucking country out of desperation.

I am sympathetic to their economic plight. I have no sympathy for them now that they realized that they deliberately voted for an unmistakable conman.

[Rhiannon12866]

146. What hasn't he lied about??

[RKP5637]

172. I hope in these investigations the ass in the WH is forced to reveal his tax returns. There must

be a lot in there he's hiding.

[Rhiannon12866]

183. This fool had no idea what it meant to be president

He had no idea what it involved as far as transparency or what the job entails. If he knew, he probably wouldn't have been interested. Idiot. And we're all paying the price. It's not a game show.

[McCamy Taylor]

147. Coal miner tells MSNBC that Trump is going to bring back jobs and health care.

http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/wv-coal-miner-on-why-he-voted-for-trump-896833603809

[workinclasszero]

151. Mindblowing

The stupid...it hurts!

[not fooled]

161. That MSNBC tape was made back in March

Wonder what that guy--who "absolutely" was looking for dump to provide "free healthcare"--thinks now. Does he still support dump now that dumpcare is out and is clearly GOPee deathcare? I would love to hear him re-interviewed.

[BainsBane]

153. There is nothing in that story that points to any reaction by coal miners

let alone evidence of their being "crushed." In fact, it's quite likely they have no idea about Cohn's statement and continue to see Trump as their savior, considering that his poll numbers remain fairly steady. That is one example of why I loathe trash websites like politicsusa. There is a cottage industry of online charletans telling Democrats what they want to hear.

[LeftInTX]

158. I know

[Heartstrings]

155. K & R........nt

[3catwoman3]

156. Willing suspension of disbelief is just fine...

...when in a movie theatre or when reading fiction.

Pretty ineffective way to live your real life.

[Awsi Dooger]

160. TGF and Roy Cohn

That was Trump's answer to everything -- they're (T)errible, I'm (G)reat, I'll (F)ix It.

TGF, TGF on every answer. He didn't care who he was lying to or how far he took it. I kept thinking this is exactly what he learned from Roy Cohn, and the way Roy Cohn would conduct a presidential campaign.

It drove me nuts because I knew there was potential for it to work in 2016, given the frenzy of Simplistic Angry Males and with Hillary owning such low upside. She was never going to get 51 or 52% or thereabouts. My argument was always that if you're going to run Obama and Hillary back to back then Hillary has to go first. There was great tailwind in 2008. Hillary would have cruised. Then you save the more likable candidate for the much more problematic cycle in 2016 when you've already held the White House for two terms and voters are somewhat restless and with inept memories toward how bad things were in late 2008.

Hillary may have had the correct proposals but she took a ridiculous and pathetic professorial approach instead of hammering the themes very early in debate one when it would have diffused Trump just enough to get her over the finish line...Comey and fake news notwithstanding. Instead, whenever the carnival barker was allowed to loudly shout Ohio in those debates then all of the miners and steel workers and manufacturing workers lapped it up as if it were personal attention directed at themselves and their children.

I've hosted debate parties many times, albeit not recently. I used to mention it somewhat frequently on this site, circa 2004. It was primarily for betting purposes. Bottom line, it's unbelievable what the uninformed voter will react to in those debates. They immediately tune out anything that sounds like complex policy. Big picture simplicity sells.

I attended Easter services with my aunt, who knows nothing about politics but voted enthusiastically for Trump. Inside that church I was all but oblivious to the music and the themes while looking around and thinking to myself that this the crowd who can't distinguish real from fake or lie from astute. It reminded me of that original Star Trek episode when Bones and others are absorbed by the Body of Landru. That's where we are now. They'll walk out of that church with glazed eyes and a smile..."Hello friend"...while totally unconcerned about what Trump is doing today or tomorrow. They'll learn about it on their smart phone from fellow Trumpeteers, and it will be great.

[RKP5637]

168. Very well said! It really becomes a Trump mind meld with these voters. n/t

[Starry Messenger]

162. It's hard to feel sorry when their decision is threatening my health coverage

and my industry has to look at Betsy fucking DeVos every day.

[RKP5637]

169. That, must be exceptionally difficult! n/t

[Miles Archer]

164. "I like hard hats. Let's see if it's a hard hat. It's a hard hat! IT'S A HARD HAT!"

[bucolic_frolic]

165. Bringing back the jobs was pure fantasy all along

I kept asking online in message boards, not about coal but about factories

I would say who's going to pay for moving the factories back here, and
why are the current owners willing to sell? What's he gonna do, invade and
seize them? Why would a factory owner want our wage rates?

I never got an answer, though quite a few thumbs up because people know
the BS nature of Trump's claims

[RKP5637]

170. It made absolutely no sense from day one! n/t

[bucolic_frolic]

174. And more than twice when this was pointed out to them

an army of troll would descend and say "Not a problem, moving factories
is not an issue"

So there is an example of this misinformation perhaps Russian hackers altering
the landscape and making soft minds dither

Total gaslighting all along

[WellDarn]

167. Trump, no let me change that AND politicians

Union bosses, friends, neighbors, teachers and preachers and not just the Republican ones have told coal miners and their families that their jobs were being lost due primarily to government regulation for at least two decades. It has even been argued here that one of the primary perpetrators of that lie should be allowed to continue in office for the good of the rest of us.

Why is it surprising that they rejected the one person who told them the truth?

Why do stories like this deteriorate into attacks on the victims even more so than on the liars?

[Crunchy Frog]

173. To quote "Animal House",

[mdbl]

175. Coal miners voting for trump is almost as stupid as breathing in coal dust all day

Maybe that's why they aren't concerned on what coal burning does to our planet. Kind of like smokers that don't care about air quality.

[Botany]

179. Once again coal miners are taken for suckers

It is them big gob'er-mint liberal environmentalists who are taking your jobs.




Enjoy your acid mine drainage and the massive flooding because the stream bank vegetation
has been killed or weakened dumb fucks.

[Mars and Minerva]

184. If they voted for Trump they deserve to be "Shafted"! nt

[Iggo]

185. "...believe me."

[red dog 1]

186. "It was a rare moment of truth from the Trump administration that is likely to be walked back

by the White House."
(From the last paragraph of the article)

Will Trump say to Gary Cohn "You're fired"?

[RKP5637]

187. Probably he will say that. Definitely not what the liar in chief wanted. n/t

[oasis]

189. Your jobs ain't coming back and your healthcare is under attack.

But at least Hillary ain't president, and that should sustain you 'til winter.

[MrScorpio]

191. They fucked up and trusted Trump

Trust Trump at your own.

FDT.