Sanders: Democratic Convention Could Be 'Messy'

[Purveyor]

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Source: ASSOCIATED PRESS

May 23, 7:05 PM EDT

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Bernie Sanders says the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia could be "messy" but that "democracy is not always nice and quiet and gentle."

Sanders said in an interview with The Associated Press Monday that his supporters hope to see a platform at the July convention that reflects the needs of working families, the poor and young people.

He said he will "condemn any and all forms of violence" but his presidential campaign is bringing new people into the process who have never gone to a political convention before. He said he hopes "their voices will be heard."

Asked if the convention could be messy, Sanders said, "So what. Democracy is messy."

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[jmowreader]

1. In other words, he plans to start at least one riot

[arcane1]

4. LOL nobody is ignorant enough to believe Sanders wants to start a riot. Even you.

So why post made-up bullshit?

[Raster]

23. Because when you have nothing else, you post made-up bullshit.

The Hillarians are high-fucking pissed that the Democratic National Convention may not be the hoped for Third-Way Clinton Love Fest, and that there may even be -gasp- open dissension on the Convention Floor. Not only that, I would not bet on Wasserman-Shitz being the Belle of the Ball...in fact, there may be OPEN DISPLEASURE expressed. Because by any barometer - EXCEPT for the "I Helped Hillary" standard, Wasserman-Shitz is a spectacular fucking failure, and hopefully will be treated as such.

LIKE IT OR NOT, the new blood coming into the party is Progressive, and if truth be told, there are more Democrats that want to see our party return to the Party of the People, the Party of FDR, and NOT the party of the DINOcrats.

[LiberalArkie]

39. I wonder how many 1 liners the Clinton campaign has that their "posters" can paste into the forums?

[RKP5637]

76. A lot IMO and often they're easy to spot! n/t

[Enthusiast]

69. +1!

[pacalo]

5. I somehow missed reading that -- please post where he said that.

[arcane1]

7. No lie is too petty for that poster, it seems n/t

[pacalo]

10. I've been noticing.

[jmowreader]

14. The biggest lie I've heard this primary season is...

"Bernie Sanders is a Democrat."

[arcane1]

15. Tell that to the Dems, they allowed him to run as one.

But your unthinking loyalty to The Party would fit right at home in "1984"

[RATM435]

22. Hillary Clinton Squirms At The Word “Liberal"

[frylock]

24. Tell me all about the purity police.

[fasttense]

91. Since when are Democrats picky about who they let in?

That's a RepubliCON characteristic not something Democrats do. Heck we let Joe Lieberman in.

[jmowreader]

13. Tell me how I'm supposed to interpret "Bern the Convention"

[arcane1]

19. A phrase that existing nowhere in the article posted in the OP.

More made-up bullshit.

Why must you always make up shit?

[jmowreader]

25. Eat me.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/212567829136226/?fref=nf

Public Facebook group: Dems Bern the Convention

Now. Tell me how I'm supposed to interpret this. You guys are making plans to go to Philadelphia and hold huge demonstrations. Do not deny this. I got it off your side's postings.

Simple question that requires a simple answer: Are Bernie Sanders' supporters planning to go to the convention to try intimidating superdelegates and pledged delegates into standing for Bernie against the will of the people, or are they not? Yes or no.

[arcane1]

26. You said SANDERS wants a riot, then post other people's words. A failed lie in a long line of them.

Go eat yourself. I'm staying in California for the convention.

[wendylaroux]

28. eat me? omg lololo0lol

9th grade?

[arcane1]

30. I struck a nerve, it seems, by calling their horseshit bullshit.

One of the more lame retorts I've seen today

[wendylaroux]

33. I have not heard that since high school!

thank you for the laugh!

[Enthusiast]

70. You misidentified their shit!

[olddad56]

64. very classy. Sure that you aren't a Trump supporter?

[Locrian]

77. now now....

now now.... we're not supposed to upset the coronation, errrr, I mean convention don't you know?

[Worldly Traveler]

80. But of Course

the ermine-lined cloak and scepter are already ordered and they are not returnable? If so, Hillary's supporters will have to eat the cost of those, if in the meantime, the super delegates read the polls for the general election or the FBI finishes Hillary's investigation either before or during the convention. We live in interesting times!

[larkrake]

53. Jesus, its just a slogan- You are such a hater, you embarrass yourself

[anigbrowl]

58. So how should we interpret this slogan?

Are you saying that slogans are actually bullshit? 'Cause I'd agree with that, but quite a lot of people seem to enjoy mindless chanting in the US from what I can see.

[blackspade]

83. Indeed: "I'm with Her"

Definitely a mindless slogan chanted over and over.....

[Zorro]

55. I suspect many who support a "messy" convention are those too young to remember 1968

and consider those events in Chicago as somehow "romantic" -- and want to create that same sort of group experience in Philadelphia this summer.

[Dont call me Shirley]

56. Bern the convention NOT burn the convention. To Bern the convention means to have the voices

of the voiceless heard, to have those who are not invited to participate in a "democratic" system to be allowed to participate, to run the convention with honesty, integrity and fairness. That's what Bern means.

[anigbrowl]

59. I'd like to believe that

But on past form I'm inclined to think that if Bernie doesn't win on the delegate count that his supporters won't just accept the losing result and sit down for the speeches.

[Dont call me Shirley]

61. Because the vote suppression, disappearing votes and voter registrations, voter purges, arbitrary

rule changes, illegal electioneering, that's what Bernie supporters object to.

Bernie and his supporters care about fairness, honesty and integrity. That has been flushed down the toilet by the DNC and DLC, cheat, lie and cheat some more is their motto.

The shitstorm has already been started. It's been started by the cheaters. Shitstorms are always started by cheaters. Create chaos, then steal. Ask Naomi Klein, that's what Shock Doctrine is and the DNC is playing the Shock Doctrine Game.

[Enthusiast]

72. Massive plus one!

[scscholar]

51. This

And, I don't think most of the Party members take kindly to threats.

[samsingh]

57. 'messy'? Democracy? Isn't hillary ahead in votes and committed delegates

not even including superdelegates?

who's being undemocratic?

[billhicks76]

63. Who Are You? You're Sounding Like Trump

The sky isn't falling. You can't act afraid of you're own shadow. This isn't a coronation. Have you ever fought for anything in the political arena? It should be contentious. This is our future we're talking about. Unbelievable the crap I read on DU these days.

[AlbertCat]

85. In other words, he plans to start at least one riot

Just one? It OBVIOUSLY means he's gonna start 5 riots!





No...really.... you're hysterical.... in all senses of the word.

Unbelievable.

[jtuck004]

2. That's ok.There are millions of people whose lives are messy because of the sorry pieces

of crap running things now, so it won't be any worse.

[brooklynite]

3. Sounds like: "if I lose a vote on the Platform Committee, somebody cheated"

[JonLeibowitz]

11. Well if we have a platform item that proposes that oil-rich countries pay us for our bombing,

I know which candidate I will blame.

(Hint: it ain't any of Sanders' people who would propose something like that for the platform)

[larkrake]

54. well, they tried to cheat him with just 3 slots, so what is your point?

[murielm99]

65. It's always cheating

when Bernie does not get his way.

He lost. He deserves no slots. He needs to go back to his back bench.

[ripcord]

84. The meaning is simple

Bernie is going to start a food fight by throwing pieces of the pie at people.

[tazkcmo]

6. Yup.

The current power holders deplore "messy". They're all very fragile. In fact, just shouting at them causes them to fear for their safety just before they flip the finger and taunt those shouting. So scared they make up stories about violence and ignore other real stories about violence.

I get great satisfaction watching the entrenched power holders being uncomfortable, scared and "in fear for their safety" due to people being angry and showing it. It means we're on the right path. This is only the beginning.

[Bleacher Creature]

8. Democracy already happened and he lost.

What he's talking about is overturning the will of the voters. That's not democracy.

[RobertEarl]

17. That's a load of crap

First, not all the votes are in.

Second, I doubt 5% of the voters have voted for Hillary. So to say 5% is democracy is >>> see headline.

You should not repeat it again. In fact you should delete your load of crap so as to not embarrass yourself further?

[Bleacher Creature]

34. You can keep making up new metrics, but it changes nothing.

Clinton won a large majority of the people who voted in the Democratic primary, using the process that Sanders agreed to by virtue of running as a Democrat. That's how a candidate is determined. How that somehow relates to the overall population is irrelevant to the question of whether the process was fair and democratic.

He lost, and there aren't enough votes left between now and the end of the primary to change the result.

[RobertEarl]

41. You claimed democracy

And I called you on that clearly stating that it is not really democracy. Then you go on to say that your supposed idea of democracy is irrelevant.

Which leads me to believe you don't really believe in democracy. That maybe you don't even understand what democracy really means? Well, do you know what democracy means?

[Bleacher Creature]

43. Thanks for teaching me about democracy.

Still not sure how it means that the guy with fewer votes and fewer delegates gets to claim victory, but it was super fun nonetheless.

[RobertEarl]

46. Bad attitude you have

You can't even back your own words.

The party rules are not aligned well with democracy. It is a contrived system. A system based on a mere small fraction of the population actually casting a vote. The whole set up is not democracy based. Not even the vote is, and that is my point. Votes were severely limited and the system was rigged, that is Bernie's point.

You may not favor Bernie, but to throw out democracy just so your favored one can win, is not believing in real democracy. But as we have shown, the system as gamed is not either.

So to complain that Bernie is playing by the rules, while complaining about the lack of real democracy, while you sit there and say democracy has been served, is hypocritical.

So your claim about the democracy being served is null and void, and you should stop saying it has been.

[brush]

71. We don't actual have a democracy — try republic

But whatever term is used, Sanders has come in second.

[AlbertCat]

89. We don't actual have a democracy — try republic

How very Teaparty of you to say so!

BTW.... a republic simply means you have a representational government (which we really don't have right now)

HOW you choose these reps can vary. The military can choose them (not Democratic).... Religious leaders can choose them (also not Democratic) rich people can choose them (not there either) the party can choose them (still not democratic), citizens vote for them (Democracy!)

[thereismore]

86. How did I miss you? Another one bor the bin! nt

[procon]

9. I knew it! He's going to create a riot and take the whole damn party down with him.

He's becoming increasingly bitter and unhinged as the numbers tighten and the odds against him go up. Hillary has tried to appease him but its not enough, so he'll retaliate for losing by making a big scene to damage as many Democrats as he can.

[arcane1]

12. Post 4 applies to you as well

[Hydra]

18. Terror! Fear the Bern!

These are the people who are supposedly going to "Fight Trump"...anyone else feeling underwhelmed?

[arcane1]

21. They'd fight their way out of a wet paper bag by saying "I know you are but what am I?" to the bag.

[procon]

38. He wants to be president, we should take his predictions seriously.

Sanders is becoming increasingly unhinged. Deny him at your peril. The press is already having a field day with his predictions.

[LiberalElite]

35. "Hillary has tried to appease him" -

in which parallel universe?

[thereismore]

87. Another one for the bin. Precious party... nt

[silvershadow]

16. Sounds like he is saying exactly what needs to be said. He's probably anticipating

the shock and outrage at the likely (read certain) shenanigans by the HRC camp, a la Nevada.

[iandhr]

29. MATH IS HARD FOR SANDERS CAMPAIGN- NV DEMS

Conspiracy theories are much more fun.



http://nvdems.com/press/math-is-hard-for-sanders-campaign/

His people didn't turn up

[silvershadow]

32. I see you worked that "conspiracy theory" meme into yet another headline. Kudos.

[blackspade]

92. They did turn up.

But were denied along with some Clinton delegates for some reason that has not been clearly explained or demonstrated.

[Thor_MN]

20. What is this "voices heard" bullshit?

People had their voice heard ( or will be heard in states yet to go) in their state caucus or primary.

This "voices heard" crap is no different than McConnell holding up Obama's SCOTUS nomination.

[jwirr]

73. Thor you are from MN. As a delegate I have attended the

caucus where my voice was heard. I have also attended two conventions where our caucus votes were upheld. And we were allowed at that last one to elect our own delegates to go to the national convention. So far all is fair on that detail.

We will see what happens at the state convention here in MN.

But I have some real problems with some other aspects of our political system. At these conventions which are run mostly by Hillary supporters we also elect the committees that run the party for the next year. At the two conventions I attended 3 Hillary supporters and no Bernie supporters selected the slate of candidates. No one knew who they were or what they thought about the candidates. There was no opposing slate and they were voted to win on a voice vote.

In other words not one damned thing is going to change in the party. Which is really interesting because the speakers who were all talking Bernie issues were getting standing ovations. So if they were so happy about what their elected officials had to say did the Bernie delegates get ignored?

This is what will cause the messy convention in Philly. Things like a platform committee with 5 Bernie delegates, 6 Hillary candidates and 4 delegates selected by DWS. What exactly is DWS doing in there at all. I also wonder if they ever allowed any Bernie delegates on the rules committee?

I am 74 years old and I have never seen such cheating in all the years I have been part of this party. I am thoroughly disillusioned. This is NOT the Democratic Party I have known since 1945.

Messy - damned right I wish I could be there because I want my party back.

[JohnnyRingo]

27. Oh oh... Maybe we better appoint him so there's no trouble.

Hahahaha... screw you Sanders.

I have a feeling he's going to retire after this failed run.

[underthematrix]

36. LAWD! twitter is serving Bernie some serious HARD tea

from a very diverse group and I'm retweeting all of it

[BeyondGeography]

37. Rumsfeldian

[CrowCityDem]

40. Yeah, who cares if we look awful on TV for an entire week. Moron.

[onehandle]

42. Anyone who could make it 'messy' will never see the inside of the convention.

I live here and have contact with the convention.

Trust me.

[LenaBaby61]

45. Thank you for....

Your input.

I certainly hope things don't get messy.

[msongs]

44. bernie threatens the convention. whatta guy. evidently aligning with fox news is not sufficient nt

[PBass]

47. I remember when DU was outraged because Jon Soltz lost the OH primary to Sherrod Brown.

Only Jon Soltz was a true liberal! Sherrod Brown was going to be a disaster in the Senate!

Turns out Sherrod Brown is one of the most liberal senators we have. He's awesome.

It was a similar story when Al Franken ran for Senate. He was a 3rd Way triangulator, etc etc. Turns out he is a reliably liberal voice in the Senate.

I think we will be fine if Hillary is president. Especially if we can get some additional Democrats into the Congress. The idea that ONLY Bernie Sanders is liberal enough to be a good Democratic president is patently false.

Lets get the money out of politics, that will go a long way towards solving our problems.

[jwirr]

78. So you think that Hillary is going to get the money out of

politics? The candidate who along with the DNC who made a deal with 32 states before the primary even began to collect money from Big Donors and give it to the Clinton Victory Fund and the DNC which would use it for Clinton. So far the states have received only 1% of that money to use for down ticket candidates. This deal with the states allowed Hillary to take even more BIG MONEY for her campaign.

Bernie refused to be a part of this because he has already gotten big money out of politics. Those of us who are Bernie supporters are donating to candidates outside of the DNC. We want to have control of who our money goes to support.

[retrowire]

48. I'm with Bernie.

This has been a very, very messy primary filled with all sorts of corrupt shit.

Hillary is in a dead heat with Trump and dropping...

I'm sorry Hillary supporters, you need to jump off of that sinking ship before you take us all down with you.

[berniebroski]

50. exactly

Won't release Wall Street speeches ( if you have to wonder why, smh)
Clinton Foundation bringing in money from the Middle East
Proponent of failed neocon foreign policy.

no one who is anti war should be backing her. If she were running against Cruz it would be a wash but ironically she has found herself right of Drumpf on these issues.

[McKim]

62. Thanks for This

Yes, foreign policy blunders by Hillary have gotten little play in this primary elections. It needs to be said over and over again that she will repeat a failed Neoliberal foreign policy.

[Cryptoad]

49. Thump that Chest while u can , Bern...... lmao

[complain jane]

52. Losing respect fast for this guy.

And if his douchebaggery ushers in a Trump presidency I'm going to start screaming and I'm not going to stop.

[harun]

75. Picking the nominee that polls much worse against Trump may also have something to do with it.

[thereismore]

88. Another one for the bin. Bye. nt

[kayakjohnny]

60. Really?

The whole fucking process is messy!

Who gives a rat's ass at this point?

Let it be messy.

Let it be a complete train wreck.

Who couldn't see this coming?

[RogueTrooper]

66. I doubt anything too bad will happen

Sorry to be the voice of reason and harmony here but...

These statements should be views through the optics of a campaign in the last stages of campaigning. I think things will be a lot calmer by the time of the convention. The primaries will be over and the healing will have started.

[Purveyor]

67. If anywhere, it will be in Cleveland. nt

[RogueTrooper]

68. Let's hope

As long as we can tar and feather enough of the up-for-reelection Republicans with the taint of Trump there is i still a chance of some WWE type entertainment.

[harun]

74. Stick with it Bernie. Only way to get Progressive change.

[JNelson6563]

79. Nice convention ya got here...it'd be a shame

if something happened to it.

I have been neutral throughout this primary but this graceless finale is so counter-productive as change a lot of minds in that respect.

Those claims of a "revolution" and a movement begin to ring hollow as it becomes increadingly apparent resources will be aimed at disruptive instead of constructive efforts. Disappointing to say the least.

Julie

[blackspade]

81. Oh, the Clintonites won't like that!

Upsetting the establishment is not permitted.
We must all be good little bobble heads.

[Helen Borg]

82. Wait for the Clinton News Network report now!

"Bernie threatens to roughen up opponents!"

[Don Draper]

90. I hope it gets messy

Progressives are tired of getting rolled over by the third way establishment. Change only occurs through conflict and struggle.

[marble falls]

93. It needs to be messier.