Japan, South Korea agree on visit to Fukushima nuclear plant ahead of planned water release
Source: AP
By MARI YAMAGUCHI today
Japanese and South Korean officials held hourslong talks into early Saturday and agreed on a visit later this month by South Korean experts to the Fukushima nuclear plant before it begins the controversial release of treated but radioactive water into the sea. The safety of the water is a major sticking point as the two sides work to improve long-strained ties.
Discussions were held Friday in Seoul and online, in which the Japanese government also provided an update on the status of the tsunami-wrecked Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. Officials are preparing to release the water, saying its an unavoidable step for the decommissioning process.
Japans Foreign Ministry, after a nearly 12-hour meeting that ran past midnight, issued a statement early Saturday saying the two sides agreed to have a four-day visit by a South Korean delegation to Japan that includes a Fukushima nuclear plant tour, and that further details, including its program need to be finalized.
The government and the plants operator, Tokyo Electric Power Company Holdings, say the water release will begin between spring and summer and take decades to finish.
Read more: https://apnews.com/article/japan-south-korea-fukushima-nuclear-water-release-2ae706b9f95c55208683a6c807f22b9c
Irish_Dem
(61,353 posts)Lasher
(28,532 posts)Sooner or later a tsunami is going to come along.
womanofthehills
(9,430 posts)of a shuttered nuclear generating station, The Guardian reports.
The waste is buried about 100 feet from the shoreline, according to The Guardian, near one of the busiest highways and next to a fault line that could generate an earthquake. The Guardian reports the site could be exposed from erosion. https://thehill.com/changing-america/resilience/natural-disasters/569374-millions-of-pounds-of-dangerous-nuclear-waste/
JudyM
(29,537 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)they could - if they had the motivation - build massive numbers of decontamination units. They've been running a few, and it works. But that's really expensive, and dumping it into the ocean is practically free.
But here's the other problem: they're never going to run out of contaminated water. In essence what they're saying is, "we give up, we're washing our hands of this mess we made. Just going to have to let nature and physics take their courses."
Bayard
(24,151 posts)Except, it doesn't stay THERE.
NickB79
(19,711 posts)The amount of radiation in the water is lower than the radiation currently in the environment around Chernobyl, and that area is a wildlife sanctuary.
If anything, these water releases protect marine life off the Japanese coast. The fear of radiation keeps fishermen at bay, in the same way fear of radiation keeps farmers, loggers and hunters out of Chernobyl. Similarly, the area around Fukushima is now itself a wildlife haven. Humans kill FAR more animals than radiation ever could.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/dec-11-sounds-of-a-coral-reef-the-message-in-young-blood-ants-communicate-with-vomit-and-more-1.6280034/study-finds-wildlife-in-fukushima-s-exclusion-zone-show-no-signs-of-radiation-damage-1.6280038
The most disturbing thing we've learned over the years about nuclear meltdowns is that normal daily human activity we all take for granted is actually more devastating then a blown, liquified reactor core.
hunter
(39,146 posts)I'd rather be a slightly radioactive living fish than a dead fish on someone's dinner plate.
If Chernobyl taught us anything it's that humans going about their ordinary business are worse for the natural environment than the very worst possible sort of nuclear accident.
NNadir
(34,962 posts)Oh I know why, because coal plants continuously without stop release deadly materials whenever they operate normally, so people are lulled by ordinary experience into a deadly lull.
Air pollution kills 7 million people every year. (Nuclear power prevents air pollution.)
The electricity expended by people carrying on using their computers, overwhelmingly generated by the use of dangerous fossil fuel power plants, which release deadly waste whenever they operate - although no one gives a rat's ass how many people are killed by dangerous fossil fuel waste - will almost surely kill more people than the tritium in the seawater about to be released at Fukushima.
This number can be reasonably be expected to be around the the same death toll from the rest of the reactor's radioactive releases over the last 12 years of antinuke hysterical thrills - roughly zero.
womanofthehills
(9,430 posts)Report: The U.S. Military Emits More CO2 Than Many Industrialized Nations
In 2019, a report released by Durham and Lancaster University found the US military to be one of the largest climate polluters in history, consuming more liquid fuels and emitting more CO2e (carbon-dioxide equivalent) than most countries. It established that if the US military were a nation state, it would be the 47th largest emitter of greenhouse gases (GHG) in the world. These figures were from taking into account the emissions from fuel usage alone.
https://earth.org/us-military-pollution/
Kid Berwyn
(18,705 posts)A little bit goes a long way.
News Coverage of Fukushima Disaster Found Lacking
American University sociologists new research finds few reports identified health risks to public
By Rebecca Basu
American University, March 10, 2015
Four years after the 2011 Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster, the disaster no longer dominates U.S. news headlines, though the disabled plant continues to pour three tons of radioactive water into the ocean each day. Homes, schools and businesses in the Japanese prefecture are uninhabitable, and will likely be so forever. Yet the U.S. media has dropped the story while public risks remain.
A new analysis by American University sociology professor Celine Marie Pascale finds that U.S. news media coverage of the disaster largely minimized health risks to the general population. Pascale analyzed more than 2,000 news articles from four major U.S. outlets following the disaster's occurrence March 11, 2011 through the second anniversary on March 11, 2013. [font color="green"]Only 6 percent of the coverage129 articlesfocused on health risks to the public in Japan or elsewhere. Human risks were framed, instead, in terms of workers in the disabled nuclear plant.[/font color]
Disproportionate access
"It's shocking to see how few articles discussed risk to the general population, and when they did, they typically characterized risk as low," said Pascale, who studies the social construction of risk and meanings of risk in the 21st century. "We see articles in prestigious news outlets claiming that radioactivity from cosmic rays and rocks is more dangerous than the radiation emanating from the collapsing Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant."
Pascale studied news articles, editorials, and letters from two newspapers, The Washington Postand The New York Times, and two nationally prominent online news sites, Politico and The Huffington Post. These four media outlets are not only among the most prominent in the United States, they are also among the most cited by television news and talk shows, by other newspapers and blogs and are often taken up in social media, Pascale said. In this sense, she added, understanding how risk is constructed in media gives insight into how national concerns and conversations get framed.
Pascale's analysis identified three primary ways in which the news outlets minimized the risk posed by radioactive contamination to the general population. Articles made comparisons to mundane, low-level forms of radiation;defined the risks as unknowable, given the lack of long-term studies; and largely excluded concerns expressed by experts and residents who challenged the dominant narrative.
The research shows that corporations and government agencies had disproportionate access to framing the event in the media, Pascale says. Even years after the disaster, government and corporate spokespersons constituted the majority of voices published. News accounts about local impactfor example, parents organizing to protect their children from radiation in school luncheswere also scarce.
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SOURCE with Links: http://www.american.edu/media/news/20150310-Fukushima.cfm
A lot of money riding on using nuclear power to boil water.
NNadir
(34,962 posts)...that climate change, the death of about 80 million people from air pollution since Fukushima and the destruction of the planetary atmosphere didn't matter, because Fukushima plutonium killed the entire planet.
The intellectual and moral vapidity boggles the imagination.
Congrats Antinukes:
Death by climate change
How hot weather kills: the rising public health dangers of extreme heat
City-level impact of extreme temperatures and mortality in Latin America
While people who have never opened a science book in their lives had plutonium fetishes, the whole fucking planet burst into flames.
In this respect, antinukes are exactly like antivaxxers, carrying on, irrespective of how many people their ignorance kills, with exactly that, their ignorance. Antivaxxers of course, haven't killed anywhere near as many people. Air pollution kills about 18,000 people a day, and has been doing so for decades.
I, of course, do open science books, and have written about plutonium (geo)chemistry in response to one of the many people here who just don't give a shit about human life or the future of the planet: 828 Underground Nuclear Tests, Plutonium Migration in Nevada, Dunning, Kruger, Strawmen, and Tunnels
Of course, suggesting an antinuke read anything with references to the primary scientific literature is rather like asking Robert F. Kennedy to open a book about virology.
Kid Berwyn
(18,705 posts)Heres why I brought it up:
DOE-STD-1128-98
Guide of Good Practices for Occupational Radiological Protection in Plutonium Facilities
EXCERPT...
4.2.3 Characteristics of Plutonium Contamination
There are few characteristics of plutonium contamination that are unique. Plutonium
contamination may be in many physical and chemical forms. (See Section 2.0 for the many
potential sources of plutonium contamination from combustion products of a plutonium fire
to radiolytic products from long-term storage.) [font color="blue"]The one characteristic that many believe is
unique to plutonium is its ability to migrate with no apparent motive force. Whether from
alpha recoil or some other mechanism, plutonium contamination, if not contained or
removed, will spread relatively rapidly throughout an area. [/font color]
SOURCE (PDF file format): http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2013/07/f2/doe-std-1128-98_cn2.pdf
The link above is kaput. Heres an archived copy:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170218203802/https://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2013/07/f2/doe-std-1128-98_cn2.pdf
NNadir
(34,962 posts)...how Fukushima is the worst disaster ever and dumb references to links placed by people who don't open science books.
Now, antinukes burning coal to wander insipidly to find such links, have been doing so since I've been here, for over 20 years.
In the last 20 years, the concentration of the dangerous fossil fuel waste in the planetary atmosphere rose by over 50 ppm. Over 140 million people died from air pollution.
None of these people - they tend to show up and vanish regularly but there is very little difference between them - have ever given a shit about climate change; they do not care how many people die from fossil fuels; there's not one among them who even understands what, for example, PM2.5 is, or when a dibenzofuran is, things that actually kill people while plutonium, doesn't.
If I am expected to credit links from some barely literate sociologist at American University - reported by a journalist who obviously never passed a college physical science course with a grade of C or better - about the big, big, big, gigantic, super duper, incredibly terrifying fate of plutonium at Fukushima three, I cannot really be asked to take it seriously, can I?
A team of medical, epidemiological and other scientists far better educated than some dumb shit sociologist at American University who antinukes think important has recorded the death toll of risks on a planetary scale.
I link it often, and of course, people carrying on about Fukushima plutonium couldn't be diverted from their insipid obsessions long enough to read serious literature, but no matter:
Here is what it says about air pollution deaths in the 2019 Global Burden of Disease Survey, if one is too busy to open it oneself because one is too busy carrying on about Fukushima:
Now, I'm fully aware that there are people with educations so poor that they think that mentioning the world "plutonium" should incite homicidal paroxysms of fear and ignorance - and that's what they are, homicidal, since nuclear energy saves lives - just as there are people who think the word "vaccine" should inspire homicidal paroxysms of fear and ignorance.
Like I say, antinukes have killed more people than antivaxxers, as the above referenced account clearly shows.
I spend my life in the primary scientific literature, both for my professional life as well as for my concern about the state of the environment. If working at serious accumulation of knowledge results in being classified as "condescending" I really can't help it.
I cannot hold any respect for anyone carrying on about Fukushima as if it outweighs the destruction of the planetary atmosphere.
Do I make myself clear?
Kid Berwyn
(18,705 posts)While they dont address my question, it gave you a chance to write:
I cannot hold any respect for anyone carrying on about Fukushima as if it outweighs the destruction of the planetary atmosphere.
Glad you are a scientist scribe. Still, you dont know anything about me. Except were on Democratic Underground. We believe, or at least I do, that we are equals.
Heres why I have a problem with people who think they are better than others:
Children Were Radiation Subjects, Data Shows :
Experiments: The federal government and its contractors also used prisoners and psychiatric patients in testing from 1945 to the mid-1970s.
BY KELLY OWEN
FEB. 10, 1995 12 , Los Angeles Times
WASHINGTON A graduate student at the University of Rochester fed radioactive milk to children, one of whom developed thyroid cancer, while other researchers injected radioactive material into psychiatric patients in San Francisco and prisoners at San Quentin, according to new data about government radiation experiments.
The findings, released Thursday, detail 100 human radiation experiments conducted by the federal government and its contractors at government labs, universities and public and private hospitals between 1945 and the mid-1970s.
The report adds to a growing body of information that the department has made public since December, 1993, when Energy Secretary Hazel OLeary disclosed the existence of the experiments and announced a broad investigation to determine their nature and extent.
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The 100 experiments detailed Thursday are included in a group of 154 such tests conducted on 9,000 subjects. An earlier report described the other 54 experiments.
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Many of the experiments used very small amounts of radioactive material, intended to map where the material goes in the body without doing damage, said Bill LeFurgy, deputy director of the radiation office. But the amount that can be judged safe is hotly disputed, he said.
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https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-02-10-mn-30398-story.html
And the fascists are always looking for scientists.
NNadir
(34,962 posts)I know that like antivaxxers they hate and despise science and of course scientists, and of course that they don't give a shit about human life or about the closely related issue of climate change.
As a scientist I know the type. They became better known as a type during the Covid event, but I've been aware of this type for many decades in the form of antinukes.
In general, they imagine that if anyone any where at any time is exposed to radiation, a subject about which, given their contempt for science they know zero, it is therefore acceptable for hundreds of millions to die from fossil fuels, which they do continuously without stop as pointed out in the "stats," from the provided reference met with total indifference.
Of course I don't know the details of who these people are, and I really don't want to know more about them. They're generic, unintersting and useless.
I'm far more interested in the lives of ethical people who are trying to save what's left to save, and restore what can be restored.
It's always startling to hear from the preternaturally obsessive that I should be interested in their depressing lives. I'm not.
My position is that ignorance kills people, and say what one may about me, I care about human life.
Kid Berwyn
(18,705 posts)This is from Canada
How much plutonium does it take
to overdose a person?
Excerpt
We feel compelled to point out that, although the probability of a severe accident that would release plutonium to the atmosphere is admittedly small, the potential health and environmental consequences of such an accident can be serious due to the extraordinary toxicity of plutonium when inhaled.
It is for this reason alone that the United States of America has made it illegal to transport plutonium by air in US territory. Such a prohibition does not exist for any other radioactive material.
Atomic Energy of Canada Limited has admitted, in documents submitted to Transport Canada, that in four out of eight categories of serious road transportation accidents, the MOX containers would be completely destroyed and a plume of plutonium dust would be spread downwind to a distance of about 80 kilometers.
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Industry and government spokespersons have insisted that 120 grams of plutonium is too small an amount to raise legitimate health and environmental concerns. They have made the irrelevant observation that 120 grams of plutonium is about the size of two A-A batteries.
Such remarks are manipulative in nature; they do not help people to weigh the risk. The important quantity is not the VOLUME or MASS of plutonium, but its TOXICITY. Based on data supplied by AECB (see letter above) we can address the toxicity question as follows:
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http://www.ccnr.org/max_plute_aecb.html
One-tenth of a microgram of plutonium, a microscopic amount, attached to a dust particle, is lethal. Tons of mixed plutonium-uranium oxide fuel rods were stored at Fukushima Reactor 3, all exposed to the environment when the containment building exploded.
hunter
(39,146 posts)When I first started posting on DU I was a little less radical, but still on the anti-nuclear side of the fence.
I thought renewable energy could save the world.
Alas that experiment has been done and the numbers are in. It's clear that aggressive renewable energy schemes in places like California, Denmark, and Germany have failed. They're not economically viable without substantial fossil fuel inputs, especially natural gas. No amount of hand waving about batteries, hydrogen, pumped hydro, or any other energy storage scheme changes that. It has to do with thermodynamics. Human laws and creative accounting can't change that.
California, for example, already has many gigawatts of solar panels, wind turbines, and energy storage schemes. You can subtract fossil fuels out of California's energy mix and model any sort of renewable energy utopia you like. None of them look good, none of them scaled up can support eight billion people.
If we don't quit fossil fuels now billions of humans are going to suffer and die because of global warming.
It's not much better if we switch to fully "renewable" energy sources. Billions of people would suffer and die, mostly for lack of food, clean water, and adequate shelter.
We've worked ourselves into a corner. Eight billion humans are dependent on high density energy sources for food, shelter... our very survival. Most of that energy now comes from fossil fuels.
The only energy resource capable of displacing fossil fuels entirely, which we must do, is nuclear power.
Claiming that renewable energy will save the world is just another flavor of climate change denial.
Many of the arguments I hear from renewable energy enthusiasts remind me of the arguments I hear from Creationists. These arguments somehow make sense to the creationist, but they make no sense to anyone living outside their bubble.
For many of the anti-nuclear activists I used to work with, some of them I'm still in occasional contact with, their activism was essentially a religious belief. Atomic bombs and atomic power were the apple in the garden of Eden that Satan was tempting mankind with.
It might not be coincidence that I first met Helen Caldicott when I was an impressionable (and slightly psychotic teen) in the community room of a Lutheran church. That's how I fell in with an anti-nuclear crowd. They could use a university library researcher and dumpster diver. I loved university libraries and dumpsters.
Like any otherwise sane human I abhor nuclear weapons. I remember as a kid the cold war nuclear drills, diving under our desks when the alarm went off with our butts facing the windows, ready to kiss our asses good-bye. I'm glad my children only knew the fire and earthquake drills. The earthquake drills were similar to the cold war drills, but you got to leave the classroom when the shaking stopped. When I was teaching we had a big earthquake, and we spent most of the rest of the day out on the playground until the buildings had been inspected for serious damage. That wouldn't have been the case if the USSR had dropped a bomb on us. My students and my children didn't worry about "The Bomb" as I had as a kid. There is some sanity in the world, all these years since Fat Man.
As I've said, I've changed my mind about nuclear power. In a world where toxic wastes of every kind imaginable, most with a half life of fucking FOREVER, I'm not going to worry about a little plutonium unaccounted for amidst the horrific death toll of a tsunami. I'm absolutely certain worse shit was spilled in the tsunami, carcinogens and mutagens of all sorts, but it was the kind of familiar shit we ignore in our daily lives.
Kid Berwyn
(18,705 posts)Fukushima Daiichi meltdowns released particulates with plutonium
A new study reveals particles that were released from nuclear plants damaged in the devastating 2011 Tohoku earthquake and tsunami contained small amounts of radioactive plutonium.
BY KYUSHU UNIVERSITY
STANFORD EARTH MATTERSENERGY,HUMAN DIMENSIONS AND SUSTAINABILITY
July 16, 2020
Nearly ten years after meltdown at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant caused a nuclear disaster, researchers have uncovered important new information about the extent and severity of the meltdown and the distribution patterns of the plutonium that have broad implications for understanding the mobility of plutonium during a nuclear accident.
According to a paper published July 8 in Science of the Total Environment, microscopic particles emitted during the disaster contained not only high concentrations of radioactive cesium, as previously reported, but also the toxic metal plutonium. These microscopic radioactive particles formed inside the Fukushima reactors when the melting nuclear fuel interacted with the reactors structural concrete.
The study used an extraordinary array of analytical techniques in order to complete the description of the particles at the atomic-scale, said Rod Ewing, co-director of the Center for International Security and Cooperation (CISAC) at Stanford University.
Ewing collaborated with researchers from Kyushu University, University of Tsukuba, Tokyo Institute of Technology, National Institute of Polar Research, University of Helsinki, Paul Scherrer Institute, Diamond Light Source and SUBATECH (IMT Atlantique, CNRS, University of Nantes).
The researchers found that, due to loss of containment in the reactors, the particles were released into the atmosphere and many were then deposited many miles from the reactor sites. Studies have shown that the cesium-rich microparticles, or CsMPs, are highly radioactive and primarily composed of glass (with silica from concrete) and radio-cesium (a volatile fission product formed in the reactors). But the environmental impact and their distribution is still an active subject of research and debate. The new work offers a much-needed insight into the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant (FDNPP) meltdowns.
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https://earth.stanford.edu/news/fukushima-daiichi-meltdowns-released-particulates-plutonium
Im a Democrat. I think I deserve a vote and a voice in matters involving plutonium.
hunter
(39,146 posts).
Kid Berwyn
(18,705 posts)She went public to express concerns over plutonium safety at the Kerr-McGee plant where she worked.
KAREN SILKWOOD
UAW News, November 12, 2018
On Nov. 13, 1974, one of the most famous whistleblowers of all time was killed in what is now believed a company-supported murder when she died in a car accident after exposing wrongdoing at a plutonium plant where she worked.
28-year old Karen Silkwood was a Kerr-McGee plutonium plant technician in Oklahoma City and a member of her unions health and safety committee (Oil, Chemical and Atomic Workers Union, OCAW). Two months before her death, she went to the federal Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) to report dangerous levels of radioactivity at the plant when monitors showed she had radiation contamination.
After testifying before the AEC, Silkwood was working November 5, polishing plutonium pellets for nuclear power plant fuel rods when a radiation detector went off. It indicated her right was arm was covered in plutonium and that it had come from the inside of her work gloves, or from her arm and hand, and not from plutonium exposure. Doctors performed further tests and the results showed high levels of radioactive contamination in her body and the apartment she shared with a co-worker, but it was inconclusive how the radioactivity got in her body at such high levels.
On the night of her death, she was driving to meet with a union representative and a New York Times reporter when she hit a concrete culvert. She had with her paperwork showing the companys safety negligence, paperwork that was missing from the car after the accident. There was no explanation for the crash and she was dead almost instantly. Investigators found she had taken a large dose of Quaaludes before driving. But they also found skid marks and an unexplained dent in her rear bumper, strongly suggesting she was driven off the road by another driver. After she was killed an autopsy showed she had mysteriously ingested plutonium.
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https://uaw.org/karen-silkwood/
I'm pretty sure you remember her story, hunter, but I bet many newer DUers -- and almost all Americans born since 1974 -- have no idea about her or what happened to her.
To me, the real questions are: Who would silence a whistleblower by murder and why?
NickB79
(19,711 posts)Since your article is 8 yrs old, do you expect an imminent outbreak of radiation poisoning?
Kid Berwyn
(18,705 posts)The upper side of the unit 3 reactor building at Fukushima Daiichi was damaged by a hydrogen explosion. This area housed the spent fuel pool and the fuel handling machines. (Courtesy: TEPCO)
Physics World, 20 Jul 2020
Tiny fragments of plutonium may have been carried more than 200 km by caesium particles released following the meltdown at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in Japan in 2011. So says an international group of scientists that has made detailed studies of soil samples at sites close to the damaged reactors. The researchers say the findings shed new light on conditions inside the sealed-off reactors and should aid the plants decommissioning.
The disaster at Fukushima occurred after a magnitude-9 earthquake struck off the north-east coast of Japan and sent a 14 m-high tsunami crashing over the plants seawalls. With low-lying back-up generators knocked out, the sites three operating reactors overheated and melted down. At the same time, hot steam reacted with the zirconium cladding of the nuclear fuel, generating hydrogen gas that exploded when it escaped from containment.
Caesium is a volatile fission product created in nuclear fuel. During the Fukushima meltdown, it combined with silica gas created when melting fuel and other reactor materials interacted with the concrete below the damaged reactor vessel. The resulting glass particles, known as caesium-rich microparticles (CsMPs), measure a few microns or tens of microns across.
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Utsunomiya and co-workers also used mass spectrometry to measure the relative abundance of different plutonium and uranium isotopes within the microparticles. They found that three ratios uranium-235 to uranium-238, as well as plutonium-239 compared to both plutonium-240 and -242 all agreed with calculations of the proportions that would have been present in the fuel at the time of the disaster. This agreement, coupled with the fact that the measured amount of uranium-238 was nearly two orders of magnitude greater than would be the case if it had simply evaporated from the melted fuel, led them to conclude that the uranium and plutonium existed as discrete fuel particles within the CsMPs.
Implications for decommissioning
The researchers note that previous studies have shown that plutonium and caesium are distributed differently in the extended area around Fukushima, which suggests that not all CsMPs contain plutonium. However, they say that the fact plutonium is found in some of these particles implies that it could have been transported as far afield as the caesium up to 230 km from the Fukushima plant.
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https://physicsworld.com/a/fukushima-may-have-scattered-plutonium-widely/
So. Thats only three years old. Bet a lot of people have never seen it before.
NickB79
(19,711 posts)From the hundreds of nuclear warhead tests done in that timeframe.
The volume of plutonium released from Fukushima, largely diluted into ocean water, is a tiny fraction of all the plutonium we're so far released in the 20th century. It's not something we should be ok with, but neither is it somehow a threat to, well, almost anyone.
Martinez8889
(10 posts)JAPPANNNnn.....