Trump Says That if He Loses, 'the Jewish People Would Have a Lot to Do' With It

[speak easy]

Source: New York Times

Former President Donald J. Trump, speaking on Thursday at a campaign event in Washington centered on denouncing antisemitism in America, said that “if I don’t win this election,” then “the Jewish people would have a lot to do with a loss.”

Mr. Trump repeated that assertion at a second event, this one focused on Israeli Americans, where he blamed Jews whom he described as “voting for the enemy,” for the hypothetical destruction of Israel that he insisted would happen if he lost in November.

Mr. Trump on Thursday offered an extended airing of grievances against Jewish Americans who have not voted for him. He repeated his denunciation of Jews who vote for Democrats before suggesting that the Democratic Party had a “hold, or curse,” on Jewish Americans and that he should be getting “100 percent” of Jewish votes because of his policies on Israel.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/19/us/politics/trump-jews-antisemitism-israel.html

[AZ8theist]

1. "The Jewish people"?????

You know damn well he had a different word he wanted to say labeling the "Jewish people"

We all know it.

[RockRaven]

2. The bigotry and incitement to violence aimed at his intended audience

superficially and out of context sounds like praise to most others. I would tip my hat to anyone and everyone who "had a lot to do with" that greasy orange reeking sack of crap losing again. Or I would to the extent that it were true anyway.

[Aussie105]

3. Is this Trump preparing for defeat by making a list of all the groups he will need to blame?

Add Jewish people to an already long list.
(Their collective numbers are legion and growing by the day.)

He lacks the personal insight into WHY a specific demographic might prefer to NOT see him in the White House again.
And those surrounding him are too chicken to tell him.

He will be dragged off to the loony bin screaming words of 'not my fault!'

[Attilatheblond]

33. All the groups he wants his idiot cult to intimidate into not voting so he might pull off a win

He needs bail withdrawn, a gag order against inciting. Or a ball gag.

[BaronChocula]

4. Well this guy seems totally reasonable

I'm sure the polls must reflect him as being fairly competitive.

(I hate having to label posts as sarcasm, but when I don't it seems to cause confusion)

[Aussie105]

7. Your sarcasm is duly noted.

But I know where Trump goes wrong.

He gets out of bed every day. And opens his mouth.

[90-percent]

53. Sarcasm

Use this on DU all the time. Most useful emoji on DU!

- 90% Jimmy

[BaronChocula]

64. I've been avoiding it

You can probably relate; if you have to label it...

But I may have to take that extreme measure.

And thanks for the suggestion.

[Marcuse]

81. Unlabeled clever sarcasm can too easily be mistaken for a right wing talking point.

[jfz9580m]

84. I avoid it too

I prefer the rolling eyes or silly emoticon when I am being sarcastic.

[OilemFirchen]

5. Okay, then.

Glad to be of service.

[Aussie105]

10. Don't you just hate it when . . .

People talk about a group as a homogeneous lot, like they have a collective hive mind and no independence of individual thought and decision making?

It's like asking one Jewish-American person what they think of gefilte fish, then assume all Jewish-American people think the same.
As if! Dumb thinking.

Happens too often.

[JudyM]

91. It's a matter of tikkun olam, after all.

[OilemFirchen]

93. It's the 615th Mitzvot, after all:

"Not to vote for a creeping creature, lest you become one."

(Mitzvot 614 states 'To always give your Grandmother the chicken neck, because she insists she really likes it, and isn't feigning martyrdom, so stop saying that.')

[JudyM]

94. Lol

The gawgle. My mother actually does like it.

[OilemFirchen]

95. Of course she does.

The craving has had some thousands of years to become a genetic mutation.

If you have kids, are you prepared to replace your mom's duty in her absence? FTR, mine passed four years ago. Out of the corner of my eye, I can see her finger dramatically shaking every time one goes in the trash.

[JudyM]

96. I can imagine that.

[oasis]

6. Calling Mariam Adelson. Give back your medal.

[PSPS]

8. Has he started using the K word? Maybe the Y word? The H word? Is this his Archie Bunker act?

[moniss]

13. Most likely when he is

in private he never stopped using them.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. Unfortunately it's not an act, and his cultists don't perceive it as an act either

They are blissed-out to have a leader of a major party who hates the same people they hate.

[patphil]

9. There are 665 thousand Jewish American voters in Florida.

Trump only got 30% of the Jewish vote nationally in 2020. You'd think he would want to improve his percentage in Florida. 30% of 665 thousand is about 200 thousand votes. He could lose a lot of that vote with his head-up-rectum rhetoric.
Every vote he loses would most likely go into the Harris/Walz total, so if he lost 75K more votes on the Republican side this November, it would be a gain of 75K votes on the Democratic side, or a shift of 150K votes.
It's really stupid of him to blow off all the Jewish voters like he's doing.
And that doesn't include the votes he would lose in NY, NJ, and CA. But then those states are already deep blue. But it could cost the Republicans a few seats in the House, and possibly Rick Scott's seat in the Senate, but what does he care about that.

https://ajpp.brandeis.edu/documents/2020/nationalprofileofthejewishelectoratein2020.pdf

[Aussie105]

11. "It's really stupid of him to blow off all the Jewish voters like he's doing."

A cornered rat will bite you, even if you want to help.

Trump sounds desperate.

Doesn't realize he lost the ability to bully people into conforming to his World View quite a while ago.

Lost his (imaginary and fake) mojo.

He is now a stale and boring act.

He will be relegated to the political scrap heap - if not jail.
Hopefully, both.

[thesquanderer]

24. It can cost him swing states. Jews may only be 1% of a state's population, yet still be enough to flip a close state.

e.g. from https://forward.com/news/653823/election-2024-jewish-vote-swing-states/

Arizona has 85,000 Jewish voters, and 55% of them are Democrats, compared to 44% of voters statewide. In 2020, President Joe Biden beat Trump here by fewer than 11,000 votes. Jewish voters could be a critical factor in the 2024 outcome.
...
Georgia, where Biden won in 2020 by 12,000 votes, is another state where the Jewish vote could make a big difference. Georgia’s 125,000 Jews make up just over 1% of the electorate, and 75% of them typically vote for Democrats.
...
Jews made up 3% of Nevada voters in the last presidential election, and 75% of those 41,000 voters picked Biden over Trump in 2020. Biden won the Nevada count by around 33,000 votes, so this is another race where every Jewish vote is potentially critical to the outcome.
...
With 19 electoral votes, more than any other swing state, Pennsylvania is the biggest prize among the battleground seven. Registered Democrats outnumber Republicans by about 400,000, but Biden only beat Trump there in 2020 by 80,000 votes, a 1% margin; Trump won in 2016 with an even smaller margin, about 0.5%. The state’s 300,000 Jews make up 3% of the electorate; two-thirds of them are Democrats, so their support is essential to a Harris win.

[Attilatheblond]

34. Reckon he wasn't required to deal in mathmatics when he was in that Business School he brags about

[mahina]

12. Somehow, I'm surprised again at how low he can go

And then he goes lower

[moniss]

14. He's clearly announcing targets for blame and revenge so

as to keep ratcheting up the hate among his "nationalist" base.

[underpants]

35. Exactly what I thought. This is a message to MAGA.

[everyonematters]

16. This is another indication of his mental decline.

He is criticizing a whole bloc of voters, not realizing that it will make them even less likely to vote for him.

[The Wizard]

17. He appeals to

his anti Semite base. Bigotry is their political currency.

[RobinA]

62. I Disagree

I think he's trying to threaten Jewish voters. Threats are his stock in trade and how he gets what he wants. He went to talk to that audience for a reason, presumably to get votes. This is how he goes about it.

[FakeNoose]

18. No Chump ... "America" will have a lot to do with it

The entire country DESPISES you.
Besides that, you're the worst President in our history.
Why would anyone want you back in the White House?

[BlueWavePsych]

19. Drumpf is a NAZI and broadcasting it.

[JohnnyRingo]

20. I'd like to think we all had a hand in Trump's next failure.

Tip of the yamulke to our friends for helping though. hahaha

[PortTack]

21. Oh gawd...here comes the violence against the Jewish community urrrg!

[orleans]

22. on the upside: the nytimes used the term "Democratic Party"

instead of the abbreviated repuke version

[90-percent]

55. Olbermann

I remember during the war criminal GWB dark ages Keith said; " . .......and it's DEM-O-CRAT-IC! Show some respect!" I think these days some Dem reps now say "Democrat party"?

Keith's five times a week podcasts are as brilliant as his Countdown commentary from two decades ago.

-90% Jimmy

[orleans]

68. i listen to his podcasts every night when he puts them out

11:15 pm central time sunday night thru thursday night--love listening to him.

[twodogsbarking]

23. Maybe they don't like you because they are, well, notfuckingstupid.

[chouchou]

25. No Donald, you're going to lose the election, mainly because, more people...

...are seeing you with a vedy, vedy bad adjectives, regarding your Nazi ShitzerPersonallity.

[arlyellowdog]

26. Thank you Jewish people (my late husband was)

[madaboutharry]

27. Trump is an antisemite.

I'm just going to say what I have already said in another post:

He trades in stereotypes and tropes. Blaming Jews for your problems is a retrograde classic. A person doesn't need to be marching down the street carrying a tiki torch to be antisemitic.

[drray23]

28. It's almost as if he and Vance have a checklist of every possible group they can offend

and methodically going through it. Women, people of color, veterans, disabled people, immigrants, muslims and now jewish people. I am sure I am missing a few groups.

[Gaytano70]

29. Great post on Kos this morning on this topic:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/9/19/2271657/-Trump-Says-He-Will-Blame-the-Jews-When-He-Loses?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web

[Aviation Pro]

30. Please, Motherfucker

Lose the security and tell me that to my face.

[Seinan Sensei]

31. Jared and Ivanka are voting for Kamala and Tim?

[Attilatheblond]

36. Well, they aren't out on the campaign trail for daddy. Maybe didn't even donate?

So, when he loses, it's all Jared's fault per freaky felon.

[lees1975]

32. This guy talks out of both sides of his mouth.

He's talked about policy changing at noon on January 20 if he's in there, to instant anti-Hamas, doesn't realize that we are already anti-Hamas, and then says he will blame the Jewish people if he loses.

How can anyone with half a brain remotely think about giving this guy a vote?

[Jrose]

37. Has Djt paid any people at his rallies to sew Stars of David on their clothes,

wear Yamikas, tallises and hold posters that say, 'Jews for Trump'? (To sit next to those paid attendants who hold signs that say 'Blacks for Trump')?

[sarisataka]

38. Maybe one of our Jewish members can help me

Is this goyim-splaining?

Also, I don't believe this is the first time Jews have been told "it's your own fault"...

[madaboutharry]

50. Actually, I think it is more like "Jew-splaining."

He is telling Jews what a "good" Jew is and what is not a "good" Jew!

Maybe some in the 25% who are voting for him will begin to see his antisemitism and gaslighting for what it is. He is such an asshole.

[sarisataka]

52. TY

[RobinA]

63. Yes!

It's a threat.

[Clouds Passing]

39. Keep digging your grave, donnie.

[liberalla]

40. " if I don't win this election," then "the Jewish people would have a lot to do with a loss."

Pretending this could be true, we'd all owe a huge debt of gratitude to the Jewish people!

He's so frickin' ridiculous...
SMH

[PSPS]

41. "Israel will cease to exist if I don't win." (Actual quote from last night)

No matter whom he is talking to, it's the same thing. Vote for me or you will "cease to exist." In other words, if I lose, I will kill you. Lovely rhetoric, that is. Good grief.

[brewens]

42. What do Jewish people think of so-called Christians that only support Israel for their end times bullshit?

I don't think I've seen that addressed. I think it's pretty sleazy for Nutandyahoo to take their money.

[OldBaldy1701E]

48. And, you won't see it.

THAT is part of the issue. If not the entire issue.

[mathematic]

56. They think they're voting against people that oppose Israel for their end times bullshit

Republican voting Jews aren't stupid. They know there are Christians that only support Israel because of the religious view you're referring to.

They know that Christians, especially Catholics, have had a long and durable history of antisemitism that continues to this day. They also know that Muslims have a long and durable history of antisemitism that continues to this day and are, at best, trying to re-implement the historic system of religiously mandated oppression against Jews in the Jewish homeland or, at worst, trying to do the thing they say they're trying to do and killing all Jews.

This isn't some kind of concealed logic. If you talk to any American Jew that feels strongly about Israel you will learn this. If they believe the Republican characterizations of Democrats regarding Israel then they will tend to vote for Republicans. Historically, most don't, which is why Jews have been one of the most reliable D voting demographics.

I think the important takeaway from this is that when Trump and other Republicans say things like this they're trying to convince people that the Republican characterization of Democrats regarding Israel is true. The correct rhetorical response is not "hey republicans hate you too". It's "no, these characterizations are false and Democrats strongly support the existence of Israel".

[Leinster]

43. Is he angling for the Muslim vote? NT

[Emile]

44. He has no blame at all for losing. It must

be great to be perfect and always someone else fault when you lose.

[Blue Owl]

45. Nazis sure do love to blame the Jews

Don’t they, Donny?

[pansypoo53219]

46. NO! YOU NIMROD. the women you fucked w/ killing roe. attcking immigrants. anybody w/ a working brain.

[pansypoo53219]

47. wait. i thought harris hated jews.

[Renew Deal]

49. The voice of white nationalists

Supported by actual nazi's feels that he deserves Jewish people's votes.

[BlueKota]

51. Is there any group he hasn't belittled/scapegoated

besides extremist white bigots?

[Dan]

54. Pretty soon, there isn't going to be any more room on the boat

For the people he hates/blames bigly.

[IronLionZion]

57. His struggle, or in German, Mein Kampf.

He didn't even call them "very fine people". He reserves that sort of praise for his Nazi supporters.

[nycbos]

58. I am a proud Jewish-American.

I am from New York, but due to an unusual set of circumstances, I now call Chicago home.

Two out of the last three weekends, I went to Wisconsin to knock on doors for Harris. I will be going to Michigan this Sunday and next Saturday.

I'm going to take every chance I can to do my part to ensure Trump loses. And I will happily accept the blame if he does.

[JohnSJ]

59. I am one of those Jews who will be responsible for his loss.

[speak easy]

61. 👍

[RobinA]

60. This Is A Classic

but it's whackadoo even for him. Well....wait a minute. Does it out whack eating pets?

[GreenWave]

65. Right out of Hitler's playbook...

[elleng]

66. I'll do my best.

[maxsolomon]

67. He's not wrong. WHEN he loses, the Jewish vote will overwhelmingly be against him.

I don't know any Jewish people, relatives or friends, that will vote for him. They hate his guts.

OK, maybe my 90+ year-old neighbors who voted for him in 2016 because "he is better for Israel". That really pissed me off.

I fail to see how the Biden/Harris Admin has been bad for Israel. They've been steadfast in support (to their own electoral peril) where the rest of the planet has wavered.

[BigDemVoter]

69. Well damn those Jews!

Everything is their fault!

[twodogsbarking]

70. I hope they do; have a lot to do with you losing.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

71. He has a long list of lame ass excuses.

[LudwigPastorius]

72. Translation: Vote for me or I'll unleash my "very fine people" in khaki on you.

[AllaN01Bear]

73. snork.

[DFW]

74. I wouldn't care if it's the United Aardvarks of New Mexico

As long as the job gets done.

[SupportSanity]

75. Trump didn't mean all of the Jews. Just Soros.

[Mysterian]

76. Preemptively blaming the Jews

How nazi of him.

[marble falls]

77. If Jewish voters have anything to do with it, mazel tov! I am going to do all that I can to insure it myself ...

... the same way everybody: Jewish, Buddhist, even Lutherans do it - we all vote our conscience, we vote to sustain American Democracy.

I'd never vote for TFG even without his baggage. He not only offends many Jewish Voters, he offends a lot of us - plus a surprising number of ex TFG voters. Two of them have allegedly been engaged in alleged assassination attempts.

[Evolve Dammit]

78. There is no bottom to his hatred of any and all who dare oppose him. A true sociopathic narcissist. FU Donny

[speak easy]

79. There was that ad that ended "Not just Taylor he hates all of us (women)"

I think he hates everybody.

[Evolve Dammit]

80. Like a true dictator, ANYONE who disagrees is an enemy. Becoming more evident every day.

[Shoonra]

82. Insults, Threats. and Mob Tactics

Trump's claim to have done something for American Jews is primarily based on his moving the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, committing the US govt to recognizing Jerusalem as the permanent capital of Israel - something Jews did, a lot of Americans did, but the UN refused to do. It was touching but to suppose that this shackles American Jews to him suggests the canard that American Jews are more loyal to Israel than to America, or, at least, that a favor done for Israel counts for more than what he had done in America as far as Jewish voters care.

The next thing about his threat to blame Jews if he loses the election is that all his Gentile supporters will have a recognizable minority group to punish for his defeat. This includes the Trump supporters who are were carrying tiki torches and swastika flags in Charlottesville, and others of that ilk. This may mean violence against American Jews and Jewish institutions.

[Dem4life1970]

85. *Absolutely disgusting and despicable*

He sinks to new lows with each passing day.

[wolfie001]

86. Bloated, gaseous buffoon

That's all I got. Good night

[King_Klonopin]

87. NOTHING is his fault -- EVER !

Blames everyone else for HIS failures -- which are myriad.

[mahina]

88. Look in the mirror don

[Martin68]

89. Good example of Trump's self-destructive tendencies. He has nothing to gain from this, and a great deal to lose.

[BlueWavePsych]

90. Trump once praised North Carolina's self-proclaimed 'Nazi' candidate. Now he's scrambling to distance himself.

CNN reported on Thursday that Robinson made a number of bizarre comments on a porn forum between 2008 and 2012, including calling himself a “perv,” a “Black NAZI!” and sharing his support for reinstating slavery, saying that he “would certainly buy a few.”

In October 2011, Robinson called Martin Luther King Jr “worse than a maggot” and a “huckster.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-mark-robinson-north-carolina-b2616495.html

[tavernier]

92. Jews believe in the Ten Commandments.

When Trump came down from the mountain (on an elevator) he announced to the world that he had rewritten all Ten. So it is difficult to understand why anyone of that faith could possibly follow Trump’s new order. So perhaps he’s partially right.

[DavidDvorkin]

97. That should cement the Jewish vote in place

But not the place Trump thinks.

[truthisfreedom]

98. He's planning on losing and hoping for

Civil war.