U.S. proposes ban on Chinese auto parts so cars 'can't be used against us'

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: NPR

September 23, 2024 8:45 AM ET



The U.S. Commerce Department proposed Monday a national security ban on certain Chinese and Russian-made car parts from U.S. roads starting in 2027. The proposed rule comes after President Biden ordered an investigation in February into whether Chinese vehicles pose a national security risk. If enacted, the ban would focus on hardware and software that connects vehicles to the outside world — such as Bluetooth and satellite modules — and driverless systems.

"We've already seen ample evidence of [China] pre-positioning malware on a critical infrastructure for the purpose of disruption and sabotage," Jake Sullivan, the national security adviser, said on a call with reporters. "And with potentially millions of vehicles on the road, each with 10- to 15-year life spans, the risk of disruption and sabotage increases dramatically."

Earlier this year, FBI Director Christopher Wray warned Congress that China was targeting American water treatment plants, pipelines and power grids.

Beyond national security, Sullivan said the ban would give U.S. drivers added personal security. With cars collecting geolocation, audio and video data — Chinese and Russian software and hardware can't be trusted, Sullivan said. U.S. Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo called the proposed ban — issued by her department's Bureau of Industry and Security team — a "proactive" step since there are currently "very few Chinese cars" on U.S. roads.

Read more: https://www.npr.org/2024/09/23/nx-s1-5122472/china-russia-car-parts

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Link to White House FACT SHEET - FACT SHEET: Protecting America from Connected Vehicle Technology from Countries of Concern

[bucolic_frolic]

1. Why do they worry about the Chinese?

Eloon has cornered that market already

[BumRushDaShow]

7. Because of the many U.S. companies that "out-sourced" components and fabrication to China

which is why so many parts plants closed in places like Ohio.

[bucolic_frolic]

12. You answered my question literally but not my sarcasm

sometimes i don't reach my audience, but thanks anyways

[BumRushDaShow]

13. Sorry it came off like that

but I know what you normally post!

[Think. Again.]

2. Wow, that's a snarkily misleading headline for sure!

[Botany]

3. Best President of my lifetime and he is still working for all of us right now and will stay on it till January'25

“President Biden ordered an investigation in February into whether Chinese vehicles pose a national security risk.” I never thought of loading malware into the computer electronics of car parts.

Joe is very good and he has hired some really good people too.

[quaint]

6. Brought in some of the actually best people.

[Botany]

8. President Joe hired a Nobel Prize winner from California from the jump to vet any of his science hires

And you can see now and in the past what really good people he has brought aboard. He has
protected so many of our wild and culturally important areas.

[Botany]

11. Joe also protected this guy's home in the Tongass area of Alaska which links into British Columbia's

rain forest.

[Farmer-Rick]

4. So world wide free trade

Isn't so free.

Buying from totalitarian regimes with narcissistic and fascist like dictatorships and governments isn't such a good national security idea. Who would have thunk it?

Maybe stop buying forgien made military weapons and parts too.

And what about tainted foods, and other electronics being bought from other countries? Pagers as bombs only work if you got open, free trade with totalitarian governments.

Free trade was always just a load of crap, now see what it has wrought.

[BrianTheEVGuy]

5. This sort of stuff is silly

Most everything we use is Chinese. Cisco routers are Chinese. Apple computers and phones are Chinese. Dell and HP computers are Chinese. And so on.

Big tech destroyed the working class in their supply chain and went to China to bolster their already huge profits.

Now that the Chinese are producing better phones. computers and cars than our lazy companies (and at a lower price), our oligarchs want protection from competition and wrap up such protectionism in “national security” nonsense-speak.

The truth is, if China wanted to attack us with malware, they could do it at any time with “American” products — which are mostly Chinese products with American logos tacked on.

Working class Americans have suffered from awful inflation and wages that haven’t kept up. The most patriotic thing to do is let Chinese companies compete with American companies and sell long-struggling Americans some of the amazing goods at much lower prices that they’ve developed.

If Apple, GM, Cisco, etc are concerned, they can focus on lowering their prices and finally innovating to compete. Warming over a ten year old design and calling it the “iPhone 16” ain’t competing.

[Botany]

9. I like fishing

[BrianTheEVGuy]

16. ?

[BumRushDaShow]

10. "Big tech destroyed the working class in their supply chain and went to China to bolster their already huge profits. "

This is why this piece of legislation was passed -

H.R.4346 - CHIPS and Science Act

Public Law No: 117-167 (08/09/2022)

This act provides funds to support the domestic production of semiconductors and authorizes various programs and activities of the federal science agencies.

DIVISION A--CHIPS ACT OF 2022

CHIPS Act of 2022

(Sec. 102) The act establishes and provides funding for the Creating Helpful Incentives to Produce Semiconductors (CHIPS) for America Fund to carry out activities relating to the creation of incentives to produce semiconductors in the United States.

The act establishes and provides funding for the Creating Helpful Incentives to Produce Semiconductors (CHIPS) for America Defense Fund to carry out the National Network for Microelectronics Research and Development.

The act establishes and provides funding for the Creating Helpful Incentives to Produce Semiconductors (CHIPS) for America International Technology Security and Innovation Fund to (1) provide for international information and communications technology security and semiconductor supply chain activities, including to support the development and adoption of secure and trusted telecommunications technologies, secure semiconductors, secure semiconductors supply chains, and other emerging technologies; and (2) carry out the Multilateral Semiconductors Security Fund and the Multilateral Telecommunications Security Fund.

The act establishes and provides funding for the Creating Helpful Incentives to Produce Semiconductors (CHIPS) for America Workforce and Education Fund for the National Science Foundation (NSF) for microelectronics workforce development activities to accelerate the domestic development and production of microelectronics and strengthen the domestic microelectronics workforce.

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[BrianTheEVGuy]

17. Sadly...

… the bill relies primarily on Intel to make the chips, and Intel is now up for sale. Qualcomm is vying with private equity vultures to see who gets the biz, so I’m less excited about the deal than when it was announced.

[BumRushDaShow]

18. "the bill relies primarily on Intel to make the chips"

There are other companies out there making chips like AMD (the "original" competitor to Intel - I used to build boxen with overclocked processors using both types, for my SETI@home Linux farm).

Even IBM is getting back into "chips" - https://www.washingtontechnology.com/contracts/2024/03/ibm-awarded-576m-dod-chip-manufacturing-contract/395136/

[SWBTATTReg]

14. So much for free marketplaces, eh? However, I do realize that the Chinese do heavily subsidize their businesses too,

so it's an unfair advantage to our inhouse car dealers/manufacturers.

Personally, I think they are a little too much paranoid here, w/ the Chinese imports, considering how many $billions and $billions of dollars worth of trade go between both countries?

[LiberalFighter]

15. I wish there was a way to restrict access from other countries to our internet