More than 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide here or abroad are living freely in the U.S., ICE says

[Polybius]

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Source: NBC News

More than 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide — either in the United States or abroad — are living outside of Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention, according to data ICE provided to Congress earlier this week.

The immigrants are part of ICE’s “non-detained” docket, meaning the agency has some information on the immigrants and they have pending immigration cases in the U.S., but they are not currently in detention either because they are not prioritized for detention, they are serving time in a jail or prison for their crimes, or because ICE cannot find them, three law enforcement officials said.

Two of the officials said it is not known how many are incarcerated because ICE is not always privy to that data from state and local law enforcement agencies.

Acting ICE Director P.J. Lechleitner sent the data, collected as of July 21, as part of a request sent in March from Republican Rep. Tony Gonzales of Texas.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/13000-immigrants-convicted-homicide-living-freely-us-ice-data-rcna173125

[RockRaven]

1. And what is the number for citizens?

It is not like US citizens are not frequently committing and getting convicted of homicide, and most don't get life sentences.

[Lulu KC]

2. This information could be twisted

in the wrong hands. Standing by.

[Bmoboy]

3. Living freely in jail?

How many out of the 13,000 are in jail or prison and therefor not in ICE detention, out of the 13,000?

Stupid data.

Unfortunately, this stupid data will be used to make political points.

[Cattledog]

4. NBC source says

It is not clear when the first migrant of the 13,000 crossed into the U.S. Two law enforcement officials familiar with the data told NBC News many of the migrants on ICE’s nondetained docket, including serious criminals, crossed into the U.S. under previous administrations, including that of former President Donald Trump.

https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/13000-immigrants-convicted-homicide-living-freely-us-ice-data-rcna173125

[Cirsium]

5. Interesting timing

That whole article is a mess.

By the way, the headline does not say:

"More than 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide here or abroad are living freely in the U.S., ICE says"

It says:

"More than 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide are living outside immigration detention in the U.S., ICE says"

[wolfie001]

6. This is like a James Comey stat dump close to the election

WTF? Some may/may not be in prison, many came here during previous administrations. A whole lot to filter through that mish mash.

[stopdiggin]

7. so glad we had the opportunity to wallow in this mire

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[DemonGoddess]

8. Missing some critical parts

Acting ICE Director P.J. Lechleitner sent the data, collected as of July 21, as part of a request sent in March from Republican Rep. Tony Gonzales of Texas.

A spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security said the data sent to Gonzales is being misinterpreted, and goes back four decades, long before the Biden administration.

A DHS spokesman told NBC News in a statement: "The data in this letter is being misinterpreted. The data goes back decades; it includes people who entered the country over the past 40 year or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this administration. It also includes many who are under the jurisdiction or currently incarcerated by federal, state or local law enforcement partners."

[groundloop]

9. And the GQP can't let facts get in the way of a juicy conspiracy.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

11. Right, if you read the entire article, it's not nearly as scary

As the headlines make it look.

[NowsTheTime]

15. Sadly........A lot of people only read headlines at best.

or... "Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest." Paul Simon

[SunSeeker]

16. Odd that the OP chose not to include those paragraphs.

And didn't even get the clickbait fear- mongering headline right.

[EarthFirst]

10. 16,284 homicides by American citizens according to statistics from the FBI in 2022...

The problem isn’t immigration; it’s an unprecedented access to firearms problem…

…but don’t let that get in the way of the framing of the debate.

[StClone]

12. These poseurs need to step it up if they want beat the homicidal crime spree of J6.

[iluvtennis]

13. If they were convicted of homicide here in US - why are they living freely? Did they serve their prison time

and then released, then OK. If that is not the case, then our justice and prison systems need to answer some serious questions.

I don't believe this part of ICE's statement. Why haven't we heard it previously. Something smelly here.

[Mr.Bill]

14. The words "convicted of homicide" have me confused.

In the USA, homicide is defined as simply one human being ending the life of another human being. Homicide is not necessarily a crime. It would include self defense, being adjudicated as insane at the time of the incident, many different degrees of murder or manslaughter with or without weapons and depending on the presence of malice or intent. There's more here than meets the eye.

Many people easily make the jump from homicide to murder in their minds without these other considerations.

[Omaha Steve]

17. AFTER a review by forum hotsts LOCKING

Actual headline not used.

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