'Uncommitted' group says Trump would be worse for Palestinians

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: The Hill

10/08/24 3:30 PM ET


The “Uncommitted” National Movement – a pro-Palestinian political group opposing the Biden administration’s support for Israel – encouraged its followers to back Vice President Harris’s presidential bid over former President Trump’s, less than one month ahead of Election Day.

The group stopped short of issuing a formal endorsement of the Democratic nominee, but in a video posted Tuesday on social media, the group’s co-founder, Lexi Zeidan, outlined the reasons she thinks Trump would be worse for the group’s anti-war agenda than Harris would be.

Zeidan painted the election next month as a binary choice, saying in the video, “Who will be elected in November is clear: It’s Trump or it’s Harris.”

“And we have to orient less towards who is the better candidate and more towards what is the better anti-war approach in building our collective power,” Zeidan continued. “It’s clear [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu will be doing everything in his power to get Trump elected, and we have to do everything in our power to stop him.”

Read more: https://thehill.com/policy/international/4922430-uncommitted-group-back-harris/

[Walleye]

1. It's a very good step, but a full on endorsement would've been better

[Wednesdays]

2. "Trump would be worse for Palestinians"

Ya think?

[OilemFirchen]

3. Shorter version:

"Our tiny group of anti-democratic attention-seekers hasn't proven as lucrative as we had hoped. Perhaps an epiphany?"

[sheshe2]

4. Well hallelujah!

Dawn breaks over Marblehead. He has stated clearly that he will wipe out Gaza. Are they just now paying attention, FFS!

[Yoyoyo77]

5. Don't put them down.

Remember that a lot of these folks have relatives and friends in Gaza or the west bank. I think that this a matter of past overreactions from both parties leading to one sides overreaction leading to carnage which eventually leads to another act of carnage from the other side. Without a settlement for both peoples to live peacefully in their own lands it could go on forever.

[DBoon]

6. It is hard to make the compromises a democratic society requires when your blood relatives are affected

Being willing to back the better but not perfect alternative is a step forward.

[LeftInTX]

8. I'm sorry. They have treated Biden terribly.

They have treated many people terribly. Most do not have relatives in Gaza! Many are white people. Just got done talking with a white guy the other night. He called Kamala Republican Lite.

[canuckledragger]

9. Proof please.

[LeftInTX]

12. They call him Genocide Joe. Why are you defending them? They are Jill Stein supporters.

https://www.newarab.com/opinion/good-riddance-genocide-joe-you-will-be-remembered-monster

Link to tweet

[canuckledragger]

13. I'm talking about the other claims made without proof.

Assumptions are not proof, no matter how strongly one feels about them.

[LeftInTX]

14. Do you have proof that they support Democrats?

https://sfstandard.com/2024/03/22/code-pink-activist-arrested-over-bloody-handprints-protest-nancy-pelosis-home/

They were even shouting Genocide Joe at Jimmy Carter's wife's funeral!


Didn't that tweet show you what they do?

[canuckledragger]

15. That's not how this works.

YOU made the claims, it's up to YOU to provide the proof of them.

And your response still doesn't address the claims you made without proof in your original post: " They don't even have relatives in Gaza!!!"

[LeftInTX]

17. Quit harrassing me! Most of them do not have relatives in Gaza!

The heads of those movements in Michigan are Lebanese!!!!!!!!!!!!! And that's the head of the movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Hammoud
In 2024, Hammoud declined an invitation to meet with Biden campaign officials prior to the 2024 United States presidential election, due to the Biden administration's stance on the Israel-Hamas war. Explaining his decision on X, Hammoud wrote "I will not entertain conversations about elections while we watch a live-streamed genocide backed by our government."[18]

According to The Washington Post, Hammoud was approached by Jill Stein, 2012 and 2016 presidential nominee for the Green Party, to be her running mate for her 2024 presidential campaign. Hammoud, however, would not meet the age requirement by January 20, 2025, the date of the next presidential inauguration as required under the U.S. Constitution.[19]

Abbas Alawieh, another leader is Lebanese https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/power/2024/08/21/abbas-alawieh-delegate-gaza-dnc/

Another leader is Jewish.
Dean Phillips is also Jewish.
Tlaib is the only Palestinian and her relatives are in the West Bank.

You give me names of the thousands of uncommitted who are Palestinian.
We don't have that many Palestinians in the US.

[canuckledragger]

23. Asking for clarity or factual proof of a claim isn't 'harrassing' anything.

You made a lot of broad, questionable statements in your first post about the protesters, attacking their families, their skin tones, etc.

I'm the furthest thing from a Jill Stein supporter, I think She's a grifter and russian asset, but there's ample proof available that supports that opinion of mine, like the picture of her and other prominent republicans sitting at a dinner table with Putin.

Making claims about people with nothing to back those claims up though, brings up questions about the honesty of the person making those claims.

[LeftInTX]

24. You called me a liar.

[canuckledragger]

25. I asked for you to provide proof of things things you claimed about the protestors.

Like that they don't have any relatives in Gaza, or that they're ALL white.

Can you prove this? if not...

[LeftInTX]

29. I didn't say there were all white. I said many were white.

Most of them are not Palestinian, so they don't have relatives in Gaza.

Around here, most of them are Latino. A local Methodist pastor is a white dude.
The young guy I spoke to the other day was white.
Lots of white people are cosplaying with keffiyehs.

I live in a city that's 70% Latino.






Maria Turvin, founder of Yanawana Herbolarios and now using the name Mazatl Cihuatl, led chants within the San Antonio City Council chambers earlier this month, shutting down the evening meeting for a time.. If you don't know what Yanawana Herbolarios means, I cannot help you. But it isn't Arabic!

[617Blue]

20. Code Pink is a useful idiot FBI front group.

Funny how a Code Pink nitwit always get a choice seat on camera at congressional hearings. Hmm....

[BaronChocula]

18. Thank you!

A lot of the "them-ing" going on within this progressive site with zero expressed empathy has seemed very maga-ish to me. I have friends I just don't want to talk to anymore because the simplistic generalizations they make about people who have every right to be upset and have had much to discuss within their community. Not to mention the gross mischaracterizations.

I suspected all along there would be this moment where a favorable consensus would be reached. But I would never insult someone's judgment while they were grieving.

[Turbineguy]

7. Unless they pay. Lots. Then he'll be so nice. Lord, he'll be lovey dovey.

[Geechie]

10. No shit, Sherlock nt

[SunSeeker]

11. Of course Harris is better than Trump. Trump basically told Bibi to nuke Gaza!

[4lbs]

16. Did they tell Rashida Tlaib to GFAD?

GFAD when I was growing up was an acronym that stood for "Go F*** A Duck"

[jfz9580m]

19. That's good

I am very sympathetic to the suffering in Gaza, but Trump would probably want to nuke Gaza.

[Tom Rinaldo]

21. Bottom line: This statement will result in Harris winning votes she might not otherwise have gotten

Clearly a net positive. I hope it is widely shared on campuses etc. No doubt some of what it says will bother many Harris supporters. But that is not who this is aimed at

[jfz9580m]

28. Agreed

I generally stay away from war related topics since I rarely have anything sensible to contribute (I don’t follow wars..a deliberate choice since instead I follow much neglected environmental issues most people ignore..one really only has so much mental energy) and so I try not to inflame passions beyond sympathy re suffering on all sides.

But this is net good.

[onandup]

22. Then I have to wonder what the effort was about

I assumed the intent was to demonstrate the potential lost votes for Biden should there not be a significant change in policy toward Israel.

[Lovie777]

26. There's always a 3rd party.......................

which in turn will help shithole.

[we can do it]

27. No shit Sherlock

[onetexan]

30. They finally came to their senses & realized the Con

Is an existential threat to the middle east & US. Of course to the world order as well.
I hope their members w actually vote. 🌊🇺🇸

[Happy Hoosier]

31. Welcome back to the real world, friends.

I hope we can defeat Trump together and then coordinate for a just peace in the Middle East.