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BumRushDaShow

(142,805 posts)
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 07:54 AM Oct 13

'Evangelicals for Harris' Goes to War With Franklin Graham

Source: Newsweek

Published Oct 13, 2024 at 4:00 AM EDT


While giving a sermon in 1988, the Rev. Billy Graham, a renowned Christian evangelist, recalled a passage from the Bible that he let a man sitting next to him on a plane read. "But you must realize that in the last days, the times will be full of danger. Men will become utterly self-centered and greedy for money," he said, quoting the passage.

Men "will be proud and abusive" and "treacherous, reckless and arrogant, loving what gives them pleasure instead of loving God," he added. "They will maintain a facade of religion, but their lives deny the truth. Keep clear of people like that." Clips from that sermon were intercut with comments made by former President Donald Trump over the years in an ad released by Evangelicals for Harris, a group supporting Vice President Kamala Harris in the presidential race against Trump.

"My whole life I've been greedy, greedy, greedy," Trump says in one of the clips used in the ad. "I've grabbed all the money I could get." In others, he describes himself as "the chosen one," talks about wanting to "punch" someone in the face and boasts about kissing women without permission.

The "Keep Clear" ad is part of Evangelicals for Harris' $1 million campaign to reach evangelical voters in crucial swing states and convince them to turn out for Harris in November instead of Trump or not voting at all. But the Rev. Franklin Graham, the president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and a longtime Trump supporter, has taken issue with the group's use of footage of his late father. "The liberals are using anything and everything they can to promote candidate Harris," he wrote on X, formerly Twitter, in August.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-harris-franklin-graham-1967569

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'Evangelicals for Harris' Goes to War With Franklin Graham (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 13 OP
Hope their ads work. Lonestarblue Oct 13 #1
Proud to call myself a liberal and don't understand these religious nuts? walkingman Oct 13 #2
Prelude to NAZI Germany in 1930s BlueWavePsych Oct 13 #16
There it is. The Unmitigated Gall Oct 13 #31
Probably because the younger Graham is the same sleazeball type as the orange conman JT45242 Oct 13 #3
Long time ago someone told me he didn't rpannier Oct 13 #6
Such an anachronism. If you're that much of a sexaphobe, don't be alone with anyone...or anything...or yourself. Girard442 Oct 13 #30
In the mail my wife received an unsolicited magazine style political pamphlet from Franklin Graham Martin Eden Oct 13 #4
So weird that these people think socialism ≠ freedom. intheflow Oct 13 #33
Heal the sick? Feed the poor? SOCIALISM Martin Eden Oct 13 #34
OK, Frank - Jesus says you're going to hell azureblue Oct 13 #5
Looks like KFC is gonna drag Franklin Graham into the fiery pit with him. KS Toronado Oct 13 #7
Kentucky Fried Chicken is going to hell? rpannier Oct 13 #9
Another new name for him KS Toronado Oct 13 #10
Harlan's chicken sucks now, too ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 13 #12
Franklin supposedly cared about immoral behavior rpannier Oct 13 #8
The end of times has come and gone. multigraincracker Oct 13 #11
They didn't emphasize that promise much in catechism ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 13 #13
Each Sect, Sub Sect and individual church picks and chooses. multigraincracker Oct 13 #17
Mel Brooks did a schtick on the 2000 BattleRow Oct 13 #24
As God as my witness, I'll never pass up a chance to repost this: JHB Oct 13 #25
Stop "Sharia Law" from coming to America. BlueWavePsych Oct 13 #14
Remember when Newt Gingrinch's zealots cried foul when we called them.... EarnestPutz Oct 13 #26
"The liberals are using anything and everything they can to promote candidate Harris" CaptainTruth Oct 13 #15
All he can do here is issue a weak statement about the "liberals" Prof. Toru Tanaka Oct 13 #20
Christian Mafia is a term coined BattleRow Oct 13 #21
"The liberals are using anything and everything they can to promote candidate Harris," MLAA Oct 13 #18
We do have this though. Billy Graham has been dead for 2426 days but who is counting. twodogsbarking Oct 13 #19
For evangelicals, we live in a world that shouldn't exist... TrumanTheTiger Oct 13 #22
"The liberals are using anything and everything they can to promote candidate Harris," Mblaze Oct 13 #23
HALLELUJAH!! 🙏❤️ littlemissmartypants Oct 13 #27
Harris is using Christianity against False Prophets no_hypocrisy Oct 13 #28
And if Trump loses? Mz Pip Oct 13 #29
Wouldn't it be nice if "Pool Boy Graham" moniss Oct 13 #32
Are you thinking of Jerry Falwell Jr.? tavernier Oct 13 #35
I stand corrected. So many grifters they all meld together after awhile. nt moniss Oct 13 #37
Boy, ain't that the truth!!! tavernier Oct 13 #38
Hey Frankie, is that a 'for sale' sign on the Southern Baptist Convention building in Nashville? OldBaldy1701E Oct 13 #36
Franklin Graham, Martha Alito and others..when I hear them talk, read their words.. Tikki Oct 13 #39
If Billy Graham were still alive DFW Oct 13 #40
Evangelicals for Harris is out with a new powerful ad LetMyPeopleVote Oct 13 #41
Evangelicals For Harris Promo LetMyPeopleVote Oct 13 #42

walkingman

(8,383 posts)
2. Proud to call myself a liberal and don't understand these religious nuts?
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:08 AM
Oct 13

The 21st century Christian is something to behold.

JT45242

(2,932 posts)
3. Probably because the younger Graham is the same sleazeball type as the orange conman
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:35 AM
Oct 13

Senior was a blowhard. But he apparently tried to live what he preached.

The whole never be alone with a woman thing that Pence does is because Graham senior lived the same rule. Of course., that begs the question...what kind of a slimeball are you if you can't trust that you can have lunch alone with a female colleague for fear you might have sex with her.

But the younger Graham is a grifter of trumpian proportion. Threesome type marriage arrangement, skimming money off the top, etc.

rpannier

(24,580 posts)
6. Long time ago someone told me he didn't
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:18 AM
Oct 13

like being alone because people gossip. And, I remember my grandmother, having similar ideas about people, talking about gossipers (they're always looking for something bad to say)
For context, my grandmother was born 1913, so she was about his era

Girard442

(6,411 posts)
30. Such an anachronism. If you're that much of a sexaphobe, don't be alone with anyone...or anything...or yourself.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 11:13 AM
Oct 13

Martin Eden

(13,502 posts)
4. In the mail my wife received an unsolicited magazine style political pamphlet from Franklin Graham
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:12 AM
Oct 13

Right up front under a photo of each candidate was the choice of SOCIALISM (under Harris) vs FREEDOM (under Trump).

The inside contents had very slanted policy positions & party platforms rated by adherence to biblical principles.

My wife remarked that any religious person who didn't pay much attention to news or politics would definitely vote for Trump after reading that pamphlet.

intheflow

(28,960 posts)
33. So weird that these people think socialism ≠ freedom.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 12:47 PM
Oct 13

I mean, I’d love me some free medical care, I love the freedom of driving on paved roads, having city water connected to my house so I’m free to enjoy showers without having toxic chemicals washing down over me. Meanwhile, freedom from socialism is being imprisoned by debt. The folks who believe freedom and socialism are separate and unequal are delusional.

Martin Eden

(13,502 posts)
34. Heal the sick? Feed the poor? SOCIALISM
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 01:58 PM
Oct 13

Funny the pamphlet didn't focus at all on the gospel of Jesus.

azureblue

(2,298 posts)
5. OK, Frank - Jesus says you're going to hell
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:18 AM
Oct 13

Matthew 25: 31 -46 - Plain as day, you are refusing to do what Jesus teaches. And Jesus says hell is the consequence.

rpannier

(24,580 posts)
9. Kentucky Fried Chicken is going to hell?
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:22 AM
Oct 13

Likely Harlan is there -- He did consider being Wallace's VP running mate

multigraincracker

(34,124 posts)
11. The end of times has come and gone.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:26 AM
Oct 13

In The Sermon on the Mt, Jesus said there are those here today that shall see my return. That was 2,000 years ago.
Tfg says he is the chosen one. See How shall we know the Anti-Christ.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(3,213 posts)
13. They didn't emphasize that promise much in catechism
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:35 AM
Oct 13

Kinda rushed by the whole 'there are some who will not taste death before I return' promise by Jesus himself actually. Didn't want a buncha kids asking where the 2,000 yr old people are, I suppose.

multigraincracker

(34,124 posts)
17. Each Sect, Sub Sect and individual church picks and chooses.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:09 AM
Oct 13

So, why can’t I? If the Scripture was clear, think there might be only one? I question the more Authoritative ones the most. No room for questions.

JHB

(37,424 posts)
25. As God as my witness, I'll never pass up a chance to repost this:
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:41 AM
Oct 13






From http://www.dumbingofage.com/2016/blog/antichrist/

A little context: the cartoonist, Dave Willis, grew up in a strict conservative evangelical household, and Joyce, the little kid/older kid/young woman in this progression is something of an alter-ego of his about how that bubble bursts for some people, and of some of the hypocrisies that manifest in the people for whom it doesn't burst.

CaptainTruth

(7,244 posts)
15. "The liberals are using anything and everything they can to promote candidate Harris"
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:44 AM
Oct 13

So?

Has he not noticed that conservatives, & even so-called "religious" people like himself, have been doing that same thing for decades?

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,306 posts)
20. All he can do here is issue a weak statement about the "liberals"
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:14 AM
Oct 13

using that term as an epithet.

What else can Graham say when his father’s words are condemning Trump and his followers?

BattleRow

(1,201 posts)
21. Christian Mafia is a term coined
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:16 AM
Oct 13

a few years ago,and is prominently figured in two books,one made into a Netflix feature;namely,Jeff Sharlet's "The Family".

The second work,predating Sharlet's,is "Christian Mafia:The Rise of the Christian Dominionist Movement"...by Wayne Madsen.

These are extremely informative and worthwhile sources of info .

MLAA

(18,633 posts)
18. "The liberals are using anything and everything they can to promote candidate Harris,"
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:10 AM
Oct 13

They are using the Bible you hypocritical asshole, are you now saying the Bible is wrong after decades of using it to force your views on others?

TrumanTheTiger

(33 posts)
22. For evangelicals, we live in a world that shouldn't exist...
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:17 AM
Oct 13

...because they were raised or at least read the works of Hal Lindsay in the early 1980s. His book "The Late Great Planet Earth"--published in 1980--opened with "this book will not see its 10th anniversary."

The book's premise, as well as its followup "The Rapture", had the conclusion that Jesus would return before the end of the decade (the 1980s). Evangelical churches and denominations that have an evangelical bent taught that book as if it were written by Jesus Himself, and completely ignored Jesus' own admonition that "no one knows the day" of His return.

There was even a documentary-style movie made of it--narrated by Orson Wells!!--where Lindsay went to the Valley of Maggido in Israel and other sites.

Since we're well past the 1980s now, the last (at least) 34 years shouldn't have happened, or at least should've happened differently, and they're trying to force their own concept of Jesus' return to happen.

As I've heard in churches many times, "If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans."

Mz Pip

(27,900 posts)
29. And if Trump loses?
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 11:05 AM
Oct 13

Will these zealots accept it as God’s will? That perhaps their savior isn’t Trump?

Tikki

(14,796 posts)
39. Franklin Graham, Martha Alito and others..when I hear them talk, read their words..
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 06:03 PM
Oct 13

I come to know real EVIL.

Tikki

DFW

(56,664 posts)
40. If Billy Graham were still alive
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 06:14 PM
Oct 13

He'd toss Franklin acroccs his knees, pull down his trousers, and spank him until he cried out for the Lord's mercy, which he would not be about to get.

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