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BumRushDaShow

(144,204 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:41 PM Nov 7

Sexual orientation, gender ID on track to be on US Census Bureau survey by 2027

Source: ABC News/AP

November 7, 2024, 11:55 AM


Questions about sexual orientation, gender identity and changes to queries about race and ethnicity are on track to be asked in the most comprehensive survey of American life by 2027, U.S. Census Bureau officials said Thursday.

The new or revised questions on the American Community Survey will show up on questionnaires and be asked by survey takers in as early as three years, with the data from those questions available the following year, officials told an advisory committee.

The American Community Survey is the most comprehensive survey of American life, covering commuting times, internet access, family life, income, education levels, disabilities and military service, among many other topics, with a sample size of more than 3.5 million households.

Some of the revised questions are the result of changes the federal government announced earlier this year about how it categorizes people by race and ethnicity. The changes were the first in 27 years and were aimed at better counting people who identify as Hispanic and of Middle Eastern and North African heritage.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/questions-sexual-orientation-gender-id-track-us-census-115608861

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Sexual orientation, gender ID on track to be on US Census Bureau survey by 2027 (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 7 OP
How will they handle "refusals"... Some may prefer not to answer such invasive questions. hlthe2b Nov 7 #1
This is apparently a "test" form to determine how to handle it BumRushDaShow Nov 7 #4
Lovely gay texan Nov 7 #2
I know, right? Haggard Celine Nov 7 #3
I agree n/t gay texan Nov 7 #5
That's no one's business Marthe48 Nov 7 #12
Problem with lawsuits to protect our rights is the courts now and they will only get worse soon. Attilatheblond Nov 8 #44
yeah... Thus my question earlier as to whether or not they have a "refuse to answer" option. hlthe2b Nov 7 #6
Yep - I have started to remove anything that identifies my orientation from online FreeState Nov 7 #9
For a very, very long time I have answered female. I have 2 daughters and 4 gchildren. It is efhmc Nov 7 #15
exactually what I just thought wintemark Nov 7 #34
Not if all the rest of us claim to be LGBTQ+ Attilatheblond Nov 8 #43
I sure hope we don't have to answer those questions unless we want to! mahina Nov 7 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author mahina Nov 7 #8
My best advice: lie. ananda Nov 7 #10
Have they read Project 2025? TommyT139 Nov 7 #11
With stuff like this, it was probably started a year or more ago... BumRushDaShow Nov 7 #13
Won't stop there HighFired49 Nov 7 #31
This is nobody's business. End of story. badhair77 Nov 7 #14
I wouldn't answer those questions Missmellyminx Nov 7 #16
i won't answer those questions. barbtries Nov 8 #39
Why would I tell a government agency something that I wouldn't tell any other stranger? LudwigPastorius Nov 7 #17
With Trump at the helm, what could possibly go wrong? Initech Nov 7 #22
Why??? niyad Nov 7 #18
I think the intent was to be "inclusive" in the Census because it DOES track gender BumRushDaShow Nov 7 #20
Thank you. I admit, every alarm bell in my head went off. niyad Nov 7 #21
I feel it in this thread BumRushDaShow Nov 7 #23
Years ago, in an online "over 40's group" to which I belonged, newcomers niyad Nov 7 #19
Apparently for some questions in this "test" survey BumRushDaShow Nov 7 #24
I know what my answer would be... llmart Nov 7 #26
LOL BumRushDaShow Nov 7 #28
No way I'm answering that now. Oneironaut Nov 7 #25
He tried this with the last census..remember? We were late getting started because he wanted Deuxcents Nov 7 #27
Biden wasn't President when the 2020 Census was being finalized BumRushDaShow Nov 7 #30
I'll fill it out and be ready vercetti2021 Nov 7 #29
Everyone just tell them straight or straight to hell Blue Full Moon Nov 7 #32
I will suffer from amnesia if I am sent any questionnaire while tRump is dictator. yaesu Nov 7 #33
Well, Mr census taker.... wintemark Nov 7 #35
A way for them to come and find people moniss Nov 8 #36
my answer to every census taker or survey: Two. here. bye AZLD4Candidate Nov 8 #37
prefer not to answer. barbtries Nov 8 #38
I will bet it wont be there TheDemsshouldhireme Nov 8 #40
Given the Jeezoid/Fundie tendencies of the incoming cabal Montauk6 Nov 8 #41
I wouldn't feel too good about doing this in a Trump administration CanonRay Nov 8 #42

hlthe2b

(106,762 posts)
1. How will they handle "refusals"... Some may prefer not to answer such invasive questions.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:46 PM
Nov 7

I don't happen to be one of those who would refuse, but some might.

BumRushDaShow

(144,204 posts)
4. This is apparently a "test" form to determine how to handle it
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:52 PM
Nov 7

Another excerpt from the OP article -

On the sexual orientation test question, respondents can provide a write-in response if they don't see themselves in the gay or lesbian, straight or bisexual options. The gender identity test question has two steps, with the first asking if they were born male or female at birth and the second asking about their current gender. Among the possible responses are male, female, transgender, nonbinary and a write-in option for those who don't see themselves in the other responses.

gay texan

(2,906 posts)
2. Lovely
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:46 PM
Nov 7

So they know where all of the LGBTQ people are. I'm quite certian this info will never be misused under the new admin.....

Haggard Celine

(17,044 posts)
3. I know, right?
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:51 PM
Nov 7

If they ask me anything like that, I'm going to lie. It's so sad to say, but I don't think GLBTs are safe these days. We don't need to make it easy for the fascists to round us up.

Marthe48

(19,324 posts)
12. That's no one's business
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:25 PM
Nov 7

and I hope there are law suits that go all the way to the (formerly) s.c. to be ruled against. Just for the historical record of what manical fascism looks like


Attilatheblond

(4,550 posts)
44. Problem with lawsuits to protect our rights is the courts now and they will only get worse soon.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:17 PM
Nov 8

It's gonna be Animal Farm writ large when the 2025 Plan Billionaires get their way.

hlthe2b

(106,762 posts)
6. yeah... Thus my question earlier as to whether or not they have a "refuse to answer" option.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:59 PM
Nov 7

FreeState

(10,701 posts)
9. Yep - I have started to remove anything that identifies my orientation from online
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:07 PM
Nov 7

Yep - I have started to remove anything that identifies my orientation from online. I don’t trust the incoming administration at all. I will also not answer them on medical information moving forward.

efhmc

(15,037 posts)
15. For a very, very long time I have answered female. I have 2 daughters and 4 gchildren. It is
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:33 PM
Nov 7

and always has been a truthful answer However, now I just want to answer "whatever". Why do you need to know this?

wintemark

(33 posts)
34. exactually what I just thought
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:52 PM
Nov 7

it will be hilarious to see how America's GLBT population ebbs and grows depending on what the current dominate political philosophy is at the time

Attilatheblond

(4,550 posts)
43. Not if all the rest of us claim to be LGBTQ+
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:15 PM
Nov 8

Skew the data and toss some glitter on the form, maybe after a light application from a glue stick.

Think of it like how the Danes, including the king, all turned out wearing a Star of David after the Nazis demanded all Jews in Denmark wore the Star.

And between now and then, let your LGBTQ+ friends know they have your love and support. If we do not hang together, we surly hang separately eventually. I think somebody wise and famous made that point a few years back.

mahina

(19,043 posts)
7. I sure hope we don't have to answer those questions unless we want to!
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:06 PM
Nov 7

That seems very intrusive. What's next, religion? (shhh)

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

TommyT139

(750 posts)
11. Have they read Project 2025?
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:21 PM
Nov 7

All mentions of LGBTQ identities are going to be deleted from research and survey categories.

Sadly, this will have tragic and preventable consequences in terms of not only mental health outcomes, but the fight to end or at least extirpate HIV/AIDS --- which is currently within our grasp.

They will still, however, be able to access medical records, and will be able to see who is taking gender confirming hormones, PrEP, doxy-PEP, etc. So some of their draconian list-making can still go on.

HighFired49

(391 posts)
31. Won't stop there
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:40 PM
Nov 7

They can still access all state marriage records and Social Security filings to see if you have a relationship with a same sex partner. It will be much easier to access these two records than medical records, I would bet.

LudwigPastorius

(11,072 posts)
17. Why would I tell a government agency something that I wouldn't tell any other stranger?
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 05:03 PM
Nov 7

Can't they just ask the NSA or Google? I'm sure they have all of our browser histories already.

BumRushDaShow

(144,204 posts)
20. I think the intent was to be "inclusive" in the Census because it DOES track gender
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 05:58 PM
Nov 7

But unfortunately what has happened, which is being reflected in almost every post in this thread, is that people are now thinking of "the government" as "the-gestapo-in-waiting" due to what happened with this election.

BumRushDaShow

(144,204 posts)
23. I feel it in this thread
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 06:28 PM
Nov 7

The past several decades, the LGBTQA+ community has fought to be "recognized" and with the Biden Administration listening to those calls, the Census Bureau was tasked to attempt to do that by finally providing some options to get someone's gender "right" (how individuals define it for themselves).

Now in the aftermath of this election and threats of "making lists", I can see how that would cause terror.

niyad

(120,663 posts)
19. Years ago, in an online "over 40's group" to which I belonged, newcomers
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 05:56 PM
Nov 7

were generally asked a/s/l , standing for age, sex, and location, as a casual, non-required introduction. Many of us, being smartasses, had various smartass answers, such as: a- older than god, s- not nearly enough, and l-- wherever I want to be.

I am guessing that such answers will not be an option?

BumRushDaShow

(144,204 posts)
24. Apparently for some questions in this "test" survey
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 06:30 PM
Nov 7

there are "write-in" fields, so someone might have at it there.

BumRushDaShow

(144,204 posts)
28. LOL
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:09 PM
Nov 7

I think the original intent was to be "inclusive" because the Census DOES track various subjects by gender and the typical standard choice of "male" or "female' wasn't working for many in the LGBTQA+ community.

But now with a loon administration coming in, this brings about big concerns unfortunately.

Deuxcents

(20,142 posts)
27. He tried this with the last census..remember? We were late getting started because he wanted
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 08:49 PM
Nov 7

To include this but I think the courts said to get the census started..it’s a constitutional timeline

BumRushDaShow

(144,204 posts)
30. Biden wasn't President when the 2020 Census was being finalized
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:12 PM
Nov 7

but 45 was trying to get the "citizen" nonsense on the actual Census form and I think that was struck down by the courts.

yaesu

(8,356 posts)
33. I will suffer from amnesia if I am sent any questionnaire while tRump is dictator.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:57 PM
Nov 7

I may reinvest myself, make up all kinds of shit like I am a God sent on a jewish space laser

moniss

(6,150 posts)
36. A way for them to come and find people
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 01:20 AM
Nov 8

like back in the day. They used to compare college admissions lists with the lists at the local draft board. If you didn't show on the draft board list you might get a knock on the door.

40. I will bet it wont be there
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:19 AM
Nov 8

when the next census actually rolls around, but not for reasons most on here would think.

Montauk6

(8,766 posts)
41. Given the Jeezoid/Fundie tendencies of the incoming cabal
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:39 AM
Nov 8

This DON'T pass the smell test at all.

CanonRay

(14,928 posts)
42. I wouldn't feel too good about doing this in a Trump administration
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:09 PM
Nov 8

Like signing your own death warrant.

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