Trump re-election sparks interest in South Korea's '4B' movement among American women

[SunSeeker]

Source: NBC News

The election of Donald Trump as the next U.S. president has triggered a surge of social media posts and internet search interest in South Korea’s fringe feminist "4B" movement, which calls on women to refrain from dating, having sex with men, having kids and marrying men.

Across TikTok, dozens of American women disappointed by Tuesday’s election results have posted videos stating their intention to participate in their own version of the 4B trend. Over 200,000 people looked up the “4B movement” on Google on Wednesday, making it one of the top trending topics on the online search engine. 

The 4B trend, which began in South Korea 2018 in the wake of the #MeToo movement, has become a way for some women to protest misogyny, gender discrimination and violence against women, according to Meera Choi, a Ph.D. candidate in the department of sociology at Yale University who studies heterosexual refusal among South Korean women.

“Women started thinking about how the government and the state and the men are failing them,” said Choi, and they subsequently began “not rewarding men by not participating in heterosexual relationships.”



Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/4b-movement-south-korea-inspires-american-women-trump-reelection-rcna179143

[msongs]

1. like the ancient greek women thing with war. nt

[DinahMoeHum]

3. Lysistrata

n/t

[Fiendish Thingy]

5. Yup.

Although implementing a Lysistrata strategy would likely trigger the delicate incel snowflakes into a wave of mass shootings.

[LymphocyteLover]

20. that was my thought. They did that in the first trump admin

[SunSeeker]

4. Lysistrata!

The eponymous heroine leads the women of Greece in a campaign against the Peloponnesian War. Their strategy: withholding sex from their husbands. Women from many different city-states in Greece swear an oath to support each other and participate in the collective action.

https://www.brooklynmuseum.org/eascfa/dinner_party/heritage_floor/lysistrata#:~:text=The%20eponymous%20heroine%20leads%20the,participate%20in%20the%20collective%20action.

[CousinIT]

2. LADIES. DO IT! Men don't deserve your love, bodies, companionship

Until and unless THEY RETURN YOUR FULL RIGHTS.

Get your financial house in order, ensure financial independence, forego marriage, sex, dating, childbearing (unless you are already HAPPILY married) until your rights are restored!

[SCantiGOP]

7. Well, thanks

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for letting me keep my wife and kids.

[Zeitghost]

35. I guess it's better

Than the calls I've seen here for married woman to leave their husbands in the last day or two. Not to mention those begging for WW3.


We live in strange times I guess, hopefully this reaction is temporary.

[AZLD4Candidate]

17. Should I inform my wife she has no reason to show any affection or love to me because other men are assholes?

I thought we here at DU were against collective guilt.

[CousinIT]

23. For those happily married and who are insulted by what I posted. Read it.

It says (unless you are HAPPILY married)

[Zeitghost]

34. You don't think single people

Deserve the loving relationship that my wife and I enjoy?

[Sparky 1]

36. Good men who really love women, deserve love.

[CousinIT]

37. I think women don't need to subscribe to a system that makes them being breeding livestock

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Rape targets, and second-class citizens, taxed higher for being childless etc.

Whatever that means.

The fact is that men need women for marriage and family, more than women need men. They have power and should use it.

But if some would rather carry on as if all this is normal, sure, go ahead!

[EastBayGuy]

45. Funny how the make it all about them...

[Jk23]

40. I mean some women actually enjoy sex

Perhaps one should rethink this.

[CousinIT]

42. Tell you what, sex toys do a better job. And she doesn't have to clean up his mess

or worry about STDs.

Done.

[BurnDoubt]

6. My thought on the end of Roe...

I thought a fair rejoinder would be: "Go Fuck Yourself".

[valleyrogue]

8. Great news!!! I have been living it more or less for 40 years.

Jessica Valenti wrote a great piece about this tonight on her Substack:

https://jessica.substack.com/p/the-fury-gap

[SunSeeker]

13. Thanks for the link!

Great piece. This is so on point:

And that’s the thing. Women aren’t opting out of relationships with men simply because they’ve gained political power, financial independence and the ability to create full lives on their own. It’s men’s bad behavior driving them away.

[Ocelot II]

26. I love this piece!

We old childless cat ladies have lived this shit since forever, but young women reasonably hoped it would finally change. But the men (and some women) betrayed them. I would say fuck them, but the better answer is, don't fuck them.

I am reminded of an old poster from the women's movement of the '60s and '70s: A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.

[Demobrat]

9. It's really the best way for a woman to keep herself safe.

Build a career. Earn her own money. Don’t have kids. Don’t ever live with a man.
It’s hard when you’re young and your hormones are making your decisions for you, but the alternative is dependence and domestic slavery.

Good on the women who recognize this. ,

[valleyrogue]

10. Having a lower standard of living without the second income is way

preferable than living under a system where women feel they have to trade their bodies for material support (marriage). I saw it years ago, still in my teens, and I was way ahead of my time. I am glad young women are seeing what I saw so long ago. It helped my sisters were way older than me, and for years they lived conventional lives.

[Demobrat]

11. It was worth it to me.

It’s the story of my life. I have had my own place since I was 18. Tried a female roommate at first, but no.
Have lived alone ever since. Never saw any reason to change that. Of course I never wanted kids, so it was a no brainer for me.

[SunSeeker]

12. Indeed. If I could only have my 20s back! I sure would do things differently!!

If I knew then what I know now, I would NEVER have gotten married.

I probably still would have had a kid, but I would have done it alone, like a friend of mine did through artificial insemination. I ended up doing all the child rearing work alone anyway while married--while also picking up after my husband AND working full time!

[Demobrat]

14. Of course you did. That's how it works.

He gets somebody to do what mommy did, you get a second job.

[Jk23]

41. You only get one life and life is better with a partner

Obviously a good partner and that's where sometimes mistakes are made but the idea that one should waste one's life to prove a point seems a bit silly.

[valleyrogue]

46. A "partner" is not a requirement to be happy. Life isn't "better" with one.

Especially in a marriage, a concept which requires women literally trade their bodies for men's use in exchange for material support.

THAT is a waste of a life, not being single. I pity you.

[moniss]

15. I've suggested this before and I even went further

after the repeal of Roe. My standpoint then and still is that because pregnancy can be life-threatening if a woman is forced into sex or an attempt is made to force her into sex then that is potentially placing her life at risk. Therefore the use of deadly force should be permitted as a valid claim of self defense in court.

Now I know that might put a crimp in the rosters of some Texas high school and college football teams but it also might make some men and boys think twice before not taking "no" for an answer.

[Ocelot II]

27. They want to outlaw not just abortion, but birth control and divorce.

Women would be effectively enslaved, no better off than in the middle ages.

[moniss]

29. Yes in the '50's women were trapped to a very real

extent. A man could pretend to be a good guy and convince a woman to marry him and then the real guy would come out. The domestic violence etc. The cops at the time would usually just try to convince her to "not set him off" etc. People watch "Happy Days" and they think that was the '50's. The reality for those of us who lived it was far from that. I've written about it all many times before but suffice it to say I saw plenty of women in grocery stores with their sunglasses on and you could see marks on their face and neck. Hands all bruised up. Nowhere to turn and even "going home to mother" usually meant the cops showing up and trying to convince you to "go back and make it work". There was little to no financial aid for women with kids so they were stuck with "going back" as the most workable option. Knowing what would happen. Again and again. I saw women so brutalized that their hands were shaking constantly and they almost never smiled. And worse cases than that. I saw women with their arms in a sling or with a bad limp. Seen way more than I could stomach and way too much to ever forget.

[Puppyjive]

16. I've always said

Do not pro create with republicans.

[SunSeeker]

18. Republicans are selfish clueless lovers anyway. nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. More childless cat ladies. It seems a good response to tRump's win on the backs of the incels. . . . . nt

[dreamland]

21. I applaud these women but ..

The repercussions will be more rapes committed, more adultery, and more ways for men to justify their atrocities towards women. These MAGA have no respect for women and that's why they voted for him.

[SergeStorms]

24. Don't forget Hitler's "Joy Divisions."

Hair Shitler wants nazi amerikkka, so he'd have no reservations about herding women into camps for the enjoyment of his loyal brown-shirts.

Drumpf Amerikkka is going to be a nightmare for many people. 😕

[Demobrat]

30. Which is why women need to understand

that they should never, ever allow themselves be caught alone with a man they do not wish to have sex with. NEVER invite a man into your home unless sex is on the agenda. Don’t even get into his car.

These are lessons I learned young. I’m afraid a lot of red state women are going to learn them too late.

[valleyrogue]

32. Baloney. Do you honestly think husbands and boyfriends protect you from rape?

The only answer is to stay away from them entirely. It is way safer to be alone than to have anything to do with them. Many men won't do shit to improve, and it isn't up to women to fix them.

If the human race dies out because women refuse to have anything to do with them, so be it.

[chouchou]

22. I'm lucky to have a left-wing intelligent male for a parner but HEY..I'm all for "Setting the scales"

I'll back you up all the way!

[ananda]

25. Shades of Lysistrata

I like it!

[Aristus]

38. The message of "Lysistrata" seems to be progressive, but it really isn't.

Aristophanes was basically saying to the men in the audience: “Do you see how irrational women are? How they are ruled by their emotions?” That and a few dick jokes are the bulk of the play.

[ananda]

43. The women go on strike against sex because...

the Peloponnesian War was going so badly and
killing men needlessly.

If that's what it takes for women to be heard
and respected, fine.

[LQ_Dem]

28. White women

The majority of white women voted for Trump. When you have all R's, all evangelicals, most all Catholics, and the majority of white women it's hard to lose.

[alarimer]

31. Good idea

Some of these men don't think women are actually people. Why tie yourself to man like that? Be free to do what you want, when you want.

[SunSeeker]

33. Women in South Korea who chose to avoid men/marriage/children are doing much better economically.

They chose to concentrate on their careers instead, and became financially independent. Financial independence means freedom. After 34 years of marriage, I wish I had chosen that path.

[JI7]

39. This is not South Korea

There were many women that voted Trump also.

[SunSeeker]

44. The voting gender gap between young men and women is similar to the US.

Of course, many women voted for misogyny in South Korea, like in the US. But the gender gap is similar to the US, albeit more culturally intense in South Korea:

In the 2022 presidential election, 59% of male voters between ages 18 and 29 voted for the conservative candidate Yoon Suk Yeol, who eventually won. Their support for Yoon was second only to that of voters aged 60 and older.

By contrast, young women under 30 were the least supportive constituents for Yoon of all gender-age groups. Only 34% voted for him, according to exit polls.

In recent major elections, young South Korean men and women have consistently shown around 15 to 30 percentage points' difference in their support of the main political parties. While many other developed countries – including the United States, Germany and the United Kingdom –are observing a similar phenomenon, experts say South Korea's fast social development and politicization of gender issues have made its case particularly intense.

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/10/1243819495/elections-reveal-a-growing-gender-divide-across-south-korea