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BumRushDaShow

(143,028 posts)
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 04:12 AM Nov 13

Michael Flynn says Mar-a-Lago staff should be subjected to polygraph tests to catch Trump cabinet pick 'leaker'

Source: The Independent

Tuesday 12 November 2024 21:48 GMT


Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn is calling for Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago staff to be subjected to polygraph tests after a series of press reports about the incoming president’s cabinet picks. Flynn, who briefly served in the Trump administration, made the remarks on X/Twitter on Tuesday in response to a tweet by controversial far-right activist Laura Loomer.

“It would be very easy to catch someone doing this. Give everyone that is there a one question poly (this is very easy to do). Ask them one question, “have you communicated with any media outlets in the past week?” You’ll see the leaks disappear,” Flynn said in response to a tweet by Loomer, a hard-right conspiracy theorist who traveled with Trump on the campaign trail.

On Monday, The New York Times reported that Trump had nominated Florida Republican Senator Marco Rubio to serve as his secretary of state. CNN reported that he’d also selected South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem to serve as secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. Both of the outlets cited unnamed sources familiar with the president’s thinking.

Reacting to news of the apparent leaks, Loomer wrote on X: “Why are people inside Mar-a-Lago leaking Trump’s possible cabinet picks to the media? Not a good sign that things are being leaked already. People should be respecting President Trump’s privacy and the privacy of the transition team.”

Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/michael-flynn-leaks-trump-cabinet-b2645900.html

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Michael Flynn says Mar-a-Lago staff should be subjected to polygraph tests to catch Trump cabinet pick 'leaker' (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 13 OP
Do the family first. Start with dementia donnie. Grokenstein Nov 13 #1
Polygraph test are easy to cheat. multigraincracker Nov 13 #2
Yeah, I was thinking torture would be more efficient Farmer-Rick Nov 13 #16
One, there is no such thing as "truth serum" Mosby Nov 13 #29
I took and passed a polygraph test against a cop. multigraincracker Nov 13 #48
Whatever. More outrage farming. notroot Nov 13 #3
It's all outrage, now. All of it. Everything. notroot Nov 13 #4
THIS X 1000 orangecrush Nov 13 #27
Yeah Faux pas Nov 13 #5
right along with traitor Marthe48 Nov 13 #11
His whole Faux pas Nov 13 #32
Most scientists agree that there is little basis for the validity of this TomWilm Nov 13 #6
The point is to terrorize. travelingthrulife Nov 13 #10
Yeah, I took a lie detector test once. Farmer-Rick Nov 13 #17
You didnt fail, the guy was fucking with you. Mosby Nov 13 #30
Good to know Farmer-Rick Nov 13 #31
If you want to find the leaker C_U_L8R Nov 13 #7
This traitor should be drawn and quartered. travelingthrulife Nov 13 #8
Yea, because the problem isn't where or with whom these discussions were held. taxi Nov 13 #9
Do they have a Spanish speaking polygraph operator? I imagine Trump properties are filled with Vinca Nov 13 #12
Yeah, when he was chanting Farmer-Rick Nov 13 #18
Pathological liar Michael Flynn? ck4829 Nov 13 #13
Neither tRump or Musk have any filters jmbar2 Nov 13 #14
US Traitor Mischa Mike Flynn sez what? n/t area51 Nov 13 #15
Twenty paranoid people together in a room. Soon the knives come out. Solly Mack Nov 13 #19
Why does he need to announce it. Just go for it. 33taw Nov 13 #20
What, they think they're CSI now? tonekat Nov 13 #21
Oh no! Send everyone to Clearwater, FL to be screened by a Scientology e-meter. Jacson6 Nov 13 #22
No water boarding? Mz Pip Nov 13 #23
No VeryProgressive Nov 13 #24
Why is this asshole not in prison? orangecrush Nov 13 #25
Lots of leaks in Trump's first term, too. tanyev Nov 13 #26
Excellent! Love it when the paranoia level goes up. Martin68 Nov 13 #28
They should be drug tested too. Autumn Nov 13 #33
It begins... Miguelito Loveless Nov 13 #34
Start with Flynn! Joe_Gadway Nov 13 #35
How long before, "we have ways to make you talk" comes back into common usage? n/t Harker Nov 13 #36
Soon, soon. The whole playbook has already been translated from the original German... Hekate Nov 13 #40
My wife's parents were born in Nazi Germany... Harker Nov 13 #41
We know Hekate Nov 13 #43
Thought that was news. Sorry! n/t Harker Nov 13 #45
I didn't know about you as an individual. I meant it in the sense that my husband's family as well... Hekate Nov 13 #49
Ah, I see. Harker Nov 13 #54
This is going to go well with the military. ffr Nov 13 #37
K&R red dog 1 Nov 13 #38
Two prime suspects for loose lips: the Orange Monster & the Muskrat Hekate Nov 13 #39
My guess is everybody at Mar-a-lardo were talking about this. IcyPeas Nov 13 #42
Exactly. Trump is the man who carried on an emergency meeting not in a SCIF ... Hekate Nov 13 #44
where is George Castanza when you need him? Javaman Nov 13 #46
dupe Javaman Nov 13 #47
don't be mad at Trump for the picks that are unpopular with the base, be mad at the imaginary leakers PedroXimenez Nov 13 #50
Why the fuck does Michael Flynn... Karasu Nov 13 #51
There is no honor among thieves. CentralMass Nov 13 #52
And waterboarding! How can he forget that? JohnnyRingo Nov 13 #53
There are several options I would apply on Flynn LiberalFighter Nov 13 #55
Start with Donald Trump, okay? jmowreader Nov 13 #56
"Ask them one question" Oliver Bolliver Butt Nov 13 #57

Farmer-Rick

(11,461 posts)
16. Yeah, I was thinking torture would be more efficient
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 09:10 AM
Nov 13

Well, not efficient unless you're W or Cheney. But more fun for MAGAts. And since a lot of his staff is Hispanic, he can deport them afterwards.

If they record the torture sessions Trump can rewind it and watch it over and over again. Like he did with his attack on the Capitol.

Mosby

(17,528 posts)
29. One, there is no such thing as "truth serum"
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 11:32 AM
Nov 13

Two, polygraphs do not detect deception.

It's pseudoscience used by cops. That's it.

multigraincracker

(34,149 posts)
48. I took and passed a polygraph test against a cop.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 05:17 PM
Nov 13

She refused to take it and the property in question, magically turned up.
The tech that gave me the test asked the most embarrassing question to begin the session. I answered them. He explained to me that 90% of those that take the test confessed after being asked those questions. I just focused on my breathing and the needle never moved. He said I passed, but he didn’t believe me. He worked for the police.
Just goes to show.

 

notroot

(267 posts)
3. Whatever. More outrage farming.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 04:28 AM
Nov 13

The media can go fuck itself with a razor-wrapped baseball bat for all I give a fuck.

 

notroot

(267 posts)
4. It's all outrage, now. All of it. Everything.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 04:30 AM
Nov 13

Just one outrage after another. There's no sorting them by priority.

When everything is a priority, then NOTHING is a priority.

Faux pas

(15,385 posts)
32. His whole
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 12:05 PM
Nov 13

previous "administration" and most of the magat congress effers. Lol might as well dip into the supreme court too. Let's have a field day

TomWilm

(1,857 posts)
6. Most scientists agree that there is little basis for the validity of this
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 04:57 AM
Nov 13
Most psychologists and other scientists agree that there is little basis for the validity of polygraph tests.

A particular problem is that polygraph research has not separated placebo-like effects (the subject's belief in the efficacy of the procedure) from the actual relationship between deception and their physiological responses. One reason that polygraph tests may appear to be accurate is that subjects who believe that the test works and that they can be detected may confess or will be very anxious when questioned. If this view is correct, the lie detector might be better called a fear detector.

Without a better theoretical understanding of the mechanisms by which deception functions, however, development of a lie detection technology seems highly problematic. For now, although the idea of a lie detector may be comforting, the most practical advice is to remain skeptical about any conclusion wrung from a polygraph.

American Psychological Association
https://www.apa.org/topics/cognitive-neuroscience/polygraph

travelingthrulife

(809 posts)
10. The point is to terrorize.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:16 AM
Nov 13

These people want nothing to do with truth. If they were hooked up they would probably start the lie detector on fire.

Farmer-Rick

(11,461 posts)
17. Yeah, I took a lie detector test once.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 09:18 AM
Nov 13

The guy was just practicing. So, it was all just normal questions like do you have curly hair? Do you eat bread?

I failed miserably. Seems I was nervous and everything I said came out as a lie. Also the straps and clips weren't tight enough. He kept readjusting them.

Mosby

(17,528 posts)
30. You didnt fail, the guy was fucking with you.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 11:39 AM
Nov 13

Changes in breathing, heart rate, skin conductivity don't have a fucking thing to do with deception. You could wire a person up and ask them where they were born, let's say they say "Mars". None of those measures will change, because the entire polygraph control question technique is a fraud.

It's basically a interrogation mind-fuck technique used by cops. If it "works" it's because people believe it works




taxi

(1,989 posts)
9. Yea, because the problem isn't where or with whom these discussions were held.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:15 AM
Nov 13

Clearly it is the fault of the bus buy or the server. Oh, mea culpa, the coffee boy.

Vinca

(51,111 posts)
12. Do they have a Spanish speaking polygraph operator? I imagine Trump properties are filled with
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:47 AM
Nov 13

the people he purports to hate so much. Will he raid his own golf clubs?

Farmer-Rick

(11,461 posts)
18. Yeah, when he was chanting
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 09:20 AM
Nov 13

Mass Deportations, I always wondered if he was going to include his own staff.

VeryProgressive

(60 posts)
24. No
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 10:31 AM
Nov 13

That’s not how polygraphs administered. You can’t ask just one question as you have to have other questions by which to use as a baseline.

tanyev

(44,590 posts)
26. Lots of leaks in Trump's first term, too.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 11:17 AM
Nov 13

How about you start with all the people from that time that are still around, OK, Mikey?

Joe_Gadway

(49 posts)
35. Start with Flynn!
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 01:16 PM
Nov 13

Michael Flynn should be polygraphed and asked about collusion with Russia in 2016.
Better yet: "Have you ever committed any crimes we don't know about yet?"
And go from there.

Hekate

(94,900 posts)
40. Soon, soon. The whole playbook has already been translated from the original German...
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 04:33 PM
Nov 13

Make sure you carry your papers with you.

Hekate

(94,900 posts)
49. I didn't know about you as an individual. I meant it in the sense that my husband's family as well...
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 05:27 PM
Nov 13

His late mother came from Austria; his late father from Poland. My husband and his brothers were born in Belgium after WWII — their parents met after the slaughter was over. They came to NY in the 1950s.

So — we know.

Harker

(15,030 posts)
54. Ah, I see.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:18 PM
Nov 13

My in-laws were in the Kassel area as children, heavily bombed on account of heavy industry and the object of house to house combat and armored counterattacks in April of 1945. His legs were badly burned in a bombing raid, and he's still traumatized by what he saw in the hospital.

They came to New York in the late 50s.

Such horror.



ffr

(23,127 posts)
37. This is going to go well with the military.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 02:36 PM
Nov 13

It will have a chilling effect throughout our military rank and file.

Good job America. You couldn't bring yourself to vote for the lady, AGAIN! You fucked yourself and all of us!

Hekate

(94,900 posts)
44. Exactly. Trump is the man who carried on an emergency meeting not in a SCIF ...
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 04:56 PM
Nov 13

…but in the outdoor dining room over dinner with the Japanese delegation, in sight and hearing of all Trump’s Mar A Lago guests, and the guests were allowed to photograph the papers on the table…

And that was just part of the opening act of Trump’s first term.

Why blame the staff, except they are easy pickings to brutalize?



PedroXimenez

(600 posts)
50. don't be mad at Trump for the picks that are unpopular with the base, be mad at the imaginary leakers
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 05:40 PM
Nov 13

get ready, this will happen through Trump's entire term.

jmowreader

(51,519 posts)
56. Start with Donald Trump, okay?
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:24 PM
Nov 13

There's a decent chance Trump "leaked" the names himself as a means of owning the libs.

57. "Ask them one question"
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:24 PM
Nov 13

With one question, you'll have no control sample against which to judge whether the answer to that question is truthful. Just another thing that happens when you put morons in charge, I guess.

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