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riversedge

(73,118 posts)
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 02:57 PM Tuesday

Rep. Nancy Mace says Capitol restroom bill targeted at 1st transgender member of Congress

Source: abc



Rep.-elect Sarah McBride is the first transgender member of Congress.
By Isabella Murray, John Parkinson, and Lauren Peller
November 19, 2024, 10:58 AM


Republican Rep. Nancy Mace said Tuesday that the bill she introduced to ban transgender women from using women's restrooms at the U.S. Capitol was "absolutely" in response to Rep.-elect Sarah McBride's entering Congress.

"Yes, and absolutely. And then some," Mace told reporters at the Capitol.

"I'm not going to stand for a man, you know, someone with a penis, in the women's locker room," she said.


...........Mace said she wanted to expand her efforts and push a measure that would ban transgender women from using women's bathrooms on all federal property.....................


Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mace-effort-ban-transgender-women-capitols-womens-restrooms/story?id=116009034



Mace sets a bad example in the halls of Congress.




Rep.-elect Sarah McBride poses for a photograph after joining other congressional freshmen of the 119th Congress for a group photograph on the steps of the House of Representatives at the U.S. Capitol Building, Nov. 15, 2024, in Washington.

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Rep. Nancy Mace says Capitol restroom bill targeted at 1st transgender member of Congress (Original Post) riversedge Tuesday OP
In response Lunabell Tuesday #1
Given the way Repubs hoodwinked the voters into a Republican sweep, I think this is an excellent idea ificandream Tuesday #5
Mace doesn't know anything about our new congresswoman. She's a wonderful person. Walleye Tuesday #2
And they try to sell this hateful pig as one of the sane ones. Fuck this skag. Comfortably_Numb Tuesday #3
A bill that targets 1 person and that's it. Wow, man...Congress (or some of them) are running out of important things SWBTATTReg Tuesday #4
She's been in bathrooms with trans people and doesn't know it HereForTheParty Tuesday #6
Is Nancy Mace going to check down there? IronLionZion Tuesday #7
Hoo Hoo Inspector Mace, from next state over Bernardo de La Paz Tuesday #9
Install a porta-potty in Mace's office so she can avoid hobnobbing with real people like McBride. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Tuesday #8
Trump taught them well: be a complete asshole, and when called on it, triple down Prairie Gates Tuesday #10
Gender neutral restrooms manicdem Tuesday #11
I think so! moose65 Tuesday #13
Mix em all up, all stalls for both Normalizethis Yesterday #25
"Real women" Lulu KC 5 hrs ago #38
Reserve One Restroom down Ursus Arctos Tuesday #12
Wonder how she'd react if this person was in the restroom... SeattleVet Tuesday #14
I was thinking the same thing ... SomewhereInTheMiddle Yesterday #26
Democratic Party needs to have separate facilities from those bigots wolfie001 Tuesday #15
Someone should educate Congresswoman Mace on what a "bill of attainder" is when she targeted one person or group Bluejeans Tuesday #16
God, Nancy Mace is a worthless asshole. Initech Tuesday #17
I didn't think Mace could go so low LittleGirl Tuesday #18
It's cruel NJCher Tuesday #19
Horrible! I'm furious. nt LittleGirl Tuesday #21
And yet over half of the US voting public AGREES with this. GoYouPackersGo Tuesday #20
Hidden Figures BidenRocks Tuesday #22
Good Grief! Rhiannon12866 Yesterday #23
Why do women care???? Normalizethis Yesterday #24
Most women don't care, sheshe2 Yesterday #27
This woman doesn't care jfz9580m Yesterday #32
I wish they'd integrate male/women Normalizethis Yesterday #33
you are trying way too hard Skittles 22 hrs ago #36
If it were claudette Yesterday #28
How mean Figarosmom Yesterday #29
The absolute meanness BlueMTexpat Yesterday #30
Nancy Mace jfz9580m Yesterday #31
Like I said on another thread: Don't worry johnnyfins Yesterday #34
she does this while pimping for a rapist president Skittles 22 hrs ago #35
Couple of things: no_hypocrisy 21 hrs ago #37

Lunabell

(6,810 posts)
1. In response
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:01 PM
Tuesday

Last edited Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:55 PM - Edit history (1)

Democrats need to introduce a bill forbidding Matt Gaetz, Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth from entering a woman's bathroom!

ificandream

(10,507 posts)
5. Given the way Repubs hoodwinked the voters into a Republican sweep, I think this is an excellent idea
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:16 PM
Tuesday

We need to make more statements rather than sit on the sidelines and watch the Repubs do their shit. It's time we reacted.

Walleye

(35,655 posts)
2. Mace doesn't know anything about our new congresswoman. She's a wonderful person.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:01 PM
Tuesday

Intelligent, experienced, empathetic. She was in the state Senate in Delaware. We elected her, the whole state dammit. I would just love to tell Nancy Mace to go fuck herself

Comfortably_Numb

(4,108 posts)
3. And they try to sell this hateful pig as one of the sane ones. Fuck this skag.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:02 PM
Tuesday

Every republican has a necrotic heart. Hate does that.

SWBTATTReg

(24,085 posts)
4. A bill that targets 1 person and that's it. Wow, man...Congress (or some of them) are running out of important things
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:13 PM
Tuesday

to do in Congress.

Good grief, this is pathetic.

As a taxpayer, I am pissed that they wasted time on this when there are so many other critical things to do (I am thinking).

Save your politicking when you are actually running for office again and don't waste taxpayers' money on these idiotic single issue topics/red button topics.

IronLionZion

(46,962 posts)
7. Is Nancy Mace going to check down there?
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:38 PM
Tuesday

Who is supposed to enforce this rule that is clearly targeted to bully one specific individual?

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,893 posts)
8. Install a porta-potty in Mace's office so she can avoid hobnobbing with real people like McBride. . . . . . nt
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:51 PM
Tuesday

Prairie Gates

(3,032 posts)
10. Trump taught them well: be a complete asshole, and when called on it, triple down
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 04:08 PM
Tuesday

Nancy Mace would 100% drop the Zyklon-B into the mechanism. Hell, she'd volunteer for that duty.

manicdem

(499 posts)
11. Gender neutral restrooms
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 04:14 PM
Tuesday

I think it's time to require all restrooms to be gender neutral. There's really no reason to have men and women's separate restrooms anymore.

moose65

(3,309 posts)
13. I think so!
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 06:16 PM
Tuesday

People have SO many hangups about bathrooms. It is strange.

When a Five Guys opened in my town several years ago, it had two single-use restrooms, and the signs on the door had both men and women on them. These restrooms had one toilet and one sink in them, and were made for one user at a time. People must have complained, because today one of them is labeled Men and the other, Women.

And yet, everyone uses the same bathrooms on planes and no one has a problem. Everyone uses the same bathrooms in their own homes without issues.

This proposal from Mace is just cruel. Wonder what all of those creepy republican men think about using the restroom with McBride??

Normalizethis

(3 posts)
25. Mix em all up, all stalls for both
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 01:30 AM
Yesterday

It's the only way that makes sense. Real women should be fine with it.

Ursus Arctos

(49 posts)
12. Reserve One Restroom down
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 05:26 PM
Tuesday

in a basement, very far from Mace's office, with a lovely Transphobic Bigots Only sign on it. All the Republicans are welcome to use it.

26. I was thinking the same thing ...
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 01:33 AM
Yesterday

This is the logical conclusion of requiring the use of birth gender restrooms. Going to be a lot of trans men in ladies' rooms around the country which will be a lot more alarming to the people in the restrooms than a transwoman would be.

And without some sort of genital check before entry there would be no way to tell other than self-identification. Which seems to be the problem most proponents are citing - people nefariously misidentifying themselves.

wolfie001

(3,623 posts)
15. Democratic Party needs to have separate facilities from those bigots
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:11 PM
Tuesday

That's really the only answer here.

Bluejeans

(89 posts)
16. Someone should educate Congresswoman Mace on what a "bill of attainder" is when she targeted one person or group
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:27 PM
Tuesday

Her bill, if it ever passed the House and the Senate and was signed by the President would probably be declared unconstitutional as a bill of attainder against transgendered people. Her own words about when she initiated the bill and who she was targeting with it would be the core of any lawsuit to have it declared unconstitutional.

Normalizethis

(3 posts)
24. Why do women care????
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 01:26 AM
Yesterday

If a man or woman is in the bathroom with them?!?!!? I've been at clubs where there were women in the men's bathrooms, nobody cared!

I miss that place.

sheshe2

(87,464 posts)
27. Most women don't care,
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 01:46 AM
Yesterday

I sure don’t. I used to go to gay clubs to dance and have fun and never once had to worry about a man hitting on me. It is a pretty safe place for women.

As for the bathrooms? Lol, you pee where you pee. I had no problem with it.

jfz9580m

(15,487 posts)
32. This woman doesn't care
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 02:36 AM
Yesterday

I doubt that most women care. This is another bullshit issue because the GOP has no policies or ideas. Just a perpetual faux outrage machine.

Normalizethis

(3 posts)
33. I wish they'd integrate male/women
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 03:55 AM
Yesterday

All showers in schools. Like Starship Troopers. Just mix em all in. Seems fine for a guy like me. I'd be fine with it.

claudette

(4,484 posts)
28. If it were
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 02:03 AM
Yesterday

a transgender man would the same happen to him? I just don’t understand the fear. Bathrooms have doors.

jfz9580m

(15,487 posts)
31. Nancy Mace
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 02:34 AM
Yesterday

A week or so ago I thought she sounded like one of the more moderate (well by the standards of these times) Republicans..she had voiced some support for abortion and for LGBT+ rights according to her wiki page.
Looks like she is going full on Maga cult.

johnnyfins

(1,395 posts)
34. Like I said on another thread: Don't worry
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 04:07 AM
Yesterday

Nance. No one will be trying to look at your wretched nazi bits. Afraid they'll find bronzer where it shouldn't be?

no_hypocrisy

(48,778 posts)
37. Couple of things:
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 07:22 AM
21 hrs ago

*IF* the bill were to be enacted before January 20, Biden would veto it.

*IF* the bill were to be enacted post-January 20 and Trump signed it, the new statute would be susceptible to legal challenges:

A) Bill of Attainder.
A bill of attainder is a piece of legislation that declares a party is guilty of a crime. Bills of attainder allow the government to punish a party for a perceived crime without first going through the trial process.

In the United States, bills of attainder are unconstitutional as stated in Article 1 Section 9 and Article 1 Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution. Article 9 prohibits federal bills of attainder and Article 10 prohibits bills of attainder by the states. The constitutional ban on bills of attainder works to uphold separation of powers principles by preventing Congress from assuming the functions of the judicial branch.

Courts have adopted a three-part test to determine if a law functions as a bill of attainder:
The law inflicts punishment.
The law targets specific named or identifiable individuals or groups.
Those individuals or groups would otherwise have judicial protections.


In Nixon v. Adm'r of General Services, the court determined that punishment for the purposes of bills of attainder will determined by considering:
Whether the statute would historically be viewed as punitive.
Whether the statute, viewed in terms of burdens and severity, can reasonably be said to further non-punitive purposes.
Was that a congressional intent for the statute to further punitive goals.


This bill by Nancy Mace is designed to marginalize and persecute Sarah McBride and nobody else as there are no other transgendered members of the House presently or prospectively.

or

B) The Equal Protection Clause in the Fifth Amendment of the Federal Constitution.

Equal Protection refers to the idea that a governmental body may not deny people equal protection of its governing laws. The governing body state must treat an individual in the same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances.

Permissible Discrimination
It is important to acknowledge that a government is allowed to discriminate against individuals, as long as the discrimination satisfies the equal protection analysis outlined below, and described in full detail in this Santa Clara Law Review article.

U.S. Constitution
The Fifth Amendment's Due Process Clause requires the United States government to practice equal protection. The Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause requires states to practice equal protection.

Equal protection forces a state to govern impartially—not draw distinctions between individuals solely on differences that are irrelevant to a legitimate governmental objective. Thus, the equal protection clause is crucial to the protection of civil rights.

Equal Protection Analysis
When an individual believes that either the federal government or a state government has violated their guaranteed equal rights, that individual is able to bring a lawsuit against that governmental body for relief.

Based on the type of discrimination alleged, the individual will first need to prove that the governing body actually discriminated against the individual. The individual will need to prove that the governing body's action resulted in actual harm to them. After proving this, the court will typically scrutinize the governmental action in one of several three ways to determine whether the governmental body's action is permissible: these three methods are referred to as strict scrutiny, intermediate scrutiny, and rational basis scrutiny. The court will determine which scrutiny the individual will be subject to, relying on legal precedent to determine which level of scrutiny to use. It is important to note that courts have combined elements of two of the three tests to create an ad hoc test.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/equal_protection#:~:text=Overview,in%20similar%20conditions%20and%20circumstances.

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