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BumRushDaShow

(144,195 posts)
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 07:35 AM Nov 26

Private-sector paydays threaten Mike Johnson's House majority

Source: Axios

11 hours ago


House Republicans' hunt for cold, hard cash threatens to further complicate Speaker Mike Johnson's majority — which is on track to be the narrowest since the Great Depression.

Why it matters: Johnson's power flows from his close bond with President-elect Trump. Keeping that power will depend on how many of Johnson's members he can convince to defer their big paydays until after 2025.

  • Salary is a major sore spot for House lawmakers. They last got a pay bump to $174,000 in 2009 and are banned from the lucrative advances on book deals that their Senate colleagues enjoy.


  • Just Monday, Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) joined — and then deactivated — a Cameo account offering personalized video pep talks for $250 a pop.

  • Her colleagues aren't that far off: Multiple House Republicans have told Axios they'd be eager to monetize their X accounts, among other side hustles.


  • 🚨 But the real threat to Johnson's majority is people leaving for private-sector jobs.

  • At least five House lawmakers quit Congress early in the last two years to pursue private-sector paychecks. Another four resigned early for other reasons, two died in office and one was expelled.
  • If similar patterns play out over the next two years, Johnson's majority is permanently at risk.
  • "They're going to need to do something because it impacts recruitment," one member told Axios. "You'll get rich people or people that can't get better jobs."


  • Read more: https://www.axios.com/2024/11/26/mike-johnson-congress-cameo-jobs-books
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    Private-sector paydays threaten Mike Johnson's House majority (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 26 OP
    I never thought about congresscritters feeling the paycheck pinch jmbar2 Nov 26 #1
    In Washington, DC... GB_RN Nov 26 #2
    It would be especially hard when there is so much changeover every election jmbar2 Nov 26 #4
    Two Years Ago... GB_RN Nov 26 #5
    Wow - didn't think of the impact on young and nonaffluent reps jmbar2 Nov 26 #6
    Yeah, It's Not Easy... GB_RN Nov 26 #7
    If someone in DC that breaks their back working in retail or the service industry can afford something so can they. cstanleytech Nov 26 #23
    At least some of this is straight-out racism FakeNoose Nov 26 #26
    Sorry, But NOT All Of Them Are Rolling In Money... GB_RN Nov 26 #28
    Ok, let's say that their shelling out 3k for rent and 2500 for utilities and food for total of 33000 a year. cstanleytech Nov 26 #30
    I Have No Problem With That. GB_RN Nov 26 #31
    Ya but even then with that much money leftover after paying for DC they shouldn't have any problems there. cstanleytech Nov 26 #32
    The formatting is part of the axios article.... reACTIONary Nov 26 #8
    Axios does that type of formatting normally, so I try to match their formatting for the copy/paste BumRushDaShow Nov 26 #11
    They should quit then. AltairIV Nov 26 #3
    My Step-Brother is a Congressman. He's is an accomplished lawyer. Lochloosa Nov 26 #10
    I'll take a wild guess that he's a Democrat mountain grammy Nov 26 #17
    Die Hard Democrat. He's one of the good ones. I'll pass it on. Lochloosa Nov 26 #18
    Who is paying Bobo for pep talks? IronLionZion Nov 26 #9
    Prolly a $250 peep show johnnyfins Nov 26 #13
    Certainly a positive situation to look forward to. But don't the Dems have the same situation? Fla Dem Nov 26 #12
    But Uglicans are more eager to sell their principles for cash, so more of them likely to leave. eppur_se_muova Nov 26 #19
    Only Republicans Diraven Nov 26 #29
    bobo was doing pep talks on cameo? orleans Nov 26 #14
    If I win the $400M+ Mega lottery, here's my plan SpankMe Nov 26 #15
    The Axios summary of the departures from the House the past two years has a couple of errors onenote Nov 26 #16
    You missed some of the point of the article and the fact that the 118th Congress is STILL in session BumRushDaShow Nov 26 #20
    Thanks for the update and for confirming that the Axios article contained errors. onenote Nov 26 #21
    The fact that they even used "at least" BumRushDaShow Nov 26 #22
    The article definitely could have used a better editor. onenote Nov 26 #24
    All of the news sites lack good editors BumRushDaShow Nov 26 #27
    Here's an idea...... moose65 Nov 26 #25

    jmbar2

    (6,230 posts)
    1. I never thought about congresscritters feeling the paycheck pinch
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 07:41 AM
    Nov 26
    I LOVE how you summarized and formatted for easy and quick reading. Kudos!

    That's really not a lot of money these days for folks maintaining a DC residence and one back home. Of course they have a lot of slush funds available as well...

    They may start feeling the effects of Trump's inflationary policies like the rest of us. Good!

    GB_RN

    (3,217 posts)
    2. In Washington, DC...
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 07:43 AM
    Nov 26

    Housing is expensive AF. It’s not uncommon for you to see multiple reps/senators sharing an apartment.

    jmbar2

    (6,230 posts)
    4. It would be especially hard when there is so much changeover every election
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 07:47 AM
    Nov 26

    I imagine finding a place to live after an election would be like musical chairs.

    Joe Biden was smart all these years to just take the train.

    GB_RN

    (3,217 posts)
    5. Two Years Ago...
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 07:50 AM
    Nov 26

    When Maxwell Frost was elected, I remember reading about how he was having difficulty finding an apartment, due in part to the expense and the fact that they get paid once a month, so it was going to be a bit before he could even make a rental deposit. There was at least one Repuke who tried making fun of him for it. It didn’t go well for that clown.

    jmbar2

    (6,230 posts)
    6. Wow - didn't think of the impact on young and nonaffluent reps
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 07:53 AM
    Nov 26

    I'm a part time substitute and once a month paydays are REALLY hard to manage.

    GB_RN

    (3,217 posts)
    7. Yeah, It's Not Easy...
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 08:02 AM
    Nov 26

    Going into the job for new members of Congress who don’t have a lot of money. That’s partly why Congress is so full of rich people. Your average person can’t afford 1) to run for office because they basically can’t work while campaigning and 2) as stated above, DC isn’t cheap to live in.

    cstanleytech

    (27,176 posts)
    23. If someone in DC that breaks their back working in retail or the service industry can afford something so can they.
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 02:18 PM
    Nov 26

    It might not be the McMansion that they feel they are entitled because they are an elected official but tough shit.

    FakeNoose

    (36,003 posts)
    26. At least some of this is straight-out racism
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 03:16 PM
    Nov 26

    The population of Washington DC is something like 80% minorities to 20% white. These incoming politicos want to be in high-priced all white areas - you know, the gated-community types - and there aren't many vacancies in those places. So between what they want and what they can afford, it's a tight squeeze.

    Try living in a friendly, affordable, safe neighborhood with black neighbors! I'm doing it as well as many others here on DU. I've had no complaints for the last 30 years.

    GB_RN

    (3,217 posts)
    28. Sorry, But NOT All Of Them Are Rolling In Money...
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 03:24 PM
    Nov 26

    Before being elected. And rent in DC is fucking astronomical.

    The average rent in Washington, DC varies by the number of bedrooms in the apartment, with the average rent for a studio being lower than that of a one-bedroom, two-bedroom, or three-bedroom apartment:
    Studio: $1,867 per month
    One bedroom: $2,302 per month
    Two bedroom: $3,089 per month
    Three bedroom: $3,878 per month
    The median rent for a house in Washington, DC is $2,500, with a range of $685–$25,000.


    I’m fairly well compensated as a nurse (comparatively speaking), but I couldn’t afford that rent. I need a 2 Br because my son lives with me. No fucking way I could toss out what’s more than double what I pay now.

    You’re lumping EVERY member of Congress together with all the rich Congress critters. It doesn’t work that way. Not all of them are born with silver spoons up their noses. Maxwell Frost is not, nor was he rolling in dough when he won in ‘22; he was just 25 when he was elected. Not many people that age making enough money to go right into DC and get a place, and he was no exception: He basically wasn’t working while running, as that’s a full time job. In addition, he’d had to run up personal debt to finance his campaign. That debt was one reason he couldn’t get an apartment.

    cstanleytech

    (27,176 posts)
    30. Ok, let's say that their shelling out 3k for rent and 2500 for utilities and food for total of 33000 a year.
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 04:33 PM
    Nov 26

    $174,000 - 40% for taxes at most = $104,400 - $33,000 = $71,400
    Ya, I know they need to travel back and forth to their States, I get that but instead of a pay raise they should get something like a debit card for them to use to pay for themselves and one other for up to 52 flights to and from their home state only...... economy class.

    GB_RN

    (3,217 posts)
    31. I Have No Problem With That.
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 05:55 PM
    Nov 26

    And my line of thinking wasn’t that they necessarily deserved a pay raise, merely that DC rental prices have outpaced Congress’ paychecks - and made it almost unaffordable for some. After all, not everyone is like Josh Haul-ass Hawley, who (in violation of the Constitution) claims his sister’s address as his domicile in MO, but doesn’t actually live there, and thus, has more money for a house (whatever) as his permanent residence in NoVA.

    Maintaining a residence in DC, plus your “home” back in your state adds up $$$ quickly.

    cstanleytech

    (27,176 posts)
    32. Ya but even then with that much money leftover after paying for DC they shouldn't have any problems there.
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 06:52 PM
    Nov 26

    Unless they want enough money to pay for things like a private cook, maid and other luxuries.

    reACTIONary

    (6,157 posts)
    8. The formatting is part of the axios article....
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 08:41 AM
    Nov 26

    This is the adios "power point" style book. Some folks like it, others detest it.

    BumRushDaShow

    (144,195 posts)
    11. Axios does that type of formatting normally, so I try to match their formatting for the copy/paste
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 09:23 AM
    Nov 26

    and I have seen Reuters do it at times as well!

    AltairIV

    (686 posts)
    3. They should quit then.
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 07:45 AM
    Nov 26

    $174,000 for a part time job that has fewer qualifications than a stock boy job at Macy's or Stop and Shop is grossly overpaid.

    Lochloosa

    (16,442 posts)
    10. My Step-Brother is a Congressman. He's is an accomplished lawyer.
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 09:19 AM
    Nov 26

    He can't afford to rent in DC, so he has slept on his office couch for years. He has to fly coach when he goes home (and it's a very long flight) and eats in the commissary and showers in the House Gym.

    His job is far from "part time". I'll bet he works longer hours than you ever have.

    He accepts the $175K because he cares about his District and this Country. He could walk away with a 7 figure salary, but chooses to stay and fight the good fight.

    He could "quit" like 8 million voters in the Democratic Party chose to do this year. But, he is better than that.

    Fla Dem

    (25,870 posts)
    12. Certainly a positive situation to look forward to. But don't the Dems have the same situation?
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 09:33 AM
    Nov 26
    The bottom line: Even at full strength, the House GOP majority will be at most 221-214. That's a what margin nightmares are made of.


    We have to hold our 214 to capitalize on any losses the Rethugs experience. But we're as vulnerable to sickness, death, retirement or leaving for a better job losses as the Rethugs.

    Nothing is for certain.

    eppur_se_muova

    (37,662 posts)
    19. But Uglicans are more eager to sell their principles for cash, so more of them likely to leave.
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 11:23 AM
    Nov 26

    Sucks to be them.

    orleans

    (35,249 posts)
    14. bobo was doing pep talks on cameo?
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 10:08 AM
    Nov 26

    damn! it would have been worth it to pay her for a pep talk about how we shouldn't lose hope about trump being thrown in jail

    SpankMe

    (3,314 posts)
    15. If I win the $400M+ Mega lottery, here's my plan
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 10:09 AM
    Nov 26

    Find Republican House members who are, a) in vulnerable districts and 2) in states with Democratic governors...and offer them $2M each to resign and pursue careers in the private sector. I'll pay their mortgage and I'll pay for executive job search services until they're employed at positions that pay more than their House salary.

    If Elon can buy Trump the presidency, I can buy the House.

    onenote

    (44,805 posts)
    16. The Axios summary of the departures from the House the past two years has a couple of errors
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 10:10 AM
    Nov 26

    While it is correct that 11 vacancies opened up and were filled via special elections the past two years, only three were specifically job-related departures and there were three deaths, not two.

    The eleven vacancies can be summarized as follows:

    SIX REPUBLICAN VACANCIES:
    1 Expelled (Santos)
    1 job-related (Johnson)
    4 non-job related (McCarthy, Buck, Gallagher, Stewart)

    FIVE DEMOCRATIC VACANCIES:
    3 deaths (Payne, Lee, McEachin)
    2 job-related (Cicilline, Higgins)

    The only special election resulting in a change in the party holding the seat was the election of Tom Suozzi to replace the expelled Santos.

    BumRushDaShow

    (144,195 posts)
    20. You missed some of the point of the article and the fact that the 118th Congress is STILL in session
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 12:14 PM
    Nov 26

    TO correct your below -

    The eleven fifteen vacancies can be summarized as follows:

    SIX EIGHT REPUBLICAN VACANCIES:
    1 Expelled (Santos)
    1 3 job-related (Johnson, Waltz, Gaetz, Stefanik*)
    4 non-job related (McCarthy, Buck, Gallagher, Stewart)

    *will resign Jan. 20, 2025


    FIVE SIX DEMOCRATIC VACANCIES:
    3 4 deaths (Payne, Lee, McEachin, Pascrell)
    2 job-related (Cicilline, Higgins)


    https://clerk.house.gov/Members/ViewVacancies
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/16/congress-lawmakers-resignations/

    I think Axios was sort of doing an "update" of that March WaPo article (which they actually link to).

    onenote

    (44,805 posts)
    21. Thanks for the update and for confirming that the Axios article contained errors.
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 12:36 PM
    Nov 26

    This is from the Axis article: "At least five House lawmakers quit Congress early in the last two years to pursue private-sector paychecks. Another four resigned early for other reasons, two died in office and one was expelled."

    As your post indicates, during the past two years, four members died in office, not two. And only three left "to pursue private-sector paychecks". And while Gaetz resigned during the 118th Congress, Stefanik and Waltz, are not resigning after the start of the 119th Congress and all three left not for private sector positions, but to pursue portions in the Trump administration, not in the private sector.

    Thusly corrected, the Axios article should have said: "At least five Three House lawmakers quit Congress early the last two years to pursue private-sector paychecks. At least another five resigned early for other reasons, two four died in office and one was expelled."

    BumRushDaShow

    (144,195 posts)
    22. The fact that they even used "at least"
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 02:13 PM
    Nov 26

    should have clued you on the "estimating" since this is obviously a fluid situation, with 45 pulling people for appointee positions.

    In a related example, am also keeping an eye on people like Raúl M. Grijalva, who was diagnosed with cancer and missed much of this past year's session.

    My own Congressman Dwight Evans had a stroke this past May and also missed a number of votes, although he easily got re-elected as he was unopposed in what has often been dubbed one of the bluest districts in the country - currently PA-3 (previously PA-2) (I sat in on his "telephone townhall" call last week).

    onenote

    (44,805 posts)
    24. The article definitely could have used a better editor.
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 02:25 PM
    Nov 26

    Using "at least" in the same sentence as "in the past two years" suggests that the article is looking back, not forward, in its description of the departures due to a member looking for a private sector payday. And "at least" doesn't modify the rest of the article's description of the number of departures and the reasons therefor. Maybe its my journalism training and my decades of legal practice that makes me critical of inaccurate writing.

    BumRushDaShow

    (144,195 posts)
    27. All of the news sites lack good editors
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 03:20 PM
    Nov 26

    many having laid them off for "financial" reasons.

    I expect the "2 years" is to cover the entirety of the 118th Congress" (since there were some "late" special elections where a couple vacancies were finally filled over the summer and fall). And since we are post-election, portends what will be a more issues for the 119th Congress in terms of "razor thin" margins and people bailing early (and probably hints at what might finally lead to them raising their salaries, although per the 27th Amendment, that new amount wouldn't go into effect until the 120th Congress)!

    moose65

    (3,326 posts)
    25. Here's an idea......
    Tue Nov 26, 2024, 03:00 PM
    Nov 26

    With all of the government-owned buildings in DC, surely it would be possible to convert some of them into apartments or "dorms" for the Reps to live in, wouldn't it? I seem to recall reading an article along those lines in the past few years.

    House reps are supposed to work for their constituents, not their rich donors. What would be wrong with allowing them to rent a room or a studio apartment or whatever we want to call it, for their use while in DC? I have read several accounts of House members sleeping on couches in their offices.

    I think that AOC had a hard time finding a place when she was first elected. If a member comes in from a regular job and they haven't been paid yet, I could see them having trouble finding a place to live.

    That being said, they haven't had a raise in 15 years. $174,000 in 2009 would be $256,000 today, adjusting for inflation.

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