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BumRushDaShow

(144,197 posts)
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 04:46 AM Nov 28

Judge Upholds A Missouri Law Requiring Voters To Show Photo ID To Cast A Regular Ballot

Source: Huff Post/AP

Nov 27, 2024, 05:03 PM EST


COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP) — A law requiring Missouri voters to show government-issued photo identification to cast regular ballots will stand after a lower-court judge found it constitutional Tuesday. Cole County Circuit Judge Jon Beetem’s decision upholds the law, which was made possible by a 2016 voter-approved constitutional amendment allowing lawmakers to enact photo ID requirements. “To maintain a secure system for voting, it only stands to reason that a photo ID should be essential,” Missouri Republican Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft said in a statement praising the ruling.

Voter photo ID supporters such as Ashcroft say the practice prevents voter fraud and improves public confidence in election results. Voting rights advocates say getting the records needed to obtain proper photo identification can be challenging, especially for older voters and people with disabilities.

The National Conference of State Legislatures reports 36 states request or require identification to vote, of which at least 21 ask for a photo ID. Under Missouri’s law, people without government-issued photo identification can cast provisional ballots to be counted if they return later that day with a photo ID or if election officials verify their signatures. The law also requires the state to provide a free photo identification card to those lacking one to vote.

Missouri’s NAACP and League of Women Voters, along with two individual voters, sued to overturn the law in 2022. They argued that some voters faced substantial obstacles getting up-to-date and accurate government-issued photo IDs and worried that casting a provisional ballot could put them at higher risk of having their votes not counted.

Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/missouri-law-voter-id_n_674796e1e4b08e4755037a4b

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Judge Upholds A Missouri Law Requiring Voters To Show Photo ID To Cast A Regular Ballot (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 28 OP
The League and the NAACP are not wrong JustAnotherGen Nov 28 #1
Why doesn't the state just issue a photo ID with the registration card? Walleye Nov 28 #2
Yeah, I got a voting card after registration Farmer-Rick Nov 28 #3
I've had to show ID since my first vote 50yrs ago. I dont understand the problem. Callie1979 Nov 28 #4
"I dont understand the problem." BumRushDaShow Nov 28 #6
So every state doest give a free voter ID when you register ir you request it? Callie1979 Nov 28 #8
Here in PA BumRushDaShow Nov 28 #9
I've always Linda ladeewolf Nov 28 #5
Yeah, in Iowa we absolutely positively have to show your photo ID to vote. It's essential. No exceptions! rsdsharp Nov 28 #7

JustAnotherGen

(33,811 posts)
1. The League and the NAACP are not wrong
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 05:27 AM
Nov 28

But MO is going to do its MO thing. And that's the problem.

You can't vote your interests - if there is a barrier to voting for it.

Walleye

(36,393 posts)
2. Why doesn't the state just issue a photo ID with the registration card?
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 05:57 AM
Nov 28

If they really insist on this. I can’t imagine say, for example, an old woman who’s been voting at the same precinct for 50 years and the poll worker who knows her well asking her for her ID. This is not like buying cigarettes, this is your right to vote. It’s what makes the democracy work. Like our is not working now.

Farmer-Rick

(11,538 posts)
3. Yeah, I got a voting card after registration
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 09:46 AM
Nov 28

It was mailed to me when I registered to vote back in 2002. It had all the info that my driver's license had except for the photo.

I have never used the card. It doesn't meet the requirements for valid voter ID for my state. So why do they even bother to issue the card? It clearly states on it that you have to bring it with you to vote. But I've never used the stupid card. They could easily enough make that into a voter ID.

When I changed my driver's license from PA, I had to show my birth certificate, proof of residency and another photo ID. Isn't that enough info to identify me? Why do I need another driver's license with a star on it to prove who I am?

Redundant, useless paperwork is the mark of incompetencey and malign manipulation to prevent people from using a necessary bureaucratic system.

Callie1979

(273 posts)
4. I've had to show ID since my first vote 50yrs ago. I dont understand the problem.
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 09:55 AM
Nov 28

Unless some States dont issue State ID cards & if not what ID do they require?
When my mom quit driving she got a State ID. Looks just like a drivers license. She used that with no problem. If you go to a hospital, doctor, bank, etc you need an ID. Everyone HAS one. Again, in MY state. But if a state passes this law but doesnt provide an acceptable ID, then the court should toss it. Thats simply not fair at ALL

BumRushDaShow

(144,197 posts)
6. "I dont understand the problem."
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 11:23 AM
Nov 28

It's because of this pesky thing in the Constitution -

24th Amendment

Amendment XXIV

Section 1.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Section 2.

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxiv


If there is a "cost" involved to vote (e.g., having to PAY for an ID card or docs to get one like a birth certificate) then it is a "poll tax".

Callie1979

(273 posts)
8. So every state doest give a free voter ID when you register ir you request it?
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 03:27 PM
Nov 28

As I said before, if they DONT then make them do it or toss the law.
its not hard for a state to give you an ID. If they want the voter law, then give it for free. Simple. In GA you get a free voter ID card.

BumRushDaShow

(144,197 posts)
9. Here in PA
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 06:45 PM
Nov 28

There were all kinds of court cases for the original 2012 “Voter ID” law because of a cost needed and the GOP loons had to keep changing the law to comply before a stay on it was put in place.

https://pubintlaw.org/cases-and-projects/applewhite-v-commonwealth/

https://www.aclupa.org/en/press-releases/pennsylvanias-voter-id-law-found-unconstitutional

That law prompted this infamous remark from the-then GOP Speaker of the PA House Mike Turzqi -

Linda ladeewolf

(492 posts)
5. I've always
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 10:45 AM
Nov 28

Had to show my drivers license. I’ve lived here in the same place for 35 years. I waited until after I’d voted to get my new one so I’d have a valid ID.

rsdsharp

(10,287 posts)
7. Yeah, in Iowa we absolutely positively have to show your photo ID to vote. It's essential. No exceptions!
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 11:49 AM
Nov 28

Unless you have a voter ID card, which is a piece of paper, slightly smaller than a credit card, which has a 4 digit voter ID number on it — and no photo.

I didn’t apply for it; they just sent it to me, apparently because I no longer have a valid driver’s license. But then, I’m an old white guy; sort of like 50% of the rest of the state, which begs the question: “Why is photo ID so important?”

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