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BumRushDaShow

(144,197 posts)
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 03:12 PM Dec 7

FDA may finally ban artificial red dye from beverages, candy and other foods

Source: NBC News

Dec. 7, 2024, 7:00 AM EST


The Food and Drug Administration may finally move to ban artificial red food dye, the coloring found in beverages, snacks, cereals and candies.

At the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee meeting Thursday, Jim Jones, the FDA’s deputy commissioner for human foods, said it’s been over a decade since the safety of the synthetic color additive Red No. 40 has been re-evaluated. “With Red 3, we have a petition in front of us to revoke the authorization board, and we’re hopeful that in the next few weeks we’ll be acting on that petition,” he said.

House Energy and Commerce Committee ranking member Frank Pallone Jr., D-N.J., also urged the FDA to ban Red No. 3, which is made from petroleum and gives food and drinks a bright cherry color. “With the holiday season in full swing where sweet treats are abundant, it is frightening that this chemical remains hidden in these foods that we and our children are eating,” Pallone wrote in a letter to the agency. “While food companies must ensure that the food they market is safe, they are also only required to ensure that their products meet FDA’s standards. This means that thousands of products that contain this chemical can remain on the market.”

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for health secretary, has claimed food dyes cause cancer, but has not said what he would do if confirmed to the Cabinet post — if anything — about artificial food dyes in American food. “There are some departments such as the nutrition departments in the FDA that have to go, that are not doing their job, they are not protecting our kids,” Kennedy told NBC News in November. The FDA regulates more than three-quarters of the United States’ food supply.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/red-dye-no-3-fda-ban-food-artificial-color-rcna183095

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FDA may finally ban artificial red dye from beverages, candy and other foods (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 7 OP
It won't change anything for this year, the Christmas candy is already being sold now FakeNoose Dec 7 #1
The process would probably take much longer BumRushDaShow Dec 7 #3
The watchdogs will be banned making enforcement impossible bucolic_frolic Dec 7 #2
Trump won't stand for this. Red?? As in GOP??? LeftInTX Dec 7 #4
... BumRushDaShow Dec 7 #5
RFK Jr is big against red food dye WarGamer Dec 7 #9
I bet he likes cochineal though. markodochartaigh Dec 7 #11
Cochineal beetle BumRushDaShow Dec 8 #16
I learned about it when I was a child. markodochartaigh Dec 8 #19
I have done color analysis of the dye BumRushDaShow Dec 8 #20
I grow my own turmeric and annatto. markodochartaigh Dec 8 #21
I buy the turmeric roots at an international supermarket BumRushDaShow Dec 8 #22
Despite my opposition to Trump/RFK jr MuchBetterThanThis Dec 7 #6
You wouldn't want to know what is in some comestics BumRushDaShow Dec 7 #7
FDA has said it has been safe for years--what changed? cadoman Dec 7 #10
FDA admitted that they haven't done a test on red dye in a decade womanofthehills Dec 7 #14
What often happens BumRushDaShow Dec 8 #23
Looked at my cherry cough drops nitpicked Dec 7 #8
Harris said red was bad but blue and pink were okay but Trump will ban blue and pink and require Wonder Why Dec 7 #12
if you can stand the flavor, try Fisherman's Friend (nt) cadoman Dec 7 #13
Red 40 (dark red) BumRushDaShow Dec 8 #24
I was weaned on RedPop JoseBalow Dec 8 #15
An old Detroiter too???? Montauk6 Dec 8 #17
Ya, it's been a long time for me too JoseBalow Dec 8 #18
Aw yeah, Vernors is the JUICE! Montauk6 Dec 8 #25
I don't remember the Moonshine JoseBalow Dec 9 #27
You know I've NEVER had Towne Club... Montauk6 Dec 9 #29
My friend was once on the Bozo the Clown Show in Windsor JoseBalow Dec 9 #30
Remember when pistachios were dyed red? prodigitalson Dec 8 #26
I thought they still sold them, but seems they've been (mostly) phased out JoseBalow Dec 9 #28
thanks, that was interesting...explains why it suddenly stopped too prodigitalson Dec 9 #31

FakeNoose

(36,003 posts)
1. It won't change anything for this year, the Christmas candy is already being sold now
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 03:21 PM
Dec 7

Whatever ruling happens now will - hopefully - affect next year's candy, soft drinks, and other products.

BumRushDaShow

(144,197 posts)
3. The process would probably take much longer
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 03:36 PM
Dec 7

even if we were still going to be "in charge" next year and it probably wouldn't have even gone into effect next year either as time would be needed to do substitutions (including testing, etc. of those).

LeftInTX

(30,594 posts)
4. Trump won't stand for this. Red?? As in GOP???
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 03:41 PM
Dec 7

Trump: "Biden attempted to eliminate red, on the first day I will reverse this order"

BumRushDaShow

(144,197 posts)
16. Cochineal beetle
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 05:30 AM
Dec 8

The color comes from either use of the crushed insect and/or from extracting the color from the crushed insect. It is pretty common.



https://www.livescience.com/36292-red-food-dye-bugs-cochineal-carmine.html

Only thing is that it can be an allergen so needs to be listed on the label (often as "carminic acid" ).

markodochartaigh

(2,221 posts)
19. I learned about it when I was a child.
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 01:02 PM
Dec 8

But I think very few people today know that we commonly eat bug juice.

BumRushDaShow

(144,197 posts)
20. I have done color analysis of the dye
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 01:10 PM
Dec 8

There are other (non-insect) natural colorants out there like turmeric and annatto that people have used for thousands of years.

markodochartaigh

(2,221 posts)
21. I grow my own turmeric and annatto.
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 01:21 PM
Dec 8

Turmeric is hardy and easy to grow in horticultural zone 8 and South. I first had roasted turmeric from Malayali friends and it is so much better than store bought turmeric.

Annatto is a nice shrub with seed pods which open to reveal the beautiful crimson seeds. It is easy to grow here in South Florida and pretty drought tolerant too.

BumRushDaShow

(144,197 posts)
22. I buy the turmeric roots at an international supermarket
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 01:50 PM
Dec 8

and then freeze them. Am growing ginger in pots. I do buy the annatto seeds to use to make annatto (achiote) oil. Have 3 potted limes (including 2 Thai limes and a thorny Mexican key lime) in pots (in my basement overwintering at the moment).

6. Despite my opposition to Trump/RFK jr
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 04:09 PM
Dec 7

I do have a problem with Red dye #3 now that I know from this report that it’s derived from PETROLEUM🤮.
Another big oil endeavor that most don’t know about. But, petroleum??👎🏽

BumRushDaShow

(144,197 posts)
7. You wouldn't want to know what is in some comestics
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 04:19 PM
Dec 7

and topicals then - https://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/cosmetic-products/makeup



And ironically, Canada banned FD&C Red 3 years ago but still use FD&C Red 2, whereas the U.S. banned FD&C Red 2, but have used FD&C Red 3.

cadoman

(968 posts)
10. FDA has said it has been safe for years--what changed?
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 08:37 PM
Dec 7

Feels like they're just getting ahead of political pressure. You do know what RFK says about raw milk and vaccines, right?

womanofthehills

(9,326 posts)
14. FDA admitted that they haven't done a test on red dye in a decade
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:42 PM
Dec 7

They said to Congress that although it causes cancer in rats - they don’t know if it’s the same with people- Duh!

BumRushDaShow

(144,197 posts)
23. What often happens
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 01:53 PM
Dec 8

is that the analysis methods (and lab instrumentation - notably the detectors) are more sensitive and coupled with later research, particularly with larger samplings over a longer period of time, they can make better determinations as to whether something is "GRAS" (Generally Recognized As Safe) or needs to be re-evaluated.

Wonder Why

(4,718 posts)
12. Harris said red was bad but blue and pink were okay but Trump will ban blue and pink and require
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:16 PM
Dec 7

red dye be included in eggs, hamburgers, chicken and French fries.

BumRushDaShow

(144,197 posts)
24. Red 40 (dark red)
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 01:57 PM
Dec 8

+ Blue 2 (light neon blue) mixed = "purple" (depending on how much of each)

(Blue 1 is dark blue)

JoseBalow

(5,630 posts)
18. Ya, it's been a long time for me too
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 12:59 PM
Dec 8

I also loved the Rock & Rye as a kid, but I don't drink any soda anymore. The rare exception being a Vernors once in a blue moon, which I can't resist for the nostalgia.

Montauk6

(8,766 posts)
25. Aw yeah, Vernors is the JUICE!
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 09:57 PM
Dec 8

Kombucha's my "pop" these days.

Faygo Orange and Moonshine were my fave flaves... along with Better Made Bar-B-Q Potato Chips.

JoseBalow

(5,630 posts)
27. I don't remember the Moonshine
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 01:11 AM
Dec 9

But I do remember Towne Club pop, with all the many different flavors. And of course their returnable bottles (and wooden crates) at the Towne Club pop store, long before there was such thing as consumer recycling, per se.





Montauk6

(8,766 posts)
29. You know I've NEVER had Towne Club...
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 01:32 AM
Dec 9

and I WANTED TO! When I was a kid, those commercials with all those colors made my mouth water but I never got around to it.

Oh, Moonshine was Faygo's version of Mountain Dew (much better taste IIRC)

JoseBalow

(5,630 posts)
30. My friend was once on the Bozo the Clown Show in Windsor
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 02:21 AM
Dec 9

and they gave him the famous "free case of Orange Crush" for appearing.

The Towne Club was pretty good stuff, plus the novelty of all the many different flavors, and the bottles were cool too. But you had to go their store to get it, it wasn't at the grocery store, so not that convenient. But it was cheap, so...

JoseBalow

(5,630 posts)
28. I thought they still sold them, but seems they've been (mostly) phased out
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 01:25 AM
Dec 9
The disappearance of red-colored pistachios is a direct result of the exponential increase in homegrown pistachios and the limit on pistachio imports from the Middle East. When the U.S. was importing pistachios, the nut shells would often be splotchy in color, the Kitchn explains. The shells got stained from traditional harvesting methods in which the nuts weren't immediately hulled and washed. Since the appearance of these stains was unappetizing, pistachio producers in the Middle East took to dying the shells bright red to hide the stains, Richard Matoian, Executive Director of the American Pistachio Growers told HuffPost Taste. A few American producers followed suit because the market was used to seeing pistachios with a bright red hue, Matoian said. But all that's over now.

Red pistachios starting disappearing in the '80s, Matoian confirmed. With the limit on imports and the increase of American grown nuts with American harvesting systems, there became no need to dye the nuts. American pistachio producers use a harvesting system that dries and hulls the nuts before they are able to get stained, which eliminates the need for covering up blemishes altogether. Even today in Iran, Matoian explained, pistachio producers have picked up the new harvesting technique that eliminates stains and the subsequent need for dye.

You can still find red pistachios in some places, Matoian told HuffPost Taste, but they're just a rare novelty product and a seasonal one at Christmastime, not the dominant trend they once were.

The upshot of red pistachios being all but obsolete today, thanks to California-produced pistachios, is that you no longer have to worry about dyed hands -- an unfortunate result of the red dye. Pistachios are just a little more boring now.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-are-red-pistachios_n_6570944


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