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BumRushDaShow

(144,203 posts)
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 12:30 PM Dec 11

Hospitals gave patients meds during childbirth, then reported them for illicit drug use

Source: USA Today

Published 6:04 a.m. ET Dec. 11, 2024 | Updated 6:04 a.m. ET Dec. 11, 2024


Amairani Salinas was 32 weeks pregnant with her fourth child in 2023 when doctors at a Texas hospital discovered that her baby no longer had a heartbeat. As they prepped her for an emergency cesarean section, they gave her midazolam, a benzodiazepine commonly prescribed to keep patients calm. A day later, the grieving mother was cradling her stillborn daughter when a social worker stopped by her room to deliver another devastating blow: Salinas was being reported to child welfare authorities. A drug test had turned up traces of benzodiazepine — the very medication that staff had administered before wheeling her into surgery.

For Victoria Villanueva, pregnant with her first child, the drug detected in her baby’s system was morphine. Villanueva had arrived at an Indiana hospital at 41 weeks to have her labor induced. To ease the pain of her contractions, doctors gave her narcotics. A day later, a social worker told the new mother: The baby’s meconium — or first bowel movement — had tested positive for opiates. Now, instead of bonding with her baby, Villanueva shook with fear that her newborn could be taken away. “I didn’t even know how to function,” she recalled.

What happened to Salinas and Villanueva are far from isolated incidents. Across the country, hospitals are dispensing medications to patients in labor, only to report them to child welfare authorities when they or their newborns test positive for those very same substances on subsequent drug tests, an investigation by The Marshall Project and Reveal has found.

The positive tests are triggered by medications routinely prescribed to millions of birthing patients in the U.S. every year. The drugs include morphine or fentanyl for epidurals or other pain relief, anxiety medications, and two different blood pressure meds prescribed for C-sections. In a time of increasing surveillance and criminalization of pregnant women since the end of Roe v. Wade, the hospital reports have prompted calls to the police, child welfare investigations and even the removal of children from their parents.

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/12/11/pregnant-hospital-drug-test-medicine/76804299007/

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Hospitals gave patients meds during childbirth, then reported them for illicit drug use (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 11 OP
That is insane. brer cat Dec 11 #1
So many pregnant women live in FEAR in the #USA!! --so so many. riversedge Dec 11 #4
So many women live in FEAR in the #USA!! --so so many. NotHardly Dec 11 #10
Far too many 🤬 benfranklin1776 Dec 11 #11
I wonder if there are any ethnic or economic groups that wnylib Dec 11 #40
You just said the quiet part out loud. GoneOffShore Dec 12 #41
Looks to me like a class action case for the ACLU. wnylib Dec 13 #44
No, it's not insane. It is what happens when religious zealots take over government. flashman13 Dec 11 #9
That sounds like a distinction without a difference. skypilot Dec 11 #31
none stopping this sh*t? NotHardly Dec 11 #39
Step 2 Marthe48 Dec 11 #2
Open season on women. Irish_Dem Dec 11 #3
Yep Solly Mack Dec 11 #18
See,.. see,.. women are the ones to blame because their pregnancies do not go right. magicarpet Dec 11 #5
So, who is to blame? Stupid doctors and hospitals, or Federal laws that require them to report positive drug tests? Silent Type Dec 11 #6
And a lot of CYA - Cover Your Ass. Hospital gets into even the faintest hint of trouble over failure to report... Lancero Dec 11 #8
Exactly. Can see headlines now, "Local hospital fails to comply with federal laws on children." Silent Type Dec 11 #34
Stupid state legislatures that put doctors in fear of any spy on staff reporting them Hekate Dec 11 #33
Doctors are to blame Cirsium Dec 11 #37
AAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!! Tactical Peek Dec 11 #7
I am now glad I only have grandsons. This is a nightmare. Hekate Dec 11 #12
Heard a story very similar to this on an NPR Saturday morning show rurallib Dec 11 #13
It's a racket. 2naSalit Dec 11 #14
Nazi-esque sting operation bucolic_frolic Dec 11 #15
So... RobinA Dec 11 #16
FFS. barbtries Dec 11 #17
It's not that hard to check the test results against what was prescribed IronLionZion Dec 11 #19
Notice the surnames of the two women geardaddy Dec 11 #20
I was just about to point that out. canuckledragger Dec 11 #22
It struck me right away. geardaddy Dec 11 #26
just wait until AI takes over KT2000 Dec 11 #21
... Faux pas Dec 11 #23
Are the medications given to the mother included with the hospital records? LiberalFighter Dec 11 #24
Oh yeah. If a health care provider does not put the medication in the patient chart, it can't be billed for irisblue Dec 11 #25
This sounds more like a communications problem GenThePerservering Dec 11 #27
In some of the overcrowded urban hospitals/medical facilities BumRushDaShow Dec 11 #29
Sue 'em. rubbersole Dec 11 #28
That's absurd wendyb-NC Dec 11 #30
Sounds like a good plan to a baby trafficker like Bets Devos Clouds Passing Dec 11 #32
Those are both controlled substances Ruby the Liberal Dec 11 #35
Easy to solve timms139 Dec 11 #36
OMG Our hospital tested the mother during the admission. LeftInTX Dec 11 #38
JFC!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE? LymphocyteLover Dec 12 #42
this is so stupid 4catsmom Dec 12 #43

benfranklin1776

(6,598 posts)
11. Far too many 🤬
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 01:30 PM
Dec 11

Jesus God what the hell ever happened to basic sanity and decency
These hospitals create the situation and then choose to knowingly expose the patient to criminal liability because of their own actions. They themselves then ought to be liable for the intentional infliction of emotional distress they caused.

wnylib

(24,767 posts)
40. I wonder if there are any ethnic or economic groups that
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 09:56 PM
Dec 11

are experiencing this more than others.

It looks like hospital staff WANT to separate some children from their families. Is there a profitable adoption or other market for these babies and their siblings?

NotHardly

(1,365 posts)
39. none stopping this sh*t?
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 09:43 PM
Dec 11

... my word. I cannot that I have ever so depressed about the future of this country than I am at this point.

Marthe48

(19,323 posts)
2. Step 2
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 12:35 PM
Dec 11

Deny pain relievers or anti-anxiety medicines to women in labor. Make them suffer.

I hate rwnj

magicarpet

(16,955 posts)
5. See,.. see,.. women are the ones to blame because their pregnancies do not go right.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 12:47 PM
Dec 11

It is all the women's fault.

Silent Type

(7,325 posts)
6. So, who is to blame? Stupid doctors and hospitals, or Federal laws that require them to report positive drug tests?
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 12:58 PM
Dec 11

From linked Article:

"Hospital drug testing of pregnant women, which began in the 1980s and spread rapidly during the opioid epidemic, was intended in part to help identify babies who might experience withdrawal symptoms and need extra medical care. Federal law requires hospitals to alert child welfare agencies anytime such babies are born. But a previous investigation by The Marshall Project and Reveal found that the relatively inexpensive, pee-in-a-cup tests favored by many hospitals are highly susceptible to false positives, errors and misinterpretation — and many hospitals have failed to put in place safeguards that would protect patients from being reported over faulty test results."

Lancero

(3,109 posts)
8. And a lot of CYA - Cover Your Ass. Hospital gets into even the faintest hint of trouble over failure to report...
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 01:08 PM
Dec 11

They'll start following things to the letter. No more using best judgement and refusing to report on drug tests that detected something that was prescribed, gotta kick it over to CPS just to be safe.

Silent Type

(7,325 posts)
34. Exactly. Can see headlines now, "Local hospital fails to comply with federal laws on children."
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:20 PM
Dec 11

Cirsium

(1,154 posts)
37. Doctors are to blame
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 09:16 PM
Dec 11

A doctor's commitment is to the patient's well being. That is what they are paid for. Doctors need to fight, not comply.

rurallib

(63,292 posts)
13. Heard a story very similar to this on an NPR Saturday morning show
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 01:37 PM
Dec 11

a few weeks ago, I believe the show was Reveal.

What the 'system' did to this poor young lady was to say the least criminal.

I think this is the show. https://revealnews.org/podcast/she-ate-a-poppy-seed-salad-child-services-took-her-baby/

RobinA

(10,197 posts)
16. So...
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 01:55 PM
Dec 11

This starts out talking about women testing positive for the drugs that they were actually given in the hospital. It then jumps to false positives. Two completely different issues told as if it were one issue. Kinda hard to solve a problem if you can't even figure out what the problem is.

barbtries

(29,950 posts)
17. FFS.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 01:59 PM
Dec 11

hatred toward women in this country appears to be as ubiquitous as racism. I hate this.

how can the people doing the reporting not know that the positive tests were the result of meds given in a medical setting?!

IronLionZion

(47,119 posts)
19. It's not that hard to check the test results against what was prescribed
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 02:08 PM
Dec 11

absolutely stupid to just go straight to assuming illegal drug abuse, when it's legal hospital prescribed use under doctor supervision. Time for process improvements and/or update the laws.

irisblue

(34,412 posts)
25. Oh yeah. If a health care provider does not put the medication in the patient chart, it can't be billed for
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 03:08 PM
Dec 11

GenThePerservering

(2,675 posts)
27. This sounds more like a communications problem
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 04:26 PM
Dec 11

and improper charting rather than a direct attack on women. There is no reason for hospitals to be this sloppy with their charting - oftentimes mistakes are made with lethal results. Unfortunately, this will only increase with greater automation.

(I was an editor and scribe in medical and tech reporting for years, then in quality assurance).

BumRushDaShow

(144,203 posts)
29. In some of the overcrowded urban hospitals/medical facilities
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 04:44 PM
Dec 11

good luck with that.

I.e., these are the hospitals that routinely deal with gunshot victims and unsheltered in ERs who not only have physical medical issues but mental ones as well due to untreated psychiatric problems and/or addiction (and who unfortunately often end up wheeled out to the pavement and dumped - and that makes the "news" ).

Because of that constant exposure to actual addicts, they become numb and "assume" that many of their patients are or could also be "addicts".

Ruby the Liberal

(26,330 posts)
35. Those are both controlled substances
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:49 PM
Dec 11

This isn't like finding a few aspirin missing on an inventory - these have to be accounted for. And Lord knows they are going to bill them at a 2000% markup

Which means they are documented in the chart and time stamped with approvals and dose administration.

How is this even a thing?

timms139

(185 posts)
36. Easy to solve
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:26 PM
Dec 11

demand a drug screen before letting them give any medications then compare the two .

4catsmom

(291 posts)
43. this is so stupid
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 11:54 AM
Dec 12

not surprised it's Texas. If you can't have them arrested for a problem birth, pump them with drugs and have them arrested. Women should leave Texas.

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