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mahatmakanejeeves

(63,902 posts)
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:47 AM Thursday

Lawyer for Turkish student at Tufts University detained by feds calls for government to produce her

Source: Associated Press

U.S. News
Lawyer for Turkish student at Tufts University detained by feds calls for government to produce her

By MICHAEL CASEY, JAKE OFFENHARTZ and KATHY McCORMACK
Updated 9:30 AM EDT, March 27, 2025

BOSTON (AP) — A lawyer for a Turkish national and doctoral student at Tufts University who was detained by U.S. Department of Homeland Security agents filed an emergency motion Thursday requesting that the government produce her. ... The request was made a day after Rumeysa Ozturk, 30, was stopped by masked federal agents after she left her home in Somerville, Massachusetts. A federal judge presiding over her case ordered lawyers representing the government to respond to the motion Thursday morning.

Video obtained by The Associated Press appears to show six people, their faces covered, taking away Ozturk’s phone as she yells and is handcuffed on Wednesday. ... “We’re the police,” members of the group are heard saying in the video. ... A bystander is heard asking, “Why are you hiding your faces?”

U.S. District Judge Indira Talwani initially issued an order giving the government until Friday to answer why Ozturk was being detained. Talwani also ordered that Ozturk not be moved outside the District of Massachusetts without 48 hours advance notice.

The U.S. Immigration and Custom Enforcement said Thursday that Ozturk was being held at a detention center in Basile, Louisiana, and has spoken to her lawyer. A senior Department of Homeland Security spokesperson also confirmed Ozturk’s detention and the termination of her visa.

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Read more: https://apnews.com/article/tufts-student-detained-massachusetts-immigration-08d7f08e1daa899986b7131a1edab6d8



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Consider this. 6 people in plainclothes approach you, and begin to cover their faces. At least one appears armed. As they grab your phone and backpack, they do not prove who they are. They say they're going to take you, but they're not saying why.

What would you call that?

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NEW—After a day of uncertainty on where agents took Tufts student Rumeysa Ozturk, she appears to be in a Louisiana facility.

1400+ miles from Somerville, Massachusetts, where she was taken.

A judge ordered to not take her out of state without 48 hour notice. She was detained last night.

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“I can buy that badge from a fucking costume store,” says a witness to the “kidnapping” of Rumeysa Ozturk as she was on her way to break her Ramadan fast.
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Cinjanik

(55 posts)
1. Turkish student lawyer kidnapped
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:54 AM
Thursday

This is kidnapping and it is terrifying! This person has been kidnapped and held hostage for lawfully doing her job!
This happened in tsf's first term but now, this type of criminality is on steroids!

ancianita

(40,184 posts)
7. Your header is misleading. The student was kidnapped, not her lawyer.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 12:36 PM
Thursday

The lawyer did her job by filing and getting a court order to keep the student in MA; the lawyer couldn't have done that job if she herself had been kidnapped.

Which is understandable since the original AP title is also misleading:

Lawyer for Turkish student at Tufts University detained by feds calls for government to produce her
.

The AP has since changed its news title to
Turkish student at Tufts University is latest Palestinian supporter swept up in US crackdown

ButchMcMuffin

(48 posts)
3. This is the first thing that came to my mind
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:27 AM
Thursday

I thought Dictators looked out for each other. I guess Dumpy is trying to show his mushroom is bigger than Erdogan

Shipwack

(2,557 posts)
6. Serious question... Are you allowed to defend yourself or another?
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 12:09 PM
Thursday

You (or someone nearby) is are approached by a few people with covered faces and don't show ID, but claim to be law enforcement.

Since you have no way of knowing they are being truthful, you are in fear of your (or another's) life and safety.

Can you defend yourself, either physically or chemically? Of course, I'm not advocating violence against law enforcement, or the taking of a life...

I am pretty sure the answer is "no", and the targeted person will have additional charges added, and you will also be kidnapped taken into custody and charged with assault, etc.

W would love for someone to tell me I'm wrong.

Of course, having a lawyer claiming it was "self defense" will be of cold comfort while you're stuck in a prison in El Salvador...

Miguelito Loveless

(4,874 posts)
8. Legally, you could resist it as unlawful, since they failed to show you a warrant or properly identify themselves
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 02:38 PM
Thursday

However, practically, they will claim they did identify themselves, you resisted,. then they will beat/murder you without consequence.

AntiFascist

(13,169 posts)
9. This is exactly why there needs to be a 2nd Amendment solution by the State...
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 02:56 PM
Thursday

some of these masked, "undercover" people need to be arrested, handcuffed and detained until they can show legal cause for their actions. We need to stand up to this Federal show of fascism before it gets more out of control.

maxsolomon

(36,145 posts)
10. "2nd Amendment solution by the State"?
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 05:39 PM
Thursday

2nd Amendment is firearms, so what are you suggesting?

AntiFascist

(13,169 posts)
11. 2nd Amendment is all about defense, not just the use of firearms...
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 02:04 AM
Friday

The first two phrases of the 2nd Amendment spell it out: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..." At the time the 2nd Amendment was drafted, there was concern that a Federal government with too much power might return the nation to control under a monarchy. As James Madison points out in Federalist No. 46:

Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops.

Of course these concerns have faded over time and the US military now has enormous power, but still we should remember why the 2nd Amendment was drafted in this way and how States are granted this power under the Constitution to defend against a Federal government that has overreached its powers.

maxsolomon

(36,145 posts)
12. Oh, OK. A Civil War,
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 11:31 AM
Friday

with state militias battling federal troops, and probably other state militias. Got it.

Yes, that sounds like a very reasonable, desirable solution.

AntiFascist

(13,169 posts)
13. Who said anything about civil war??
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 04:13 PM
Friday

You don't give a police force weapons to start a war or create violence (usually).

maxsolomon

(36,145 posts)
14. "...there needs to be a 2nd Amendment solution by the State"
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 04:24 PM
Friday

OK, then you're saying that state police should confront and arrest federal agents, but chose a cryptic way of phrasing that.

I've been around American Gun Culture too long to see "second amendment solution" and not think someone's talking about shooting.

AntiFascist

(13,169 posts)
15. Sorry, but that's not what I meant. The first idea expressed in the 2nd Amendment is simply to maintain a free State...
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 05:20 PM
Friday

If the Federal government comes into your State and starts arresting legal residents and hauling them out of the state to detain them, unconstitutionally, then you begin to no longer have a free State, and the Federal Government begins to act like an autocratic dictatorship.

American Gun Culture would like to have you believe that the 2nd Amendment is all about an individual's right to carry a gun and, whenever the situation warrants it, to take the law into their own hands. The idea of a "well regulated militia" is to conform to a state's regulations under the 2nd Amendment. Whether you like it or not, some States already have such militias.

GopherGal

(2,429 posts)
16. What would I call it?
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 07:21 PM
Friday

"Nacht und Nebel"

It won't surprise you to know the originating language or that it's a little over 80 years old...

https://w.wiki/DciG]

Nacht und Nebel (German: [ˈnaxt ʔʊnt ˈneːbl̩]), meaning Night and Fog, also known as the Night and Fog Decree, was a directive issued by Adolf Hitler on 7 December, 1941 targeting political activists and resistance "helpers" in the territories occupied by Nazi Germany during World War II, who were to be imprisoned, executed, or made to disappear, while the family and the population remained uncertain as to the fate or whereabouts of the alleged offender against the Nazi occupation power.
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