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mahatmakanejeeves

(60,969 posts)
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 01:50 AM Jun 2024

Monet Painting at the Musee d'Orsay Vandalized by Climate Activist

Last edited Tue Jun 4, 2024, 05:52 AM - Edit history (1)

Monet Painting at the Musée d’Orsay Vandalized by Climate Activist

BY FRANCESCA ATON
June 1, 2024 6:10pm


PHOTO DEAGOSTINI/GETTY IMAGES

A climate activist affixed an adhesive poster to a Monet painting at the Musée d’Orsay Saturday. The woman, who said she intended to raise awareness for climate change, was arrested.

The stunt was carried out by a member of Riposte Alimentaire (Food Response), a group of environmental activists and defenders of sustainable food production in response to the climate crisis. The group has been targeting museums across Europe for years, including most recently a protest at the Louvre last month.




A video on X showed the activist sticking an adhesive barren red landscape on top of Claude Monet’s 1873 painting Coquelicots, saying, according to the Guardian, “this nightmarish image awaits us if no alternative is put in place”.

The French Impressionist’s work depicts people with umbrellas roaming through a blooming poppy field. Unlike works like Leonardo’s Mona Lisa, which has been the subject of much backlash, it was not protected by glass.

{snip}

Edited to add: see the update from "Artforum."

Tue Jun 4, 2024: June 3, 2024, update from Artforum: Climate Activist Defaces Monet at Musee D'Orsay
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Monet Painting at the Musee d'Orsay Vandalized by Climate Activist (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2024 OP
We had a print of that in our kitchen growing up. applegrove Jun 2024 #1
Artists works being vandalized is PlutosHeart Jun 2024 #4
Yeah, I keep waiting for them to get smarter. Paladin Jun 2024 #24
Do they ever get real jail sentences? jimfields33 Jun 2024 #76
Nothing else seems to be working to curtail global warming Ponietz Jun 2024 #78
That's a separate issue. jimfields33 Jun 2024 #79
What different method do you suggest? Ponietz Jun 2024 #81
None did anything to help deal with climate change JI7 Jun 2024 #89
F the Art Vandals roscoeroscoe Sep 19 #95
Certainly an assertion. Torchlight Jun 2024 #82
Do you think destroying the common heritage of humanity will "get thru to those in power" ? Hekate Sep 19 #94
+1 betsuni Sep 19 #106
stunt is right....dumbass..... bahboo Jun 2024 #2
Omg Demovictory9 Jun 2024 #3
What an absolute piece of shit excuse for a human Major Nikon Jun 2024 #5
Protect the environment, by destroying our humanity? JoseBalow Jun 2024 #6
No word on if the painting was damaged happybird Jun 2024 #7
The original Guardian article says the painting was protected by glass. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #11
the peta plan. stupid. mopinko Jun 2024 #8
The original Guardian article says the painting was protected by glass. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #12
le sigh. which is y rawstory of xitter links to articles shd b banned. mopinko Jun 2024 #20
Such an action is not a protest. It is willful vandalism and needs to be punished. Lonestarblue Jun 2024 #9
No attempt to destroy a work of art was made. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #13
Th Monet artwork in the Musee d'Orsay was not covered by glass and the protester damaged it by gluing a poster to it. Lonestarblue Jun 2024 #14
From the Guardian... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #15
I did not read the Guardian article because I had already read about the attack. Lonestarblue Jun 2024 #17
Yes, I posted in this thread about... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #18
There seems to be some discrepency in the reporting... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #10
From France 24, citing AFP: mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2024 #16
And from the Guardian... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #19
i'd b surprised if d'orsay had all the work behind glass. mopinko Jun 2024 #22
EVERY PAINTING AT THE D'ORSAY SHOULD BE BEHIND GLASS! Paladin Jun 2024 #21
it wd destroy the purpose. mopinko Jun 2024 #23
Those fucking vandals won't be happy... Paladin Jun 2024 #28
i wont. neither will any good painter. mopinko Jun 2024 #32
ps- no painter wd dare touch the work. mopinko Jun 2024 #33
The Guardian says this one was behind glass. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #37
Lock her up for life! This is a travesty! lark Jun 2024 #25
i saw them both in the art institute when i went to school there. mopinko Jun 2024 #34
The punishment should fit the crime bucolic_frolic Jun 2024 #26
As long as the "perp" is safe behind glass... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #38
Ok we will put a sticker on the sleeve of her shirt. Voltaire2 Jun 2024 #62
Independent activists, maybe? LeonidPlanck Jun 2024 #27
Proto-influencers, good point. betsuni Jun 2024 #85
What an JustAnotherGen Jun 2024 #29
Who is funding these violent protestors? Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #30
yup. smells a bit like the tea party to me. mopinko Jun 2024 #35
and phones. mopinko Jun 2024 #36
Yes they are all getting the same marching orders from somewhere. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #65
clearly. mopinko Jun 2024 #67
It is probably laundered before it hits US shores. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #69
Look for ruble and yuan deposits. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #64
yup. mopinko Jun 2024 #66
I don't remember the Turkish whistle blower. I will have to look it up. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #68
i bet someone remembers. we talked about it a lot. mopinko Jun 2024 #70
sybil edmonds. search only turned up 1 thread. mopinko Jun 2024 #71
Oh yes I remember her. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #72
Zero violence happened. Voltaire2 Jun 2024 #63
Vandalism by its nature is an act of violence. If someone came into your home... Hekate Sep 19 #96
It was a space open to the public. Voltaire2 Sep 19 #100
Are we then to expect that places open to the public can be trashed at will? Why? Hekate Sep 19 #103
Your analogy was false. Voltaire2 Sep 20 #107
Senseless liberal N proud Jun 2024 #31
and harmless... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #39
And pointless, either way. thucythucy Jun 2024 #40
The only goal was to get the media talking about it, which they are. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #41
Mostly they're talking about how fucked up some "climate activists" are. thucythucy Jun 2024 #42
I read the Monet is already back on view and not damaged... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #43
I wouldn't call an attack on our cultural heritage, thucythucy Jun 2024 #44
That's very insightful... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #45
Whatever. thucythucy Jun 2024 #46
As long as no damage is done, just like in this action. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #48
Damage is done. thucythucy Jun 2024 #49
After all these actions... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #50
After all these actions thucythucy Jun 2024 #52
You should let the activist group know about your concerns. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #54
I expect that others have already done so thucythucy Jun 2024 #74
I'm just an internet rando voicing my opinions. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #75
When art, museums, hospitals, universities, small businesses, ordinary people become The Establishment. betsuni Jun 2024 #87
After civilizational collapse there will likely Voltaire2 Jun 2024 #51
Perhaps if there was some evidence that tactics like this work thucythucy Jun 2024 #53
Suffragettes in England took axes and meat cleavers to art at the National gallery in 1914 Ponietz Jun 2024 #56
The link doesn't work for me, thucythucy Jun 2024 #73
Thanks for the reply Ponietz Jun 2024 #77
Thank you for this link. thucythucy Jun 2024 #84
At least we are talking about it. Voltaire2 Jun 2024 #61
Actually, we seem mostly to be talking about the stupidity of these tactics. thucythucy Jun 2024 #90
Exactly. betsuni Jun 2024 #86
We are past the stage of talking. It's time to prepare for what's coming. Kaleva Sep 20 #109
I believe you may be right about that. Think. Again. Sep 20 #110
I hope that I'm wrong but I'm preparing in case I'm right Kaleva Sep 20 #111
You are very sure of that. If it was "harmless," why do it? Why not have a puppy play-date in some prominent place? Hekate Sep 19 #97
In other news 33 poll workers in India died yesterday from the heat. Voltaire2 Jun 2024 #47
Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #55
You can make another picture but you can't make another earth Ponietz Jun 2024 #57
No, the Vandals are Stupid.. there are Smart Peaceful Ways Cha Jun 2024 #58
Every day we dawdle hastens an authoritarian regime Ponietz Jun 2024 #59
Well I Hope they VOTE. Cha Jun 2024 #60
Some art is irreplaceable. You can make all the Hallmark cards you want, but Monet was unique. Hekate Sep 19 #98
The Water Lilies panels in the Musee de l'Orangerie need to be protected. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2024 #80
Another idiot Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2024 #83
June 3, 2024, update from Artforum: Climate Activist Defaces Monet at Musee D'Orsay mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2024 #88
Monet Painting at the Musee d'Orsay Vandalized by Climate Activist anilcnair Sep 17 #91
You found me again, huh? mahatmakanejeeves Sep 17 #92
They need to be introduced to MIRT, it seems Hekate Sep 19 #99
This seems to be one of the WORST ways to promote your cause. CTyankee Sep 18 #93
Well, no art was damaged and this is STILL a topic of discussion, at least here... Think. Again. Sep 19 #101
What are you inspired to do that will involve throwing your body into the gears of The Machine & make it stop? Hekate Sep 19 #104
Don't be silly... Think. Again. Sep 19 #105
Really? CTyankee Sep 20 #108
That's going gain their group a whole lot of support Charlie Chapulin Sep 19 #102

applegrove

(123,139 posts)
1. We had a print of that in our kitchen growing up.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 01:53 AM
Jun 2024

Violence or vandalism is never the answer but something has to get through to those in power and the oil corporations.

PlutosHeart

(1,445 posts)
4. Artists works being vandalized is
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 02:23 AM
Jun 2024

a poor choice. Museums are also a bad choice.
Imagine they could think of something else as targets that would not make them look stupid.

jimfields33

(18,900 posts)
76. Do they ever get real jail sentences?
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:27 AM
Jun 2024

I honestly believe that’s the only way to stop this. I mean it could maybe cause one to think, “this may not be a good idea unless I want to spend years in jail.” I honestly think that’s our only hope for this to stop. Nothing else seems to be working.

jimfields33

(18,900 posts)
79. That's a separate issue.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 10:27 AM
Jun 2024

We’re talking about various criminals attempting to destroy historical art pieces. Even if they don’t destroy them, it takes money to clean up the mess. They should at least do some significant jail time. A year may teach them that they need a different method to get the point made. This is completely taking away from the climate change message thry fight for.

Ponietz

(3,307 posts)
81. What different method do you suggest?
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 10:55 AM
Jun 2024

Bruce Wynn self-immolated on the Supreme Court steps on Earth day 2022, and very few gave a fuck.
The art vandals got your attention, at least.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/04/26/wynn-bruce-fire-supreme-court-climate-activist/]

Hekate

(94,683 posts)
94. Do you think destroying the common heritage of humanity will "get thru to those in power" ?
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 11:43 AM
Sep 19

When the Taliban shot to pieces irreplaceable cliff- carvings of the Buddha in Afghanistan, did that make you want to be a Muslim? When ISIS did the same to archeological treasures in “the Cradle of Civilization” were you inspired to become Muslim?

Or did you think the perpetrators were the lowest form of ignorant barbarian? After all, they were sincere in their beliefs and had a terrible sense of urgency, too.

happybird

(5,120 posts)
7. No word on if the painting was damaged
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 05:08 AM
Jun 2024

I looked around for info and the best I found was one article which said the museum has not made a statement about the condition of the painting.
This worries me.

mopinko

(71,817 posts)
8. the peta plan. stupid.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 05:52 AM
Jun 2024

i always thought peta was performance designed to make veganism look stupid. i think their money comes from meat interests.
someone follow the money.

ps- depending on the adhesive, the painting can likely b repaired. but here’s the thing about monet-
he was extremely stingy w the paint. u can see the weave of the canvas in his works.
if this was a caravagio, it wd b a lot easier.

mopinko

(71,817 posts)
20. le sigh. which is y rawstory of xitter links to articles shd b banned.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 08:19 AM
Jun 2024

click through to og ppl. pleeeese.
and if u didnt click through to read it….

Lonestarblue

(11,834 posts)
9. Such an action is not a protest. It is willful vandalism and needs to be punished.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 06:27 AM
Jun 2024

Yes, the oil companies are wrong in fighting against green energy. Trying to destroy works of art is not the way to fight them.

Lonestarblue

(11,834 posts)
14. Th Monet artwork in the Musee d'Orsay was not covered by glass and the protester damaged it by gluing a poster to it.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 07:28 AM
Jun 2024

The Mona Lisa, in the Louvre, is covered by glass.

Think. Again.

(17,996 posts)
15. From the Guardian...
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 07:31 AM
Jun 2024
"Monet’s painting, completed in 1873, shows people with umbrellas strolling in a blooming poppy field.

It was protected by glass, but the Musée d’Orsay did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the condition of the painting after the attack."


https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/01/climate-activist-defaces-monet-painting-in-paris

Lonestarblue

(11,834 posts)
17. I did not read the Guardian article because I had already read about the attack.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 07:41 AM
Jun 2024

ARTnews has a different story and shows a video of the woman sticking the poster to the painting.

https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/monet-vandalized-by-climate-activist-musee-dorsay-1234708643/

Think. Again.

(17,996 posts)
18. Yes, I posted in this thread about...
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 07:54 AM
Jun 2024

...the descrepency in the two articles.

It should be easy enough to determine whether there is glass protecting this painting or not, except that both sides of this story reeeeaaaallly want us to believe the art was at risk to strengthen their respective positions, even if there was never any risk at all.

Think. Again.

(17,996 posts)
10. There seems to be some discrepency in the reporting...
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 06:46 AM
Jun 2024

The excerpt in the OP above, which is from ARTNews https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/monet-vandalized-by-climate-activist-musee-dorsay-1234708643/ claims the Monet was not protected by glass, while the article in the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/01/climate-activist-defaces-monet-painting-in-paris which is credited as the original source for the ARTNews piece says this:

"Monet’s painting, completed in 1873, shows people with umbrellas strolling in a blooming poppy field.

It was protected by glass, but the Musée d’Orsay did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the condition of the painting after the attack."


Since the vast majority of these activists only do actions that don't actually harm any art or anything else, but are intended merely to gain media coverage of their concerns, I'm assuming the reason this museum hasn't commented on any damage to painting is because there's no damage to comment on.

mahatmakanejeeves

(60,969 posts)
16. From France 24, citing AFP:
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 07:36 AM
Jun 2024
Activist arrested for attacking Monet painting in Paris

Paris (AFP) – A climate activist was arrested on Saturday for sticking an adhesive poster on a Monet painting at the Musee d'Orsay in Paris to draw attention to global warming, a police source told AFP.

Issued on: 01/06/2024 - 13:03
Modified: 01/06/2024 - 13:02

{snip}

It was not protected by glass. The Musee d'Orsay did not immediately respond to an AFP request for comment on the condition of the painting after the attack.

{snip}

Climate activist arrested for attacking Monet painting at Paris's Orsay museum

A climate activist was arrested on Saturday for sticking an adhesive poster on a Monet painting at the Musee d'Orsay in Paris to draw attention to global warming, a police source told AFP.

Issued on: 01/06/2024 - 16:27
Modified: 01/06/2024 - 19:39

By: NEWS WIRES

{snip}

A restoration expert examined the painting which suffered no permanent damage, the Musee d'Orsay told AFP, adding that it had been put back on the wall.

"The exhibition is entirely accessible to the public again," a spokesperson said.

The museum would file a criminal complaint, the spokesperson added.

{snip}

Think. Again.

(17,996 posts)
19. And from the Guardian...
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 07:56 AM
Jun 2024
"Monet’s painting, completed in 1873, shows people with umbrellas strolling in a blooming poppy field.

It was protected by glass, but the Musée d’Orsay did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the condition of the painting after the attack."


https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/01/climate-activist-defaces-monet-painting-in-paris

mopinko

(71,817 posts)
22. i'd b surprised if d'orsay had all the work behind glass.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 08:39 AM
Jun 2024

some of his work is huge. the art institute had this 2 multi-panel water lily for their big impressionist show in the early 80’s. 4’ x 6’
u can buy a half-size giclee on amazon. 2 versions, before and after he had cataracts.




if it was a pre-glued poster, it’s probably like a post it note.
but monet’s painting r particularly as risk as his use of paint was soooo spare.

Paladin

(28,769 posts)
21. EVERY PAINTING AT THE D'ORSAY SHOULD BE BEHIND GLASS!
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 08:34 AM
Jun 2024

It's not as if these vandalistic fuckheads are going away. Mandatory life sentences for every last one of them!

mopinko

(71,817 posts)
23. it wd destroy the purpose.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 08:44 AM
Jun 2024

having seen his work up close, i can tell u, as a painter, u wd not b able to appreciate his spare bushstrokes w ANYTHING btn u and the canvas but an itchy museum guard.

and if the purpose of the d’orsay isnt to allow other artist’s to study his work, then it has no purpose.

they just need to upgrade their security, which they r no doubt doing right this minute.

Paladin

(28,769 posts)
28. Those fucking vandals won't be happy...
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 09:32 AM
Jun 2024

...until they reduce Monet's masterpieces to puddles on the floor. I'll give up my up-close appreciation of his spare brushstrokes for the time being, to prevent something like that from happening...

mopinko

(71,817 posts)
32. i wont. neither will any good painter.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 10:22 AM
Jun 2024

not just students. masters. studying from an undisputed master.
sorry. my bfa+ will never support it.

mopinko

(71,817 posts)
33. ps- no painter wd dare touch the work.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 10:26 AM
Jun 2024

art gawkers, otoh. and some students. a young women in a dwg class w me reached out and rubbed her finger on a picasso etching we were being shown in the ryerson library. we didnt have gloves on, cuz we were NOT TOUCHING THE WORK.

their security shd drop a containment cage on anyone who comes close.
and yes, i have been netflixing art heist shows.

lark

(24,164 posts)
25. Lock her up for life! This is a travesty!
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 09:15 AM
Jun 2024

OK, she didn't hurt it and it's hanging again, so tragedy narrowly avoided!

This Monet is so gorgeous! I couldn't stop staring at it when we went to Musee D'Orsay 12 years ago. The colors just glowed, you could almost see the clouds moving!

mopinko

(71,817 posts)
34. i saw them both in the art institute when i went to school there.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 10:32 AM
Jun 2024

went w my fave painting teacher.
do they have the later 1, too? after the cataracts?

he’s not my fave. not that huge an impressionist fan. expect mary cassat & lautrec. but he was, w/o doubt, a master painter and a master gardener. on that score, i salute him.

 

LeonidPlanck

(231 posts)
27. Independent activists, maybe?
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 09:25 AM
Jun 2024

Remember the days when two jerks poured red paint on people in the name of PETA? or when Bill Gates got the cream pie in the face? There was no real message in any of those things. In my mind those “activists” were simply proto-influencers looking for attention.

If you have a message, say it! I highly doubt that either climate or activism has anything to do with this. Think about Bankse: they creat intriguing art that engages an important social commentary, gets us to think, which doesn’t destroy anything - and we want them tokeep doing it.

Edited to maintain gender neutrality in the face of an anonymous street artist, because who knows?

Irish_Dem

(57,591 posts)
30. Who is funding these violent protestors?
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 09:44 AM
Jun 2024

There seems to be a common thread here. Protestors getting violent and acting out.

They hurt their cause more than they help it.

Irish_Dem

(57,591 posts)
69. It is probably laundered before it hits US shores.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 08:09 AM
Jun 2024

Plenty of banks and phony corporations willing to be washing machines.

mopinko

(71,817 posts)
66. yup.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 08:00 AM
Jun 2024

maybe check their homes for gold bars.
turkey has been meddling for a long, long time. anyone else remember the whistleblower from the turkish embassy in the w yrs? dont recall her name, but something edwards, i think.

Irish_Dem

(57,591 posts)
68. I don't remember the Turkish whistle blower. I will have to look it up.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 08:07 AM
Jun 2024

Yes Turkey, Iran, North Korea, Saudi.
Along with Russia and China.

The autocratic bloc.

Hekate

(94,683 posts)
96. Vandalism by its nature is an act of violence. If someone came into your home...
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 07:53 PM
Sep 19

…or your house of worship (presuming you have one) and trashed it, would you or would you not feel — violated? Your place of safety — made to feel unsafe.

Hekate

(94,683 posts)
103. Are we then to expect that places open to the public can be trashed at will? Why?
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 08:51 PM
Sep 19

The lowest form of ignorant barbarian rules? Proud Boys can do this? Hitler Youth can?

Or just climate “activists” ?

Voltaire2

(14,719 posts)
107. Your analogy was false.
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 12:25 AM
Sep 20

My original statement that no violence occurred remains accurate. There was no damage to the painting. There was no trespassing.

thucythucy

(8,742 posts)
40. And pointless, either way.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 12:32 PM
Jun 2024

Right now the latest news seems to be that the painting wasn't protected by glass, though this hasn't as yet been confirmed by staff at the museum.

Glass or no glass, it's difficult for me to see how this action does any good at all. Even if there was glass in place, "cleaning it off" means bringing in technicians who can do this so as not to further endanger the painting. Time--and money--that could be spent on some other project, like, for instance, restoring or preserving some other invaluable part of our cultural heritage.

Instead of this pointless behavior, why not, I don't know, go after some fossil fuel company instead? Or is there some connection between Monet and the oil cartels of which I'm not aware?

thucythucy

(8,742 posts)
42. Mostly they're talking about how fucked up some "climate activists" are.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 12:46 PM
Jun 2024

If that's the idea, then yes, success.

I doubt it'll remove a single molecule of CO2 from our atmosphere, or prevent an iota of fossil fuel use in the future.

Surely there are better ways to attract media attention.

It'll be even worse if it turns out the painting was damaged.

According to this account, the work was not protected by glass, and the video shows just how much of the painting might be damaged.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/pictured-climate-protester-sticks-apocalyptic-poster-to-monet-painting/ar-BB1ns2Oz?ocid=BingNewsSerp

We'll have to wait for confirmation on the glass, one way or the other.


Think. Again.

(17,996 posts)
43. I read the Monet is already back on view and not damaged...
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 01:07 PM
Jun 2024

"A restoration expert examined the painting which suffered no permanent damage, the Musee d'Orsay told AFP, adding that it had been put back on the wall.
"The exhibition is entirely accessible to the public again," a spokesperson said."

https://archive.is/tQhJG

I guess another benefit of this is the chuckles that the activists get from watching the public's heads explode over nothing.

thucythucy

(8,742 posts)
44. I wouldn't call an attack on our cultural heritage,
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 01:13 PM
Jun 2024

whether it results in "no permanent damage" or not, "nothing."

I'm glad though that the painting wasn't wrecked.



Think. Again.

(17,996 posts)
45. That's very insightful...
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 01:19 PM
Jun 2024

When you consider that our cultural heritage is so deeply intertwined with our addiction to oil, you give this action an added dimension of meaningfullness.

And here I thought they were only looking for the quickest, easiest way to get the morning papers to say the words "climate change".

thucythucy

(8,742 posts)
46. Whatever.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 05:39 PM
Jun 2024

Actually, pretty much everything about our society is intertwined with our addiction to oil, and to a much greater extent than a long dead artist whose carbon footprint was probably a small fraction of your own.

Waiting therefore for symbolic attacks on hospitals, day care centers, libraries, and anything else that might garner a couple of hours worth of headlines. The more outrageous and seemingly pointless the better.

Come to think of it, desecrating cemeteries has always drawn lots of attention.

Just to be sure:

thucythucy

(8,742 posts)
49. Damage is done.
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 05:55 PM
Jun 2024

Perhaps not to the art itself. But I'm pretty certain actions like this have museum staff most everywhere thinking long and hard about their own exhibits, wondering if it will happen to their own collections.

Do they put everything under glass? Hire more security? Remove their most precious and delicate exhibits out of reach of the public?

The damage done by attacks on our cultural heritage go beyond whether or not a particular work is damaged.

Good thing though that nothing connected to the fossil fuel industry was damaged or threatened in any way.

That'll show 'em!

Once again:





Think. Again.

(17,996 posts)
50. After all these actions...
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 06:02 PM
Jun 2024

...you still don't see that the activists are specifically choosing targets that will not be damaged by stickers, or paint, or soup...

thucythucy

(8,742 posts)
52. After all these actions
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 06:16 PM
Jun 2024

you still don't see that this does absolutely nothing to mitigate or prevent actual damage to the environment? And worse than nothing in terms of swaying public opinion?

At some point one of these wannabee cultural commandos will mess up and cause serious damage to someone or something.

Or they may inspire some of our lesser hinged consumers of media to act out on their own.

It's a dumb tactic, and fosters far more hostility than awareness of the climate crisis.

DU doesn't tolerate climate change denialists. I would assume most everyone on DU wants serious action taken to save our environment.
So look at the responses on this thread. Even a group as sympathetic as DU is mostly outraged at the stupidity of this tactic.

I don't expect the general public to be more sympathetic, in fact probably less.

But then it's so much easier to do the occasional grand stand performative "protest" than to do the hard work of actual political change.





thucythucy

(8,742 posts)
74. I expect that others have already done so
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 08:59 AM
Jun 2024

and that their concerns have thus far been ignored.

But since you're such an eloquent advocate for the efficacy of this tactic, when can we expect you to start splashing paint or gluing posters onto art at the nearest museum?

Assuming of course you haven't already done so.

betsuni

(27,258 posts)
87. When art, museums, hospitals, universities, small businesses, ordinary people become The Establishment.
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 03:11 AM
Jun 2024

The enemy. Complicit or something-adjacent.

Voltaire2

(14,719 posts)
51. After civilizational collapse there will likely
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 06:06 PM
Jun 2024

be very little left from the cultural artifacts of the ancient civilization. Perhaps shocking people through symbolic acts of protest is a reasonable strategy for action.

thucythucy

(8,742 posts)
53. Perhaps if there was some evidence that tactics like this work
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 06:26 PM
Jun 2024

you might have a point.

For the most part what I see--even here on DU where you'd expect people to be sympathetic to this cause--is people being outraged at the stupidity of these attacks, and the potential they have for discrediting the mainstream of climate change activism.

I rather doubt people who either deny or ignore the dangers of climate change will see this and go, "Oh my God! They're attacking museums! For sure I'm going to lessen my carbon footprint and pressure elected officials and carbon industry moguls to change their evil ways!"

I don't doubt however that there are oil executives and PR flaks who see this, chuckle, and say, "See, we told you they're all loonies."



thucythucy

(8,742 posts)
73. The link doesn't work for me,
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 08:54 AM
Jun 2024

in both senses.

That is, the link you provide won't load.

And also, co-incidence is not necessarily causation. That is to say, the fact that this or other acts of cultural vandalism occurred before women's voting rights were secured isn't proof that the one led directly to the other.

The vandalism you cite happened in 1914. The first suffrage act wasn't passed until 1918, but only for women over 30 who owned property. Voting rights for British women equal to those for British men didn't happen for another ten years after that.

What happened in the meantime of course was the Great War, when millions of women contributed to the war effort, including risking their lives in munitions factories and as nurses close to the front. Not only did these contributions argue for the justice of suffrage equality, but more importantly it also emboldened an entire generation of younger women. For the first time in British history masses of women earned their own money, lived apart from their families and made decisions about their lives with far less male oversight and control. They proved to society and to themselves that they could make their own way in the world without male supervision, undermining the central justification for denying them the vote.

It's difficult to tell someone who has spent time assembling artillery shells, to mention just one example, that she is too "emotional" or otherwise limited by her gender to make rational decisions about voting. It's also hard to say that mixing in politics will sully their "feminine innocence" when they've spent time with men coughing their lungs out after being gassed, bandaging wounds, or otherwise dealing face to face with the more horrid aspects of industrialized warfare and its aftermath.

I suspect that all this was far more important than individual acts of vandalism at the National Gallery, which may have helped the effort, or may have even hindered it.

Ponietz

(3,307 posts)
77. Thanks for the reply
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 09:33 AM
Jun 2024

If this one won’t work [link:https://artuk.org/discover/stories/fighting-for-representation-suffragettes-and-art-vandalism] look for this: Fighting for representation: suffragettes and art vandalism at www.artuk.org.

I fear some recent toxic train derailments and wildfires are caused by vandals.

thucythucy

(8,742 posts)
84. Thank you for this link.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 01:35 PM
Jun 2024

This one works. I've skimmed through the article but will have to get back to it.

I was however immediately struck by two things.

The first has to do with language. I always thought "Suffragette" was generally used as a pejorative. From my reading the women in the movement preferred "suffragist," which was seen as less demeaning. "Suffragette" was a term used usually by men, meant to be infantalizing. Kind of like how the original Beats were labeled "Beatniks" by the mass media. Allen Ginsberg and Gary Snyder would never have referred to themselves as "Beatniks."

So it makes me wonder about the quote attributed to Richardson. I'm thinking maybe she said, "Yes, I am a suffragist" but it was reported by the male run outlets as "suffragette?"

The second is how all the attacks seem to be on eroticised depictions of women. I doubt that "the male gaze" was a term back then, but that's what these works of targeted art seem to have in common, and it looks like the article discusses this at some length.

I'm looking forward to giving this more attention when I get the chance. But thank you for providing the link, it looks fascinating.

Best wishes.

Voltaire2

(14,719 posts)
61. At least we are talking about it.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 01:25 AM
Jun 2024

It was odd that the initial report erroneously claimed permanent damage. Wonder how that happened.

thucythucy

(8,742 posts)
90. Actually, we seem mostly to be talking about the stupidity of these tactics.
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 10:08 AM
Jun 2024

and I suspect that has been the overwhelming reaction. Even on a liberal forum like DU, the reaction seems to be mostly negative. I certainly haven't seen anyone--here or anywhere--saying anything like, "Oh, now I get it! Climate change bad! Hallelujah, I see the light!"

As for how the reporting was flawed, one possibility is the simple confusion and error that often accompany late breaking news.

The other, which you seem to be hinting at, is deliberate misrepresentation to make climate activists look like unbalanced idiots.

The fact that actions like these are so easy to misrepresent in just such a way is another reason why they are so misguided and even counterproductive.

Kaleva

(38,172 posts)
109. We are past the stage of talking. It's time to prepare for what's coming.
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 03:48 PM
Sep 20

And for millions, it might already be to late for that

Hekate

(94,683 posts)
97. You are very sure of that. If it was "harmless," why do it? Why not have a puppy play-date in some prominent place?
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 07:57 PM
Sep 19

Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #47)

Ponietz

(3,307 posts)
57. You can make another picture but you can't make another earth
Sun Jun 2, 2024, 10:04 PM
Jun 2024

I’m with the vandals on this one. They’re following the early 20th century suffragette template.
https://artuk.org/discover/stories/fighting-for-representation-suffragettes-and-art-vandalism

The crack and smash of breaking glass was the first indication that anything unusual was happening during a quiet lunchtime at The National Gallery in early 1914. The attendant on duty initially thought that a skylight undergoing repairs had shattered under pressure. As he threw aside his newspaper and peered up at the ceiling, the real damage was done. While the attendant was distracted, Mary Richardson, suffragette and member of the WSPU (Women's Social and Political Union) hacked six times at the prized oil painting by Velázquez, The Toilet of Venus.


This was the highest profile, but not the first, attack on paintings displayed in public by members of the women's suffrage movement. A year earlier three women armed with hammers smashed the glass protecting thirteen paintings by Pre-Raphaelite and Victorian masters in the Manchester Museum of Art. Like Richardson, this attack was nominally committed in protest against the incarceration of the founder of the WSPU, Emmeline Pankhurst.



greatauntoftriplets

(176,855 posts)
80. The Water Lilies panels in the Musee de l'Orangerie need to be protected.
Mon Jun 3, 2024, 10:41 AM
Jun 2024

This is the most impressive display of the Water Lilies ever. Monet himself donated the panels to the museum. You can literally touch these (I didn't, of course). But they're unprotected.

https://www.musee-orangerie.fr/en/node/197502

The Mona Lisa looks fine under glass. The only problem with its display was that the area it was in was too small. They've since moved it to a place that looks to be more open.

mahatmakanejeeves

(60,969 posts)
88. June 3, 2024, update from Artforum: Climate Activist Defaces Monet at Musee D'Orsay
Tue Jun 4, 2024, 05:49 AM
Jun 2024
CLIMATE ACTIVIST DEFACES MONET AT MUSÉE D’ORSAY

By News Desk
June 3, 2024 7:16 pm


Claude Monet, Coquelicots (Poppies), 1873, oil on canvas, 20 x 24". Photo: VCG Wilson/Corbis/Getty Images.

A climate activist with Riposte Alimentaire (Food Response) on June 1 stuck an adhesive poster to the glass protecting Claude Monet’s 1873 Coquelicots (Poppies) at the Musée d’Orsay in Paris. Depicting a blood-red and barren landscape that contrasted sharply with Monet’s bucolic image of a woman and child strolling through a lushly blooming field, the poster was meant to show what the young demonstrator described as the “nightmarish image [that] awaits us if no alternative is put in place.” Speaking to those present in the gallery, with one hand raised and the other glued to the wall behind her, the protester asserted, “At four more degrees, hell awaits us.”

{snip}

Multiple sources reported that the protester was arrested; French news agency AFP has said that the museum intends to file criminal charges against her. The institution confirmed that the painting was undamaged by the action and is already back on view.

{snip}
 

anilcnair

(11 posts)
91. Monet Painting at the Musee d'Orsay Vandalized by Climate Activist
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 07:26 AM
Sep 17

there was a notable incident where a painting by Claude Monet was vandalized by climate activists. On September 16, 2024, two activists from the group Last Generation threw a black substance over Monet's "Meules" (Haystacks) at the Musée d'Orsay in Paris. The painting was protected by glass, so the work itself wasn’t damaged, but the act caused quite a stir.

The activists’ aim was to draw attention to climate change issues, and such dramatic actions are intended to spark conversation and action on the climate crisis. While the painting's physical safety was ensured by the protective glass, the incident generated significant media coverage and public debate about the most effective ways to protest and address climate change.

mahatmakanejeeves

(60,969 posts)
92. You found me again, huh?
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 08:29 AM
Sep 17

Last edited Thu Sep 19, 2024, 08:07 AM - Edit history (2)

there was a notable incident where a painting by Claude Monet was vandalized by climate activists. On September 16, 2024, two activists from the group Last Generation threw a black substance over Monet's "Meules" (Haystacks) at the Musée d'Orsay in Paris. The painting was protected by glass, so the work itself wasn’t damaged, but the act caused quite a stir.

By the way, you're a crappy bot. The vandalism occurred on June 1, 2024.

CTyankee

(65,041 posts)
93. This seems to be one of the WORST ways to promote your cause.
Wed Sep 18, 2024, 11:52 AM
Sep 18

I truly do not understand why promoters of this tactic think this advances their cause. At worst, it is destructive of great art, at best it looks like a stunt. This stuff just won't get you where you want to be....

Think. Again.

(17,996 posts)
101. Well, no art was damaged and this is STILL a topic of discussion, at least here...
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 08:26 PM
Sep 19

...months later.

Success!

Hekate

(94,683 posts)
104. What are you inspired to do that will involve throwing your body into the gears of The Machine & make it stop?
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 09:41 PM
Sep 19

Because we can all tell you are really, really invested in this method of protest — but as with PETA, nothing really changes and no progress is made toward what they and you claim is the goal.

So being all inspired and all, how are you spending your spare time?

Think. Again.

(17,996 posts)
105. Don't be silly...
Thu Sep 19, 2024, 09:53 PM
Sep 19

...I'm just trying to bring anyone who has been manipulated by the press coverage on this, back into reality.

If you really want the activists to stop, stop making such a big fuss over it....

"The institution confirmed that the painting was undamaged by the action and is already back on view." -from the article update in post #88.

CTyankee

(65,041 posts)
108. Really?
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 03:21 AM
Sep 20

Let's all invade art museums and see where that "discussion" takes us! The cause has not been moved forward, just backward. The "success" is hardly helpful to the cause. If anything, it damages it. Good lord

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