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lees1975

(5,959 posts)
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 07:45 PM Sep 8

"Democracy dies in Darkness" says the Washington Post, as they help turn out the lights.

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2024/09/democracy-dies-in-darkness-says-motto.html

To conservatives, anything that isn't favorable toward their preferred perspective and politicians, and which calls out and reports negative information about them is biased, as far as they are concerned. The idea of finding a "niche" among the population that is prone to believe conspiracy theories and that is lacking enough education and discernment to actually distinguish between facts and what they perceive as some kind of bias was exploited by Rush Limbaugh. He found his "niche audience" on AM radio, a medium with which he was familiar from his days of playing records and announcing song titles and artists as a disc jockey.

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I couldn't move forward here without mentioning Rupert Murdock. No links, no credit, and one paragraph to simply say that this is one of the biggest obstacles in America to a free press. If it were possible to sue and hold accountable one person for the damage done by decades of misinformation, it would be this man, and his Fox News empire. They were sued, by the way, in a crippling way, and I am praying that there's more of this on the way. That would be one magnificent way to help turn some of the lights back on. If that would extend to all of the right wing extremist wannabees who have followed Murdock's model and imitated his despicable character, like Newsmax and others of that ilk, we might have a free press again at some point. This is one big reason why we no longer do.

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And that illustrates what's going on in America's "free press." It has grown into a system that has been made to work for its ownership's political interests. There is no interest anymore in defending Democracy or in protecting "we, the people" from tyranny. The "niche" audience of people on the political left is still large enough and effective enough to have some influence, and make a place for itself in the market, as we see in MSNBC, and to some extent, still has some influence in the corporate board rooms of the three major networks. But this is not a free press. That has died. This is now, like just about everything else in the United States, a commodity that can be bought and sold in the marketplace.
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"Democracy dies in Darkness" says the Washington Post, as they help turn out the lights. (Original Post) lees1975 Sep 8 OP
that is Washington Post's slogan Skittles Sep 8 #1
WaPo Shellback Squid Sep 8 #2
New York Times motto dweller Sep 8 #3
I caught it. Thanks! lees1975 Sep 8 #5
Part of the problem is intellectuals tiring at speaking cachukis Sep 8 #4
Dining in an airport and missing the flight out FakeNoose Sep 10 #19
And there's the digital divide. usonian Sep 8 #6
I don't like having to use archive.ph. But I also know that newspapers cannot survive on online ads LauraInLA Sep 8 #7
I don't like their double-dealing. usonian Sep 8 #8
Very well put orthoclad Sep 10 #13
No, newspapers will remain a niche product. Elessar Zappa Sep 9 #10
In the OP, in the article that is linked, all of these independent media sources are linked. And they tell the truth. lees1975 Sep 9 #9
I don't find all of the listed sources credible -- sorry ;(. And I suspect that's part of our problem. LauraInLA Sep 9 #11
Some may be more credible than others. lees1975 Sep 10 #14
Out of all those, I'd only say one is a real news source -- McClatchy DC since it's affiliated with newspapers. ificandream Sep 10 #18
Post removed Post removed Sep 10 #12
Re. The NY Times, it's interesting to look at their Board of Directors (from Wikipedia) and think about motivations/slan LauraInLA Sep 10 #15
Coincidentally, I received this email solicitation this morning from the NY Sun. How did they find me? Hmm.... LauraInLA Sep 10 #16
A real ignorant piece if I ever saw one. ificandream Sep 10 #17

cachukis

(2,674 posts)
4. Part of the problem is intellectuals tiring at speaking
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 08:12 PM
Sep 8

over the heads of their audience. The audience tires of being talked down to.
Both perspectives are drawn to their peer level.
Statistics show the average IQ to be 100. 50% above and 50% below.
Your IQ is an indicator of how well you handle a broad spectrum of problems.
It is not an indicator of stupidity.
Some do well with repairing computers and would have trouble stacking a dishwasher.
What it all boils down to is our world view. We all imagine a world to our liking.
Our life experience takes us there.
We can prattle on about this and that, but anyone's world view is dependent on how open they are to accepting the fallacy of that world view.
Convince someone of faith that they are delusional. How many lifetimes do you have.
Let them dine in an airport and miss their connection and you have a learning experience.
People live transactional lives. They don't recognize their transformation.
It happens slowly with routine, but moves quickly in the hustle and bustle.
We can't let up. They need us.

FakeNoose

(35,687 posts)
19. Dining in an airport and missing the flight out
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:41 PM
Sep 10

... I actually did that once.

One time ... never again.

usonian

(13,836 posts)
6. And there's the digital divide.
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 08:31 PM
Sep 8

As more media paywall their content, the non-rich only get lies, conspiracy theories, propaganda and bullshit, which will ALWAYS be free for all to consume and choke on. In short:

LauraInLA

(1,306 posts)
7. I don't like having to use archive.ph. But I also know that newspapers cannot survive on online ads
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 10:53 PM
Sep 8

alone, and their print subscriptions have declined severely. Once upon a time, almost every household subscribed to at least one newspaper; people who couldn’t afford it often visited the library to read. Until we commit to doing that again, they will struggle. I don’t blame the news media.

usonian

(13,836 posts)
8. I don't like their double-dealing.
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 11:49 PM
Sep 8

They open their sites to Google in order to drive clicks, but the visitor hits the paywall instead. So that's part of how the paywall bypasses work.

Greedy people "want it both ways"

Advertising is a poison, decidedly so in election years, when lies are spread, and always a vector for malware.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/24/advertising-poison-hooked

I pay for what I value, and also support the free software and other sharing communities. Greed has destroyed much of the sharing spirit that communities have/had built up.

In my jobs, I have always adapted to change. Those businesses not smart enough to figure this out do not deserve my charity. In a real marketplace, they fail, but marketplaces are rigged.

In the rigged capitalist world, dinosaurs do not die out. The entire world is altered at enormous cost, to keep them alive.

So we're can have more of this biased "Reporting"



orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
13. Very well put
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 05:53 AM
Sep 10

Democracy did better when we had daily print newspapers, with investigative reporters who had staffs and budgets. Most major cities had multiple such papers competing to break stories. The net doesn't, can't, replace that.

The Guardian and Mother Jones are still independent, but they can't cover local news.

lees1975

(5,959 posts)
9. In the OP, in the article that is linked, all of these independent media sources are linked. And they tell the truth.
Mon Sep 9, 2024, 11:01 AM
Sep 9

In the meantime, I will share some links that I hope will be beneficial and provide some peace of mind in this time of media confusion and usurpation.

Common Dreams

Pacifica Network

AlterNet

Democracy Now!

McClatchy DC

Mother Jones

Nation of Change

Salon

The American Prospect

The Intercept

The Nation

The Atlantic

Baptist News Global

The New Yorker

LauraInLA

(1,306 posts)
11. I don't find all of the listed sources credible -- sorry ;(. And I suspect that's part of our problem.
Mon Sep 9, 2024, 07:16 PM
Sep 9

I would add The Guardian, if you don’t know it; you might like it.

lees1975

(5,959 posts)
14. Some may be more credible than others.
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 11:32 AM
Sep 10

What they have in common is that they are independent news sources not connected to corporate media or dependent on funding from a source that demands adherence to a particular position. That's the beauty of freedom of conscience. The Press shouldn't have to compete in the marketplace of investments that affect its neutrality, it should compete in the marketplace of ideas with its accuracy and factual reporting. It must be credible to survive. And the pressure is on when people are constantly checking the credibility.

I have read the Guardian on occasion, not frequently. I will check it out.

ificandream

(10,522 posts)
18. Out of all those, I'd only say one is a real news source -- McClatchy DC since it's affiliated with newspapers.
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 02:59 PM
Sep 10

That's not to say some of the others aren't trustworthy, but none of them outside of McClatchy are as strong as they are. I should say I like Democracy Now! quite a bit (actually quite a lot), but they're like MSNBC -- heavily left biased. Which isn't awful, but doesn't make their opinion a journalistic source. (On the other hand, since MSNBC is affiliated with NBC News, there are journalism roots there. But you just have to separate the news from the opinion -- and not too many seem to know how to do that.

To add: This Signal Press Blog is just that -- a blog. One man's opinion. Which he can have.

Response to lees1975 (Original post)

LauraInLA

(1,306 posts)
15. Re. The NY Times, it's interesting to look at their Board of Directors (from Wikipedia) and think about motivations/slan
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 12:13 PM
Sep 10

As of June 2024:[45]

A. G. Sulzberger, chairman of The New York Times Company and publisher of The New York Times
Amanpal S. Bhutani, CEO of GoDaddy
Manuel Bronstein, CPO of Roblox
Beth Brooke, former global vice chair of public policy for Ernst & Young
Rachel Glaser, CFO of Etsy
Arthur Golden, best-selling author
Meredith Kopit Levien, president and CEO of The New York Times Company
Brian P. McAndrews, former president, CEO, and chairman of Pandora Media
David Perpich, publisher of The Athletic and Wirecutter
John W. Rogers Jr., founder and chairman of Ariel Investments
Anuradha B. Subramanian, CFO of Bumble
Margot Golden Tishler, chair of the Ochs-Sulzberger Trust
Rebecca Van Dyck, former COO for Reality Labs at Meta Platforms

LauraInLA

(1,306 posts)
16. Coincidentally, I received this email solicitation this morning from the NY Sun. How did they find me? Hmm....
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 12:15 PM
Sep 10

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It wasn’t so long ago that The New York Times was upheld as the gold
standard in journalism. Today, many Americans feel the paper has betrayed its readers.

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ificandream

(10,522 posts)
17. A real ignorant piece if I ever saw one.
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 02:52 PM
Sep 10

The writer doesn't know crap about newspapers or journalism. Look, folks, if Trump gets re-elected, many of the news outlets you gripe about will get pursued by Trump. The real enemies of America are Fox, Newsmax and the other right-wing news garbage. The Times, The Post and MSNBC (frequently criticized often here) aren't your enemy. They're your friend. Real journalism doesn't cheerlead. Stop expecting it to.

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