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Dulcinea

(7,518 posts)
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 06:39 AM Oct 25

Progressives warn Harris must change her closing message as the election looms

NEW YORK (AP) — Progressive Democrats warn Kamala Harris risks losing the support of a small but significant portion of her political base unless she changes her campaign's closing message — and its messengers — immediately.

Specifically, several progressive leaders believe that the Democratic nominee has been too focused on winning over moderate Republicans in recent days at the expense of her own party's passionate liberals. And they say that Harris' closing message, which is increasingly centered on Republican Donald Trump and the threat he poses to U.S. democracy, ignores the economic struggles of the nation's working class.

Some far-left leaders are also irked that Harris has shared the stage in recent days with former House Republican leader Liz Cheney and billionaire businessman Mark Cuban while progressive icons like Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have been relegated to low-profile roles.

“The truth of the matter is that there are a hell of a lot more working-class people who could vote for Kamala Harris than there are conservative Republicans,” Sanders told The Associated Press in an interview Thursday.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/progressives-warn-harris-must-change-040136928.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&segment_id=DY_VTO&ncid=crm_19908-1202929-20241025-0&bt_user_id=oUcp%2BjJFoJldNTctwqUDm6dcBzT9FJdyK8YqHM6yjH2kmt2OqsHrBupEF0vEGCot&bt_ts=1729855525635

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Progressives warn Harris must change her closing message as the election looms (Original Post) Dulcinea Oct 25 OP
Do these progressives want to see TFG re-elected? LetMyPeopleVote Oct 25 #1
This is a BS Yahoo article gab13by13 Oct 25 #4
The article is from AP. Yahoo is just an aggregator that posted it. Beastly Boy Oct 25 #10
Correction, it is a BS AP article meant to divide Democrats gab13by13 Oct 25 #11
I can't believe Kamala is focused on winning. What lunacy is that? Native Oct 25 #2
Far-left.......................... Lovie777 Oct 25 #3
Why in heaven's name did you post that? gab13by13 Oct 25 #5
Or else what? Beastly Boy Oct 25 #6
"radical progressives"? Really? gab13by13 Oct 25 #12
Do you prefer "passionate liberals", as the bullshit AP article calls them? Beastly Boy Oct 25 #18
So I guess we should "bitch slap" gab13by13 Oct 25 #19
Taylor Swift is not bringing entitled attention seekers to the polls. Beastly Boy Oct 25 #21
Yahoo wants a viral "dems in disarray" story ms liberty Oct 25 #7
IIRC unemployment is at a 50-year low, and that includes progrssives, or which I am one. brush Oct 25 #8
The article posted gives no specifics gab13by13 Oct 25 #13
Thanks. Will ignore it. brush Oct 25 #15
I'm not bothered epreic01 Oct 25 #9
Really? gab13by13 Oct 25 #14
I don't see this as a base election. MontanaFarmer Oct 25 #17
Not literal epreic01 Oct 25 #22
I think this. MontanaFarmer Oct 25 #16
Manufactured drama for headlines bucolic_frolic Oct 25 #20
lol. what nonsense. travelingthrulife Oct 25 #23
I have trouble believing that there are more than a handful of progressives who are really this stupid and ignorant. lees1975 Oct 25 #24

LetMyPeopleVote

(154,840 posts)
1. Do these progressives want to see TFG re-elected?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 06:45 AM
Oct 25

The choice is between our democratic form of government or a TFG dictatorship where Project 2025 will be used to give TFG complete control of our government. There will be no guardrails and TFG will be allowed to use the military to shoot or arrest TFG’s enemies from within

gab13by13

(25,290 posts)
4. This is a BS Yahoo article
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 06:58 AM
Oct 25

Bernie Sanders and AOC have been campaigning hard for Kamala.

I read the link and it speaks in generalities, no specifics.

IMO this Yahoo article is a right wing smear job meant to divide Democrats.

Beastly Boy

(11,200 posts)
10. The article is from AP. Yahoo is just an aggregator that posted it.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:06 AM
Oct 25

Not that AP has never posted bullshit articles before.

gab13by13

(25,290 posts)
5. Why in heaven's name did you post that?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:00 AM
Oct 25

Do you want to divide Democrats? Show me in that Yahoo article where Bernie Sanders and AOC are upset with Kamala.

A week and a half before the election and we believe right wing nonsense. Unreal.

Beastly Boy

(11,200 posts)
6. Or else what?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:01 AM
Oct 25

Certainly, wasting political capital to win over radical progressives with this attitude at the expense of moderate Republicans is a losing proposition. Democrats have learned that lesson in 2016.

gab13by13

(25,290 posts)
12. "radical progressives"? Really?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:11 AM
Oct 25

So you believe the AP article?

President Biden has been pretty progressive in his policies and he beat TSF by 7 million votes.

Beastly Boy

(11,200 posts)
18. Do you prefer "passionate liberals", as the bullshit AP article calls them?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:24 AM
Oct 25

Ok, have it your way.

As for me, I don't "believe" anything. I learn from history, I analyze, I draw conclusions. My comment is not based on the AP's bullshit article, it is based on the first Trump presidency and what made it happen. History taught me a cruel lesson in the 2016 elections. The current political crisis threatening our democracy is a direct outcome.

gab13by13

(25,290 posts)
19. So I guess we should "bitch slap"
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:36 AM
Oct 25

all of the progressives who Taylor Swift is bringing to the polls, as someone else suggested.

President Biden did some pretty wild progressive things, like forgiving student loan debt and lowering drug prices.

I understand what happened in 2016 and there were progressives who wanted the perfect candidate and many voted for Jill Stein. This isn't 2016 and I see zero evidence that what happened in 2016 is happening again and we don't need division at this stage of the contest.

Beastly Boy

(11,200 posts)
21. Taylor Swift is not bringing entitled attention seekers to the polls.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:56 AM
Oct 25

She is bringing young people who understand their civic responsibilities and what's at stake to the polls. Those young people don't make demands as a condition for doing the right thing.

And just to remind you: Biden has been called middle of the road establishment neoliberal by the "passionate liberals". So you don't get it both ways. You are talking about two completely different segments of voters: those who vote Democratic because it's the right thing to do, and those who demand special attention as a precondition to voting Democratic, or else.

What you are forgetting about 2016 is that a full 11% of Bernie supporters voted for Trump, in addition to those who voted for Stein and Gabbard in much smaller numbers. And that's not counting those who didn't vote. As a "protest". All because they didn't get their way.

And how can you possibly see zero evidence of it happening again, when the "passionate liberals" are telling you what their intentions are to your face? Literally.

brush

(57,711 posts)
8. IIRC unemployment is at a 50-year low, and that includes progrssives, or which I am one.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:03 AM
Oct 25

I'm searching for the authenticity of this argument but I'm not finding much. I mean what is the issue of getting endorsements for a win from many republicans against republican trump?

I'm searching but not finding much but mole hills.

gab13by13

(25,290 posts)
13. The article posted gives no specifics
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:13 AM
Oct 25

Ignore it, it is meant to divide us.

For fucks sake Bernie Sanders and AOC are out campaigning for Kamala.

epreic01

(262 posts)
9. I'm not bothered
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:05 AM
Oct 25

She’s not promising anything other than democracy, protecting the constitution, a cabinet position, and an open mind… I kind of need a Democrat to bitch slap some of our base and say hey we can’t all get 💯 of what we want. Getting most of what you want is better than nothing.

gab13by13

(25,290 posts)
14. Really?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:16 AM
Oct 25

"bitch slap some of our base" are you serious?

TSF has a ceiling of 47 or 48% tops. All we have to do is turnout our base and you suggest bitch slapping some of them?

Unbelievable.

MontanaFarmer

(743 posts)
17. I don't see this as a base election.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:22 AM
Oct 25

Trump does, but that's his only play. He narrowly won the last base election, 2016. 2020 was closer to a turnout election and we won it. Where? In the suburbs and rural areas, where Biden attracted enough disaffected moderates to win states Clinton lost. Hard to argue with the Harris strategy even if i would prefer a more hopeful closing argument.

epreic01

(262 posts)
22. Not literal
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 08:01 AM
Oct 25

But I find it unbelievable that people are willing to throw democracy away bc they aren’t going to get 💯 what they want. For example, I have an uncomfortable amount of students of color wearing MAGA hats bc they’re mad about trans kids in sports. So they’re willing to let democracy due to give a middle finger to the trans community.
And yes his ceiling is 47-48%, but he can win the EC with that amount. Republicans are roughly 50% of this country and for the most part they are white and christian. We are the other 50% and we are 5% this, 10% that, and a bunch of 1-2%. It’s a delicate coalition and to expect a candidate to be everything to everyone is irrational. She’s trying to secure a victory here. And this isn’t against a Romney. This is against a Hitler. I’m completely comfortable with her reaching out to anyone her campaign thinks is gettable. Some if us have even more at stake in this election. Our right to exist. Period. I’m a gay man living in a red state. My mother just died a couple months ago and I’m trying to care for my Dad, but with the laws they’re trying to pass I may not be able to stay here. It’s scary and for people to be so picky when Trump and Project 2025 is a real physical threat to people is mind blowing.

MontanaFarmer

(743 posts)
16. I think this.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:17 AM
Oct 25

Obviously the campaign's research/data people are finding that A) there are persuedable moderates and repubs out there and B) she doesn't have them yet. They've made the decision that reminding people how awful trump is is better messaging than working the economy angle. I think and hope she can (if you'll permit me) weave together effectively, in her Texas and Ellipse speeches, the danger of Trump and the hope in Harris. She has good ideas, she's relatively young, energetic, and positive, and I do think that all needs to be a part of the close. AOC has been a great surrogate this cycle, both for Biden and now for Harris. She's Obviously not going to love the Liz Cheney stuff but she'll keep playing for the team. I haven't paid attention to what Bernie is up to since his convention speech so I can't speak to that.

lees1975

(6,009 posts)
24. I have trouble believing that there are more than a handful of progressives who are really this stupid and ignorant.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 11:07 AM
Oct 25

So a progressive, someone who holds to the ideology of Bernie Sanders or AOC, such as MYSELF!!!! would even think about staying home or getting frumped up and offended because Kamala Harris is trying to broaden her constituency and WIN THE DAMN ELECTION?

Sometimes, when I see stuff like this, it explains fully why a fascist, Hitler, dictator loving, lying scum bucket like Trump is running a close election. A political constituency that values education ought to be able to apply some of it, and provide evidence of critical thinking, instead of this trash. It sure explains why progressives have trouble getting any traction.

Sheesh.

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