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LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 06:57 PM Nov 22

I just found out today my father, decades ago, superglued a small Yorkshire Terrier's lips together as punishment

Because the dog was locked in a small room 24/7 by him with no human interaction, and the dog acted out his distress by chewing on the wallpaper.

He also took a pet kitten of my stepsister and threw it over the fence, causing the animal not only physical damage but the cat never came back.

He also (and this is something I already knew about) beat up 12 and 9 year old girls (my two stepsisters and their friend) and then denied it.

He also spent his life choking, smacking, hitting women and only stopped leaving bruises when he finally got arrested for it in 1987.

He has also held loaded guns to the heads of his wives (he’s had a lot of wives).

I won’t go into the stuff he did to me and my siblings.

I tried so hard to forgive him and get along with him in spite of how he always put me down every time I talked to him and in spite of all the abuse from my childhood, but somehow knowing about him super glueing the dog’s lips helped me understand, truly understand, the man who made my childhood hell on earth, is truly a monster.

I used to think maybe I was a bad kid and deserved the abuse.

But that dog did not deserve what he did to him.

My father is just a monster, that’s all.

And he is dying now.

May God, if He exists, show my father the same mercy he showed to that dog snd cat.

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I just found out today my father, decades ago, superglued a small Yorkshire Terrier's lips together as punishment (Original Post) LiberalLoner Nov 22 OP
He doesnt deserve forgivness gay texan Nov 22 #1
He is a Trumper, too, no shock. He also thought the torture at Abu Ghraib was perfectly fine. LiberalLoner Nov 22 #2
I am so sorry you, your siblings, stepmoms, mom, Ilsa Nov 22 #3
Thank you so much. I've struggled all my life with depression and anxiety. LiberalLoner Nov 22 #8
This is horrible but I wish for you peace and comfort knowing you survived all this 🌺 Deuxcents Nov 22 #4
Thank you so much. 💙 LiberalLoner Nov 22 #9
Peace be with you. mobeau69 Nov 22 #5
Thank you so much 💙 LiberalLoner Nov 22 #10
Some people deserve no forgiveness. Basso8vb Nov 22 #6
Thank you so much. 💙 LiberalLoner Nov 22 #11
Agonizing. Be strong. Make friends with trees. cachukis Nov 22 #7
Thank you so much. 💙 my best friends are my kitty Mr. Bobo and the crows I feed peanuts to every morning. LiberalLoner Nov 22 #12
There was a fellow from India, one afternoon on cachukis Nov 22 #14
Thank you so much! Yesterday I baked bread, today I made chocolate chip cookies for my husband, and LiberalLoner Nov 22 #20
Aces. cachukis Nov 22 #26
🙂 LiberalLoner Nov 22 #48
My god I'm so so sorry you experienced this. Mike 03 Nov 22 #13
Thank you so so much. 💙. I've struggled with depression and anxiety, won't lie. I've tried to be a good person. LiberalLoner Nov 22 #21
No creature or human. deserves the treatment he gave. I think we messaged each other, YOU did not deserve the treatment. debm55 Nov 22 #15
Thank you so so much for your compassion, your words mean a lot to me and I'm sorry LiberalLoner Nov 22 #19
You and others of this abuser are survivors Niagara Nov 22 #16
Thank you. I will cry when he dies but also feel relieved. Thank you for understanding. I'm sorry you were hurt too... LiberalLoner Nov 22 #22
If you ever need to talk.... Niagara Nov 22 #53
Thank you so so much. That means a lot to me. All the kind posts here mean a lot to me too, you guys are so awesome. I LiberalLoner Nov 23 #67
You're welcome, LiberalLoner Niagara Nov 23 #76
💙💙💙💙🤗🤗🤗🤗 LiberalLoner Nov 23 #77
There are simply no words fit to print here to express my views on this niyad Nov 22 #17
Thank you so so much. Love you sister 💙💙💙💙💙 LiberalLoner Nov 22 #23
Love you, too. huggggggs. niyad Nov 22 #24
💙💙💙 LiberalLoner Nov 22 #35
The pain must be crushing but the fact that you Janeyre Nov 22 #18
Thank you so much. 💙💙 when I went no contact he was still healthy, I have since emailed him LiberalLoner Nov 22 #25
Oh my gosh Janeyre Nov 22 #31
Thank you so much. This is such a healing song for all of us who have difficult relationships with our fathers. 💙💙💙 LiberalLoner Nov 22 #36
Did he vote for Trump? It would make a fitting end to a life, not lived well. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 22 #27
Yes total Trumper LiberalLoner Nov 22 #29
Of course. Still. he's your dad and I hope it works out for you... OAITW r.2.0 Nov 22 #33
💙💙💙 LiberalLoner Nov 22 #37
Some beings are simply beyond redemption, and being told WE have to keep niyad Nov 22 #40
Yes, I believe we do have the right to protect ourselves, in the end. LiberalLoner Nov 22 #49
I agree. When my husband was told he had malignant cancer , I called my mother for support, All I got was "everyone has debm55 Nov 22 #57
I remember a little of how awful your family has been through Rich's niyad Nov 23 #63
Oh my god I am so sorry for what you went through. Those people are monsters and I am so glad LiberalLoner Nov 23 #68
A healthy response to evil Stargazer99 Nov 23 #64
👍👏💙 LiberalLoner Nov 23 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author niyad Nov 22 #41
Would you let your SO do this and go back to them? Yes, they are my family . However through many years of Sexual, debm55 Nov 22 #58
Did you mean to address this to me debm55? OAITW r.2.0 Nov 22 #59
I did debm55 Nov 22 #60
None of my SO's over the years would accept this kind of behavior. I wouldn't. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 22 #62
Good riddance. May you not have to drag his carcass around with you. diane in sf Nov 22 #28
💙💙💙 but I'll cry even so. LiberalLoner Nov 22 #30
His soul energy will be very damaged CanonRay Nov 22 #32
I always knew he was damaged inside, from my earliest memories, I always felt sorry for him even though I hated to be LiberalLoner Nov 22 #38
And me when I was seven and he was home from Vietnam. My mother and older brother in the photo. LiberalLoner Nov 22 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author surfered Nov 22 #34
??? How is that related to this thread? niyad Nov 22 #43
He made his choices. Wrong choices. LiberalFighter Nov 22 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLoner Nov 22 #44
Thank you 💙💙💙. Email from my stepsister in case anyone wants to see first hand. LiberalLoner Nov 22 #46
People shouldn't suffer like that LiberalFighter Nov 22 #54
💙💙💙 LiberalLoner Nov 22 #55
Did he ever pick on somebody his own size? GreenWave Nov 22 #45
Well, he went to war twice, Infantry. Got his front teeth knocked out in a bar fight in his late teens. LiberalLoner Nov 22 #47
LiberalLoner, you are amazing. You are so brave! You are a survivor! MLAA Nov 22 #50
Thank you so so much! 💙💙💙. Right now I feel like the luckiest woman on earth, LiberalLoner Nov 23 #71
I'm so sorry. The worst thing about evil people is that they contaminate our lives. MaryMagdaline Nov 22 #51
Thank you so much. I am free of him already, but sometimes I wrestle with the feelings, especially when I learn of new LiberalLoner Nov 23 #72
Hard hugs to you some_of_us_are_sane Nov 22 #52
Thank you so so much. It was hard today to learn of what my poor stepsisters witnessed, and the animal abuse. It's like LiberalLoner Nov 23 #73
Sorry. I was posting this to the thread about Musk and government waste. Sorry, cannot explain what happened surfered Nov 22 #56
It's okay! I figured it was a glitch in the system! 🤗 LiberalLoner Nov 23 #70
Your father will be repaid for all the abuses. I'm sorry you and your siblings had to go through this. Monster is right dai13sy Nov 22 #61
Thank you so so much. So many of us tried to change him but we couldn't get through to him. The only thing that LiberalLoner Nov 23 #74
A close relative of mine abused animals and other living things CountAllVotes Nov 23 #65
I forgave, really, at a very young age because I knew instinctively he was so damaged. I'm upset today because LiberalLoner Nov 23 #75
"And he is dying now." Good. Bye. n/t flvegan Nov 23 #66
💙💙💙 LiberalLoner Nov 23 #78
I am so sorry for all you and your family members went through because of your father. HeartsCanHope Nov 23 #79
Thank you so much 💙💙💙 LiberalLoner Nov 24 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLoner Nov 25 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLoner Nov 25 #82

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
2. He is a Trumper, too, no shock. He also thought the torture at Abu Ghraib was perfectly fine.
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:00 PM
Nov 22

Ilsa

(62,281 posts)
3. I am so sorry you, your siblings, stepmoms, mom,
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:09 PM
Nov 22

small animals, all God's creatures, had to endure pain inflicted by this monstrous sociopath. Personally, I believe justice will be done.

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
8. Thank you so much. I've struggled all my life with depression and anxiety.
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:15 PM
Nov 22

It makes me so sad he hurt so many other people and animals.

Part of me wishes I would have gotten a gun and stopped him from hurting others.

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
12. Thank you so much. 💙 my best friends are my kitty Mr. Bobo and the crows I feed peanuts to every morning.
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:17 PM
Nov 22

cachukis

(2,745 posts)
14. There was a fellow from India, one afternoon on
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:23 PM
Nov 22

NPR, who explained a philosophical perspective during hard times, that connected various trials for me.
When things are not going your way, he said. Bake bread. It will give you purpose.
Should that not work, he suggested to take to the loom. It will require some devotion.
Best path forward.

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
20. Thank you so much! Yesterday I baked bread, today I made chocolate chip cookies for my husband, and
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:47 PM
Nov 22

The last couple of days I have painted pet portraits for my stepsister.

I cuddled a lot with my kitty Mr. Bobo and fed peanuts to the crows and they cawed their joy for me.

Mike 03

(17,363 posts)
13. My god I'm so so sorry you experienced this.
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:22 PM
Nov 22

I can't even imagine what this was like. I'm glad you survived and are here to tell your story, but the best thing of all would be for you not to have this story to tell. The fact that you are here and posting makes me believe you somehow survived this, but I imagine it hasn't been easy.

Sending you total compassion, empathy and everything good.

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
21. Thank you so so much. 💙. I've struggled with depression and anxiety, won't lie. I've tried to be a good person.
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:48 PM
Nov 22

debm55

(38,425 posts)
15. No creature or human. deserves the treatment he gave. I think we messaged each other, YOU did not deserve the treatment.
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:29 PM
Nov 22

The dog and cat did not deserve the treatment. Very much of your story is my story. You did nothing to deserve the pain and suffering . Neither did the other kids. YOU are loveable . You are strong. Don't let your father win by making you feel you are at fault. You are brave and strong for putting up all that shit. A kid, at any age, deserves to be loved. As I said , I know your story all to well. Seek peace in your own heart for what he put you through. I didn't cry when my father died and I won't when my mother dies. You hold the truth in your mind and heart. You know that your dad was not normal.or loving. You should have no guilt for what you went though. You are loved. Some people should not have kids, Kids need to be loved and you are loved. Don't you forget that. He was not capable of loving you. And like my parents refused to get help and I owed them something for having me. You deserved better . and now the final answer is yours. Will it bother you not to care about him.I don't want to mean about your father. But he did lay the groundwork for all that he has done. Deep in your heart you know the type of person he was. I would tell him about the animals the toxcity of him before he dies. If you don't you will feel guilty . But remember you are a strong person. a brave person and a loveable person. Deb

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
19. Thank you so so much for your compassion, your words mean a lot to me and I'm sorry
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:45 PM
Nov 22

You went through this too.

He says I am sick and need help because I went no contact with him and the rest of the abusive family.

But I think he is the one who is sick.

Thank you. 💙💙💙

Niagara

(9,905 posts)
16. You and others of this abuser are survivors
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:35 PM
Nov 22

I wasn't there for my father on his death bed either, so I understand.

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
22. Thank you. I will cry when he dies but also feel relieved. Thank you for understanding. I'm sorry you were hurt too...
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:51 PM
Nov 22

When my father dies I will play this song.

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LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
67. Thank you so so much. That means a lot to me. All the kind posts here mean a lot to me too, you guys are so awesome. I
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 07:26 AM
Nov 23

Didn’t really have anyone to talk to about this because my husband is like, well, he beat his wives and little kids, why are you shocked and upset he did that to a little dog, didn’t you know that’s how he is?

But somehow learning that, and learning about his mistreatment of the kitten, upset me a great deal. I wasn’t able to shrug my shoulders about it like my husband did.

So I’m really grateful DU let me talk about it and everyone was so supportive. Thank you all. 💙💙💙💙💙

Niagara

(9,905 posts)
76. You're welcome, LiberalLoner
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 08:18 AM
Nov 23

There's a few of here that have had experience with an abusive/unsavory parent.


💙

niyad

(120,663 posts)
17. There are simply no words fit to print here to express my views on this
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:44 PM
Nov 22

monster. May he receive everything he deserves.

You do not need to forgive him. He is indeed a monster. You do, however, need to forgive yourself for feeling even for just one second that you deserved any of that. Please know that you are loved, that you are a valued member of this community, and that you deserve a good and happy life, without carrying the dead weight of this monster with you.

Your DU family is here for you. Lean as hard as you need.

Janeyre

(14 posts)
18. The pain must be crushing but the fact that you
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:45 PM
Nov 22

Are so clear eyed tells me a lot. I'm an animal lover, even wild animals, and I can't fathom the horror and pain you feel. I would not be able to deliver more pain to someone who is dying regardless of how much of a monster he was. But it's your reality, your horror story. I only wish you an end to the pain and sadness. Someday. Whatever gives you peace now is your right. I'm glad you could tell your story here to the people who can offer insight and some semblance of "family."

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
25. Thank you so much. 💙💙 when I went no contact he was still healthy, I have since emailed him
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 07:54 PM
Nov 22

Saying I was sorry for how things worked out and I loved him.

He doesn’t want me back in his life because I defied him by going no contact and confronting him about some of the continued abuse.

When he dies I will listen to this song.

?si=nllv0KOABdkOJlp1

Janeyre

(14 posts)
31. Oh my gosh
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:04 PM
Nov 22

How appropriate. Think I'm going to weep. And I ain't a big crier. May whatever god you worship bless you.
I will be thinking about you for a long time.

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
36. Thank you so much. This is such a healing song for all of us who have difficult relationships with our fathers. 💙💙💙
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:20 PM
Nov 22

niyad

(120,663 posts)
40. Some beings are simply beyond redemption, and being told WE have to keep
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:31 PM
Nov 22

trying to reach them is the root cause of a great deal of the emotional and mental anguish and suffering that is experienced. Every person has the right to walk away without a backward glance from those trying to destroy them.

debm55

(38,425 posts)
57. I agree. When my husband was told he had malignant cancer , I called my mother for support, All I got was "everyone has
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 10:58 PM
Nov 22

die sometime." No cards or calls during the 25 treatments.My whole family is/are toxic. After 69years of verbal , sexual ,
emotional and physical abuse. I have gone no contact. I love them, but I do not love them. Black eyes, called a _hore,babyteeth knocked out, rifle held to my head and told I was going to have my brains blown out. It is hard for few people to understand the hell. As women would we let our SO other to do this to us? No, we would walk. No one deserves the abuse. And women dont need to excuse their abusers even if they are family. If I had stayed I would have been destroyed.more then I was. As many people have been.

niyad

(120,663 posts)
63. I remember a little of how awful your family has been through Rich's
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 12:06 AM
Nov 23

treatments, and how awful they have been to you both. Quite frankly, may they all rot in hell. And may you and your husband find peace and health and love.

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
68. Oh my god I am so sorry for what you went through. Those people are monsters and I am so glad
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 07:36 AM
Nov 23

You went no contact. You did the right thing even though I know it is so hard.

I know we always keep hoping they will change or that there is some small kernel of decency in them. And we get our hearts broken again and again.

I’m just so sorry. You deserved so much better.

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debm55

(38,425 posts)
58. Would you let your SO do this and go back to them? Yes, they are my family . However through many years of Sexual,
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 11:06 PM
Nov 22

physical. emotional and mental abuse can you honestly say you would return to your SO ?

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
38. I always knew he was damaged inside, from my earliest memories, I always felt sorry for him even though I hated to be
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:24 PM
Nov 22

Around him.

Me with my father in Montana when I was four.

I think he didn’t want to be a bad person, but he was.

He will need a lot of healing when he passes.

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LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
39. And me when I was seven and he was home from Vietnam. My mother and older brother in the photo.
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:27 PM
Nov 22

[url=https://postimages.org/][img][/img][/url][url=https://gasstation-nearme.com/]shell gas station around here[/url]

By this age I had been raped regularly for a couple of years already.

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LiberalFighter

(53,518 posts)
42. He made his choices. Wrong choices.
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:34 PM
Nov 22

You can make your own choices. For a better life. Don't have any regrets

Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #42)

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
46. Thank you 💙💙💙. Email from my stepsister in case anyone wants to see first hand.
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:44 PM
Nov 22

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GreenWave

(9,442 posts)
45. Did he ever pick on somebody his own size?
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:43 PM
Nov 22

I would suspect he would finally get his comeuppance.

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
47. Well, he went to war twice, Infantry. Got his front teeth knocked out in a bar fight in his late teens.
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:47 PM
Nov 22

My mother tried to kill him before I was born, but the weapon misfired and then it was taken out of her hands.

She aimed center mass. Montana gal, she knew how to hunt and handle a weapon.

MLAA

(18,669 posts)
50. LiberalLoner, you are amazing. You are so brave! You are a survivor!
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:53 PM
Nov 22

I hope you have peace after all you’ve conquered. 🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
71. Thank you so so much! 💙💙💙. Right now I feel like the luckiest woman on earth,
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 07:49 AM
Nov 23

And every day since I got out of my childhood home, I have thought, oh, man, I am so glad I’m not in that situation anymore.

Life seems pretty easy once you grow up in something like that.

The only hard parts are, sometimes it’s hard not to internalize the abuse and succumb to self-hatred, and sometimes I feel a lot of anxiety about things that could happen, because I know the world can be a very bad place.

Today I was just feeling so much sorrow for my stepsisters, stepmom, and those defenseless pets. I felt like I needed to talk about it and I was so glad for DU and all of you kind people.

I feel guilt too like I should have killed him because then he wouldn’t have hurt anyone else. But I know killing is wrong, it’s just…I feel like I should have stopped him, somehow.

MaryMagdaline

(7,918 posts)
51. I'm so sorry. The worst thing about evil people is that they contaminate our lives.
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:58 PM
Nov 22

I hope you are free of him soon.

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
72. Thank you so much. I am free of him already, but sometimes I wrestle with the feelings, especially when I learn of new
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 07:52 AM
Nov 23

Atrocities he has committed.

I guess I hope god can change him and heal him after he dies because lord knows none of us ever had any influence on him, even though we all tried.

52. Hard hugs to you
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:59 PM
Nov 22

and kick that monster to the curb in whatever way you have to... getting these horrors off your chest, KNOWING he's a vile human being unworthy of forgiveness or understanding.

THAT'S for the beast's Maker to decide when he finally departs this mortal plane.

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
73. Thank you so so much. It was hard today to learn of what my poor stepsisters witnessed, and the animal abuse. It's like
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 07:55 AM
Nov 23

Every new atrocity I hear about, I am shocked. My husband says I should know my father is like that and not be shocked, but I still am, and sickened,

I feel so sorry for all of them.

surfered

(3,725 posts)
56. Sorry. I was posting this to the thread about Musk and government waste. Sorry, cannot explain what happened
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 09:12 PM
Nov 22

dai13sy

(489 posts)
61. Your father will be repaid for all the abuses. I'm sorry you and your siblings had to go through this. Monster is right
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 11:40 PM
Nov 22

LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
74. Thank you so so much. So many of us tried to change him but we couldn't get through to him. The only thing that
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 07:57 AM
Nov 23

Changed him was when he was arrested. After that he was still super abusive to all the women and children in his life, holding loaded guns to their heads etc., but he was careful not to leave evidence.

CountAllVotes

(21,103 posts)
65. A close relative of mine abused animals and other living things
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 12:58 AM
Nov 23

This person is dead now.

That said, I rather recently discovered what forgiveness is.

It is a bittersweet thing to have to learn no matter when in life.

It provides you with a form of freedom.

I hope you can find it some day.

Hang-in there



LiberalLoner

(10,221 posts)
75. I forgave, really, at a very young age because I knew instinctively he was so damaged. I'm upset today because
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 08:05 AM
Nov 23

I learned my stepsisters and innocent animals suffered terribly, and I feel sorrow about that and some self-blame wishing I could have saved them from him.

I really tried. I told their Mom again and again, you must leave him, he’s not going to change, you must get yourself and your children away from him. But she wasn’t ready to hear what I had to say, and told me I was a bad daughter for saying such things.

No, it’s not that I haven’t forgiven. It’s that I’m still working through a lot of feelings, especially when I learn of atrocities I had not heard of before. It hits me hard when I hear of new stuff.

Neither here nor there, you guys remember the “we had to destroy the village in order to save it?” That was not my father in the news clip saying that, but my father was basically responsible for that happening. As an S-3 in the 9th Inf Div he advised the generals making the decisions and that’s what he recommended and that’s what they ordered.

So my dad was the, “we had to destroy the village in order to save it” guy and maybe that more than anything else tells you all you need to know.

HeartsCanHope

(755 posts)
79. I am so sorry for all you and your family members went through because of your father.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 09:24 AM
Nov 23

I am so glad you survived his abuse. All he has done is on him, not on you. To me forgiveness is not a right--it is a gift--even if someone has asked you for it. Unless he is willing to own his guilt and make amends, in my opinion, he deserves nothing.
I do ask you to not blame yourself, however. You were not in any way responsible for his actions, especially since you didn't know what had happened to those poor animals.
You will be in my thoughts. Many hugs to you, my friend.

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