Regarding the confederate flag

[frankly_fedup2]

I have a question that some of you may know. Has there ever been a symbol or emblem or anything from any part of our history, good or bad, ever been banned from government property? I know the confederate flag isn't being banned from private use, but even flag companies are discontinuing production of it. With that, how does a private citizen purchase one? Also, are they discontinuing the German flag production of the SS? The confederate flag is a part of our history, a bad history. However what is next? Statues of Robert E. Lee. Being removed? Are we trying to rewrite history. I don't believe The flag companies have discontinued production of the Nazi Flag. Both are flags of hate and suffering, but should they disappear? They are part of history. What's next, book burning? Also, some of you may assume I'm racist but I'm not. I'm just trying to understand.

[luvspeas]

1. There's a little thing called google...

perhaps you have heard of it.

What's your point? The companies that decided not to sell confederate flag merch did so voluntarily. there's no law. They can burn all the books they want so long as they own them.

Flying the flag of a group of rebels who fought my country and lost is treason and I don't want it on government funded property.

[frankly_fedup2]

2. Thanks . . .

For the sarcasm and not answering my initial question.

[hlthe2b]

3. Just because major (responsible) flag manufacturers won't make these flags hardly means

they will not be available. There is always a niche market for such crap.... I'm sure you would only have to go to your local internet hate sites--kkk, stormfront and others to find ads for where to purchase white supremist, Nazi and similar paraphernalia, including the confederate flag. And, there will be reputable non-public sources that make those flags for museums wishing only to preserve history.

[frankly_fedup2]

10. Why is it I question why

And everyone automatically thinks I'm racist and want to buy a flag? That's insane.

[luvspeas]

13. AND BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE! TROLL...N/T

[luvspeas]

7. thanks for being lazy and having and agenda n/t

[frankly_fedup2]

11. And my agenda from

Asking some questions would be????

[luvspeas]

12. please. these are not just questions. what are you 5?

I know the confederate flag isn't being banned from private use, but even flag companies are discontinuing production of it. With that, how does a private citizen purchase one?

Also, are they discontinuing the German flag production of the SS?

The confederate flag is a part of our history, a bad history. However what is next? Statues of Robert E. Lee. Being removed?

Are we trying to rewrite history. I don't believe The flag companies have discontinued production of the Nazi Flag. Both are flags of hate and suffering, but should they disappear? They are part of history. What's next, book burning? Also, some of you may assume I'm racist but I'm not. I'm just trying to understand.

I'm not assuming you are racist but I am assuming you have an agenda. I'm quite certain you will be able to find a confederate flag somewhere. China maybe? Why do you ask what's next?

Again, just google some of your questions and you will find the answers. No need to ask her UNLESS you want to be divisive and create a discussion about freedom of speech so that you can continue to "ask questions" to promote your point of view which is obvious. Not gonna play that game with you.

[frankly_fedup2]

16. I meant nothing

Divisive in my post. I was just asking questions and wondered about opinions. I honestly did not feel I would be attacked for asking questions. We must not be allowed to ask questions regarding anything about racism without being attacked, called a racist and told I just want to cause trouble like a troll. These replies say a lot for a part of DU.

[luvspeas]

17. you are the only person that called you a racist dude... quit trying to stir up excrement.

I read every post on here. no one called you a racist.

[frankly_fedup2]

18. It has been strongly

implied. This has turned into a complete joke. All you all have done is attack me for asking a question, which no one could accurately answer. Hope you have gotten all your aggression out on this post. Geez, now I know even here we are limited in what is PC and what is not. I joined this site in 2001 and have never been attacked like this. Maybe that was why I left years ago, however, I am back to speak my opinion and ask questions and nobody will stop me no matter how self-righteous they claim to be. It seems all you all want is drama. I hope that is not all DU is now, a bunch of drama.

[luvspeas]

19. so nobody has bothered to tell you the truth until now...

Strongly implied is a gift. Flat out accusations are way more difficult.

Just tell the truth next time.

Plus, I don't mind PC at all. In fact if you want to call me the PC avenger I will gladly make an outfit. It would be something leotardy and likely purple. With wings. I love wings. Oh! and also I would have a butt that lit up like a lightning bug. I am loving those this summer. How the hell do they do that? I guess I could google it.

[hlthe2b]

4. As to your orignal question, given there is that small constitutional matter of separation of church

and state, the 10 commandments and other religious paraphernalia are not allowed to be displayed on government properties, Perhaps you have heard of similar "emblems" and "symbols" that fall under that category?

[frankly_fedup2]

8. I'm talking about American History

Not World history. Christianity has been around a lot longer then the USA.

[hlthe2b]

15. You would do well to read a little history and not from the "bible"

[hlthe2b]

20. It is clear you don't know the actual history of this specific flag or are ignoring it. Start here:

Last edited Wed Jul 1, 2015, 02:51 PM - Edit history (2)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/24/us/confederate-flag-myths-facts/

...
While it wasn't the Confederate states' official flag, the battle flag was flown by several Confederate Army units. The most notable among them was Gen. Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia.

And even Lee distanced himself from divisive symbols of a Civil War that his side lost.

"I think it wiser moreover not to keep open the sores of war," he wrote in a letter, declining an invitation by the Gettysburg Battlefield Memorial Association.

There were no flags flown at his funeral, Confederate or otherwise.
--snip--snip--
The rebel flag's resurgence came long after the Civil War

After the Civil War ended, the battle flag turned up here and there only occasionally -- at events to commemorate fallen soldiers.

So, when did the flag explode into prominence? It was during the struggle for civil rights for black Americans, in the middle of the 20th century.

The first burst may have been in 1948. South Carolina politician Strom Thurmond ran for president under the newly founded States Rights Democratic Party, also known as the Dixiecrats. The party's purpose was clear: "We stand for the segregation of the races," said Article 4 of its platform.

Why the Confederate flag still flies

At campaign stops, fans greeted Thurmond with American flags, state flags -- and Confederate battle flags.

But desegregation progressed.

As it passed milestones like the Supreme Court ruling on Brown vs. Board of Education, which gave black American children access to all schools, the Confederate battle flag popped up more and more.

It is not southern heritage being commemorated with flying this flag, it is RACIST heritage. Educate yourself ff2 because on DU we are ALL frankly fed up with those who would apologize/defend such symbols.

That said, I absolutely believe that museums, cycloramas, battlefield parks and other areas with historical and educational purpose should remain-- unquestionably. Even Atlanta's carving of Davis, Lee and Jackson on Stone Mountain Park (now privately owned) has some sense of educational purpose--though I'd surely not mind if they "toned down" just a bit. It is first and foremost a recreational area and a scenic park and that should certainly be celebrated, even while they should note the troubled history of its existence as well, including its ugly past as a KKK destination site.

[procon]

5. Religious symbols are prohibited on public propery. nt

[GeorgeGist]

6. Here you go ...

http://www.americanflags.com/cofl1.html

[frankly_fedup2]

9. No need for the

URL. I have no desire to buy one and yes I see you can still purchase it. Obviously questioning anything about the confederate flag must make me racist. Please don't be narrow minded, which would make you racist!

[luvspeas]

14. AND THERE IT GOES AGAIN! BOOM! N/T

[NathanSharp]

21. Its a decision from private companies not law and removal from a capitol building doesn't mean a ban

I suppose they should remove statues of Lee if its on public property and if a sizable number of people take offense in it. After all, confederate symbolism is very divisive, in that they did split the country in half for a while. It celebrates an act of treason against the United States, and I can understand removing these symbols from public property. Some people act as if its history only relates to Dukes of Hazzard, but it is tied to the Civil war and an attempt to preserve a socioeconomic structure that revolved heavily around slavery.

[NathanSharp]

22. Just because Hanes underwear isn't flown over congress doesn't mean there's a ban on underwear.

Just because a state building doesn't display an emblem doesn't mean theres a ban against it. Theres a million things they could fly on state property (but don't) that are perfectly legal to purchase and own. The confederate flag are now among these other items.