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Marthe48

(19,009 posts)
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 04:57 PM Aug 2023

Any watch collectors?

I had a couple of pocket watches I thought I'd put in the booth. The gold watch is missing the crystal and the second hand, but is running. I started to check to see what kind of watch it is and I'm stuck. I got the back open and the works are marked The Joseph Welf and Sons Co. Cleveland, Ohio, number stamped on the works: 2344133, 17 jewels. I can't find much information. I found a pocket watch database, but had no luck there. Does anyone know where else I can look? Thank you I think it might be a pretty good watch, even if it's not complete. The other watch is a Wesclox Scotty, and it really is in pieces.

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Any watch collectors? (Original Post) Marthe48 Aug 2023 OP
Here's some old posts bucolic_frolic Aug 2023 #1
Thanks! Marthe48 Aug 2023 #2
Really need a picture of the workings. Boxerfan Aug 2023 #3
I put the pictures I took on Imgur Marthe48 Aug 2023 #4
Best way to judge actual value, multigraincracker Aug 2023 #5
Good for you! Marthe48 Aug 2023 #6
It does have a low production # Boxerfan Aug 2023 #7
I saw watch sizes Marthe48 Aug 2023 #8
Definitely a 12s Boxerfan Aug 2023 #9
this price guide has that brand listed timms139 Feb 2024 #10
Thanks! Marthe48 Feb 2024 #11

bucolic_frolic

(46,975 posts)
1. Here's some old posts
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 05:06 PM
Aug 2023
https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1086047761/m/1323964557?

https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/welf-bros-pocket-watch.39546/

Watches and jewelry value can vary widely. If gold spikes to $2,4,6,8k per ounce, people sell them for scrap - gold content. I don't know how much collectible value there is at any given point.

Boxerfan

(2,533 posts)
3. Really need a picture of the workings.
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 05:25 PM
Aug 2023

Or the movement.

It sounds like a private label watch. Often sold with the retailers name on the dial but no connection to the actual watch manufacturer.

The working / watch value is likely minimal-less than $100.00-UNLESS the case is gold. Then that is the value. The Scotty could be sold for parts but not likely as $10.00 would be a lot for that.

Pics if possible.

Marthe48

(19,009 posts)
4. I put the pictures I took on Imgur
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 05:44 PM
Aug 2023

https://imgur.com/gallery/Xv9wlSP

I put $1 on the Scotty--downsizing, ruthlessly
I read the links that BucolicFrolic posted and checked to see if the serial number on the works matches the Illinois works. I think I found it!
https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/illinois/2344133

Thanks for all of your information.

multigraincracker

(34,071 posts)
5. Best way to judge actual value,
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 05:50 PM
Aug 2023

list it on eBay.

I bought a wristwatch at a yard sale for a buck. They were listed on eBay from $250 to $1,400. We pour on eBay for, buy it now for $400 and it sold the first day. Everyone was happy.

Marthe48

(19,009 posts)
6. Good for you!
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 05:57 PM
Aug 2023

I might hang on to the gold watch awhile. I thought it would be a common pocket watch, but just like other things we have, it's an oddball. I don't even know where we got it. Not a family heirloom.

Boxerfan

(2,533 posts)
7. It does have a low production #
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 07:30 PM
Aug 2023

But that would really only affect value on a complete/ mint example.

Also being a 12s makes it less valued than a railroad watch with similar #'s.

All in I'd say $60-80. on E-bay. The dial is nice & it could be restored but it still would struggle to get past $100.0 (IMHO)

Not solid gold and the monograms & wear work against it. And competent service for old watches is HTF & costly meaning it probably wouldn't pay to restore unless it did have sentimental or family value.

Marthe48

(19,009 posts)
8. I saw watch sizes
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 08:08 PM
Aug 2023

and looked at the explanation on The Pocket Watch Database. More details I must go back and try to understand. But is that serial number definitely a 12 size watch?

You sound experienced in watches. Thanks for all of the information

Boxerfan

(2,533 posts)
9. Definitely a 12s
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 08:55 PM
Aug 2023

Very good watches & capable of excellent timekeeping.

But they did play the market like Mattel does now. Lots of variants & short runs to keep the sales going. Illinois sold the watches to the jeweler listed on the dial .

Not a lottery winner but a nice old watch. Railroad adjusted 16s / 18s will always do better. 12s were more of a gents watch than a working timepiece.

Cheers.

Marthe48

(19,009 posts)
11. Thanks!
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 07:46 AM
Feb 2024

I'll check that and see what it says. It's been awhile, and I put the watch somewhere safe

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