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Jilly_in_VA

(10,846 posts)
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 06:54 PM Oct 2022

Florida Dads Accused Of Shooting Each Other's Daughters In Road Rage Incident

Two Florida men are each facing attempted murder charges after they allegedly shot at each other’s daughters during a road rage incident Saturday night.

William Joseph Hale, 35, and Frank Gilliard Allison, 43, were both arrested after a “cat and mouse” high-speed chase on Highway 1 in Nassau County, Florida.

The two men began arguing with each other on the road while driving aggressively and brake checking each other, according to Jacksonville radio station WOKV.

Things got so tense, a witness told Nassau County Sheriff’s deputies that “he knew something bad was going to happen.”

“They were both speeding and driving recklessly northbound in Jacksonville and then into Nassau County on U.S. 1, brake checking and trying to cut each other off,” Nassau County Sheriff Bill Leeper told Newsweek. “They obviously didn’t like the way the other one was driving so they were both acting like idiots.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/frank-gilliard-allison-william-joseph-hale-florida-road-rage_n_6346dc4fe4b03e8038cf9410

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Florida Dads Accused Of Shooting Each Other's Daughters In Road Rage Incident (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Oct 2022 OP
I wonder how the mothers react Sanity Claws Oct 2022 #1
I believe blueknight73 Oct 2022 #2
Once again, guns making everyone safer. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2022 #3
Note a lot worse d_r Oct 2022 #4
How the hell is bail appropriate?? drray23 Oct 2022 #5
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Oct 2022 #6

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,678 posts)
3. Once again, guns making everyone safer.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 07:44 PM
Oct 2022

All four involved seem to have behaved like idiots,

according to the article. Not that such behavior justifies the shooting. Makes you wonder what would have happened if they didn't both have guns.


And really, you don't have to trash everyone in Florida. Stupid things like this happen in pretty much every state. Most such incidents go unreported.

drray23

(7,946 posts)
5. How the hell is bail appropriate??
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:13 PM
Oct 2022
Allison and Hale were booked into the Nassau County Jail on charges of felony attempted murder. Officers concluded in each of the arrest reports their “act was imminently dangerous and demonstrated a depraved mind without regard for human life.”

Both men are out on bail.

Sancho

(9,100 posts)
6. People Control, Not Gun Control
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:28 PM
Oct 2022

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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