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Zorro

(16,269 posts)
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 05:30 PM Apr 2023

12-year-old, 2 teens accused of fatal Florida shooting of 3 other teens

OCALA — A teenager and a 12-year-old have been charged in the deaths of three teens whose bodies were found along a Florida roadside and in the trunk of a partially-submerged vehicle, authorities said Friday. Another teen is being sought.

Law enforcement officials were “shocked” by the young ages of the victims and alleged killers, Marion County Sheriff Billy Woods said at a news conference. The older suspect in custody is 17, and police are still searching for a 16-year-old.

The two suspects in custody are charged with first-degree murder. The state attorney’s office is reviewing the case to determine whether the suspects will be charged as adults. The Associated Press does not publish the names of juveniles unless they have been charged with adult crimes.

The shooting suspects and victims were all in a vehicle belonging to 16-year-old victim Layla Silvernail when the killings occurred, Woods said. Authorities have not released the names of the other two victims, a 16-year-old girl and a 17-year-old boy. Woods said the three who died were in the vehicle of their own free will.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/04/07/florida-teen-killed-arrest-suspect-fatal-shooting-marion-county/

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12-year-old, 2 teens accused of fatal Florida shooting of 3 other teens (Original Post) Zorro Apr 2023 OP
Again, great restraint will be needed from now on, Baked Potato Apr 2023 #1
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Apr 2023 #2
Edited: That all sounds good, but who will pay for it? Baked Potato Apr 2023 #3
No one with a license would do this... Phoenix61 Apr 2023 #4

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
1. Again, great restraint will be needed from now on,
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 06:18 PM
Apr 2023

with an effort to not form lasting prejudices based on current circumstances.

These are times in which all sides and motives should be scrutinized with an open mind and complete deference applied across the board.

IMO.

Sancho

(9,100 posts)
2. People Control, Not Gun Control
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 07:40 PM
Apr 2023

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
3. Edited: That all sounds good, but who will pay for it?
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 09:31 PM
Apr 2023

Last edited Sat Apr 8, 2023, 04:46 PM - Edit history (2)

Training, insurance, licenses, who will pay?

Databases must be accurate.

What u say sounds good, but is not practical.

(Edited to be more respectful to a fellow DU member.)

I appreciate your passion about guns and how to be a more responsible people.


Phoenix61

(17,592 posts)
4. No one with a license would do this...
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 02:54 AM
Apr 2023

“and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession.”

What does “appropriate for gun possession” even mean?

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