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Related: About this forumFlorida Chief Justice Pushes Fetal Personhood At Argument For Abortion Amendment
TPMDuring Wednesdays arguments over the language of a proposed ballot initiative to protect abortion rights, Florida Supreme Court Chief Justice Carlos Muñiz kept returning to a well neither side had briefed.
It talks about all natural persons are equal before the law and have unalienable rights I dont know that I could affirmatively say that the term natural person, as a matter of just ordinary meaning, doesnt include the unborn, Muñiz said. We certainly talk about the unborn that way.
Muñiz was quoting from one of the earliest passages in Floridas constitution that says that all natural persons are equal before the law and have inalienable rights, among which are the right to enjoy and defend life and liberty, to pursue happiness, to be rewarded for industry, and to acquire, possess and protect property. If this passage applied to the unborn or in non-anti-abortion political speak, embryos and fetuses abortion at every stage would be murder. This is a state-level version of fetal personhood, the anti-abortion white whale.
While Muñiz was eager to promote his radical interpretation of the state constitution, Florida, even under its hard-right regime, does not presently embrace it. The state currently has a 15-week abortion ban, with a six-week one tangled up in court. If the state was operating under his preferred approach, abortion would likely be banned completely.
Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody (R) had asked for the state Supreme Court to issue an advisory opinion on whether the text of the proposed ballot initiative titled Amendment to Limit Government Interference with Abortion was misleading or contained multiple subjects. The proposed amendment states that no law shall prohibit, penalize, delay, or restrict abortion before viability or when necessary to protect the patients health.
It talks about all natural persons are equal before the law and have unalienable rights I dont know that I could affirmatively say that the term natural person, as a matter of just ordinary meaning, doesnt include the unborn, Muñiz said. We certainly talk about the unborn that way.
Muñiz was quoting from one of the earliest passages in Floridas constitution that says that all natural persons are equal before the law and have inalienable rights, among which are the right to enjoy and defend life and liberty, to pursue happiness, to be rewarded for industry, and to acquire, possess and protect property. If this passage applied to the unborn or in non-anti-abortion political speak, embryos and fetuses abortion at every stage would be murder. This is a state-level version of fetal personhood, the anti-abortion white whale.
While Muñiz was eager to promote his radical interpretation of the state constitution, Florida, even under its hard-right regime, does not presently embrace it. The state currently has a 15-week abortion ban, with a six-week one tangled up in court. If the state was operating under his preferred approach, abortion would likely be banned completely.
Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody (R) had asked for the state Supreme Court to issue an advisory opinion on whether the text of the proposed ballot initiative titled Amendment to Limit Government Interference with Abortion was misleading or contained multiple subjects. The proposed amendment states that no law shall prohibit, penalize, delay, or restrict abortion before viability or when necessary to protect the patients health.
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Florida Chief Justice Pushes Fetal Personhood At Argument For Abortion Amendment (Original Post)
In It to Win It
Feb 2024
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bucolic_frolic
(47,003 posts)1. Absurd. Fetuses cannot "pursue happiness, to be rewarded for industry, and to acquire, possess and protect property."
In It to Win It
(9,619 posts)3. Justice Sasso, DeSantis' newest recruit, said
this could "shift policymaking to an expert class of doctors that will determine the conditions under which people can end life..."
She sounds like a neutral arbiter
voris820
(26 posts)2. Rights protect you from the government.
Rights are freedom. This is something the chief justice does not understand.
Maraya1969
(22,997 posts)4. It that is the case then the father should have to pay child support from the time of conception.
Full Stop.