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salimbag

(173 posts)
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 12:53 PM Apr 2015

Any thoughts on the TMT?

Last edited Fri Apr 17, 2015, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)

After seven years of due process, the initial construction phase of the TMT (thirty meter telescope) is being delayed by protests. Activists are blocking the access road, claiming to be "protectors" of the mountain, Mauna Kea. There are already thirteen telescopes there. Most of the protests center around the "sacred" nature of the area. Native Hawaiians are on both sides of this issue, with some stressing the science of discovery that allowed Hawaiians to be here in the first place, and others claiming that cultural and spiritual practices are more important.
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/hundreds-turn-out-oppose-tmt

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Any thoughts on the TMT? (Original Post) salimbag Apr 2015 OP
The observatory has been active on the summit since the 1960's longship Apr 2015 #1
This is a new project salimbag Apr 2015 #2
I am aware of the issues here. longship Apr 2015 #4
we are currently witnessing the triumph of superstion and ignorance... mike_c Apr 2015 #3
Good opinion in West Hawaii Today salimbag Apr 2015 #5

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. The observatory has been active on the summit since the 1960's
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:09 PM
Apr 2015

Anyway, it is above 4,000 meters altitude, meaning that it is not hospitable to much of anything, but happens to be the best location for visual astronomy in the northern hemisphere, bar none.

There are no rational arguments against it being there. None whatsoever.

salimbag

(173 posts)
2. This is a new project
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:17 PM
Apr 2015

The existing telescopes have been there for many years, there are thirteen different units, some of which are inactive. The TMT is a new development, just approved after a lengthy process, and construction is being blocked.

longship

(40,416 posts)
4. I am aware of the issues here.
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 02:08 PM
Apr 2015

And the opposition to this project is bollocks.

The TMT is to be built on the existing observatory grounds which were set aside for this very use decades ago.

Note the altitude there, 4,205 meters (about 13,800 feet). Of course, workers there have to be acclimated to the 40% of sea level atmospheric pressure there. And of course, oxygen is available on site for those who get faint. It is an environment useful for little else but world class astronomy which is why the observatory is located there in the first place. And note that no other site in the northern hemisphere comes close to the Mauna Kea summit for visual astronomy. None!

To build the TMT anywhere else would be negligent. Mauna Kea is where this telescope belongs.

Regards

mike_c

(36,340 posts)
3. we are currently witnessing the triumph of superstion and ignorance...
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:40 PM
Apr 2015

...over science and knowledge. That's what I think. Build the telescope!

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