Ohio Doctors are speaking hard truths

[irisblue]

https://www.statenews.org/post/ohio-doctors-dealing-record-hospitalizations-covid-deniers-and-fears-future

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snip-"Medical professionals are telling terrible stories of what they're seeing, including in Franklin County, the first county in the state, to go to the highest alert level purple.

“I have seen illness and death on a scale that I have never seen in my career. I have admitted families. I've had to put spouses next to each other while one or both die,” said Dr. George Onderko, a nocturnist at Ohio State University's Wexner Medical Center, specializing in overnight care.

snip-"Onderko said he's been confronted by COVID patients who say they can't have the disease because it doesn't exist.

“Every night, every night we deal with folks who don't believe they have COVID. It doesn't matter if you don't believe in COVID because it believes in you,” Onderko said.


How stupid and deliberately ignorant trumpers are

[gab13by13]

1. Hmm, I saw quite a few people,

sitting in the stands watching the Browns lose. I also notice that there is no one in the stands at college football stadiums in Pa. but head south and there are plenty watching the games.

[irisblue]

2. Years and years of social damage because of maskholes are ahead of our culture

[Dustlawyer]

21. I like "mask holes". We have been calling them "M&M's.

Short for Maskless M’fers.

[CatMor]

10. I was surprised to see people in the stands for that game...

it made me angry because it is not necessary. We can not get a grip on Covid-19 if things like that keep happening. I saw a college game in the south with 17,000 fans in the stands with no social distancing and many not wearing masks.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

3. Oh, dear lord.

If you don't think the disease exists, then go home and die there.

There are going to be many more such after the vaccines are widely distributed. People won't understand that they need two doses. They won't understand that even after the second dose they aren't immune. Oh, and they really won't understand that the vaccine doesn't make them immune, but makes them get a slightly less terrible version of the disease.

And honestly, that last makes me wonder why this is considered a vaccine. Let's think. Smallpox vaccine. Makes you immune. DPT. Diphtheria, Pertussis (otherwise known as whooping cough), Tetanus. Makes you immune. Polio vaccine, makes you immune. MMR. Measles, mumps, rubella (German measles), makes you immune.

But this vaccine only makes you get a less severe version of the disease? Am I the only person out there who thinks this is somewhat less than advertised?

[Ligyron]

8. Yikes, I didn't know that.

Like you said, an actual vaccine should make one immune to whatever it claims to protect against. If that's not the case, a lot of people are going to be in for a nasty surprise. Even if warned, it will go in one ear, out the other or right over some folk's head.

I'm sure better versions of actual vaccines are coming at some point though.

[Blues Heron]

9. I'm not sure that last part is accurate

they waited until 100 people from the test group - both vaccinated and unvaccinated- got sick, then they checked what group they were in - the envelope please- 95 of the sick people were in the UNvaccinated group, only 5 in the vaccinated. Further, no one who had the vaccine went on to get the severe version.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

12. I had not seen that particular thing.

Everything I've seen about the current vaccine says that the vaccinated people don't get quite as sick as the unvaccinated ones. And even your description has people still getting sick, just not as sick as unvaccinated people. Which is somewhat better than getting really, really sick, but is hardly what is normally what a vaccine does, which is to keep you from getting sick at all. I'm thinking the smallpox vaccine, the MMR, the DPT. Heck, even the flu vaccine, as crappy as it is, is better than this.

[Blues Heron]

13. With the Flu shot you can still get sick too

These numbers are better than the flu vaccine. That one has a lower efficacy. Fauci is over the moon with the greater than 90 percent efficacy.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

16. Ahh, I'm reminded of why I don't ever get a flu shot.

I've gotten the flu at various times, including the Asian flu in 1957. The last time I got flu was in the early or mid 1970s, and in all honesty, I feel very immune to influenza.

I would never discourage someone else from getting a flu shot.

I wear a mask anywhere I'm inside a store.

[Blues Heron]

18. I'd get one if I were you

You may have just been lucky all these years, PLUS yr immune system can weaken over time. This is no time to rely on past experience vis a vis getting sick! And here's the kicker - there may be a generalized protective effect just from getting a vaccine in that it revs up the immune system.

[flibbitygiblets]

27. ☝🏼This

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

31. I may eventually start getting the flu shot.

Meanwhile, I'm healthier than most people I know who are twenty or thirty years younger. I am constantly surprised at how often others get sick.

I keep on remembering that in 1918, the main reason older people didn't get that nasty flu was there'd been an outbreak of a very similar one some 50 years earlier, meaning the older people had either gotten it back then and recovered, or were simply very resistant to it.

[Cosmocat]

29. Yeah, I went decades without getting the flu shot

and still was getting it ...

I also am really susceptible to colds.

Now, otherwise I am a really healthy person.

I think everyone just has different bodies.

Good on you if you seem to duck these things.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

32. I get a cold maybe once every three or four years at this point in my life.

Everyone should be as healthy as I am.

[Cosmocat]

34. Shit

Ive had three colds since the start of October, with being reasonably careful w covid. I normally not this bad with it, but I friggen done with winter already.

[lildDemz]

30. Anecdotal only

I get flu shots most years. Had flu once in last 25 years. On its own, proving nothing. And I avoid a limited perspective.

[luvtheGWN]

25. The pfizer and Moderna vaccines require 2 doses.

After the first dose, you may start feeling some symptoms, but that is because you are developing antibodies which will then recognize the virus as an invader. It's been stated that if you ONLY get one dose, and you develop Covid because you've been infected by someone else, you will likely suffer less because of the first dose.

But you are supposed to get a second dose within a certain time period, and that is when it is 94-95% effective in preventing an infection.

We are advised to continue mask-wearing and social distancing even after receiving the vaccine -- until at least next fall.

The US really needs a comprehensive communications plan. When I watch CNN I see umpteen Medicare enrolment plan adverts. Well, your HHS needs to do the same for the Covid vaccine.

[JT45242]

22. Chicken pox is similar -- lesser not prevent

The chicken pox vaccine does not keep you from getting chicken pox but makes it much less severe. This was one of the arguments over whether or not to bother with it for my first son. I had chicken pox when I was a kid -- I thought no big deal. But then the pediatrician presented the statistics of how many complications occur with chicken pox and how that risk is greatly lowered with the vaccine, so we had both our kids vaccinated for it.

My only concern with this one is that to paraphrase SNL "Which of the secondary effects -- heart damage, neurological problems, potential clots, kidney damage, etc. can you still get with the vaccine?" : We don't know dis.

But -- hopefully, this vaccine will buy society time to figure out how to deal with the many, many complications of this virus that we do not understand. The real goal as I see it is to stretch this out as long as possible so that hospital's do not become overwhelmed and researchers have time to figure out treatments for the secondary effects of Covid.

I will be toward the end of the line to get the vaccine, but assuming there are not major side effects that popup when they mass distribute I fully anticipate getting this. The shingles vaccine knocked me on my butt for 2 days, but that was a small price to pay to avoid shingles. I would take the same side effect from the Covid vaccine without much gripe.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

33. Did not know that about the chicken pox vaccine.

I had it, and my sons also did. They came along just before that vaccine.

[NEOBuckeye]

4. Ohio is a pretty fucked-up state these days

Ignorance is king here, and the Republican Party has a virtual chokehold on our state politics.

Hard to believe, we were once one of the most productive, better educated places in the US.

[Ohiogal]

6. Biden won around 45% of the vote in Ohio

So there definitely are SOME reasonably intelligent people here. 53% went for the dumpster, however. It does seem that Ohio is ever so consistently sinking down into the GOP quick sand,

[OnionPatch]

17. I tried to tell my kids that Ohio used to be progressive. They laughed.

It has such a rich abolitionist history and had one of the first colleges to admit women and AAs. Even much later when I was young it was considered to have some of the best schools in America and we felt proud that our state wasn't a "backwater" like some of the states (which will remain unnamed, lol) that surrounded us.

I haven't lived there for a long time but I return often. Thankfully, most of my family there are solidly progressive but so many of my old friends and neighbors have been sucked into the rightwing bubble. I used to think I'd move back there when I retire but no way. It breaks my heart.

[appalachiablue]

24. Marietta College, founded 1787 liberal arts; Oberlin College

first to accept black people and also women as students in the 1830s; Ohio was a central gathering point for the Civil Rights freedom riders of the early 1960s. The Buckeye State has a solid liberal and progressive history, esp. in terms of higher education.

When young I knew kids who went to Oberlin and others from Ohio State and Ohio Univ. who visited Marshall and WVU. My aunts studied music at the Cincinnati Conservatory.

Recent Red Spread trend, from your hillbilly neighbors like me plus that thing called globalization, outsourcing, deindustrialization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberlin_College

[niyad]

19. I clearly need more caffeine. As I looked at this post, I saw "Rasputin party" . Strange mash-up.

[JT45242]

23. The same could be said for Iowa

Before I moved to Iowa from Ohio, I was impressed by how well educated Iowa seemed to be with high achieving schools that were well funded.

After the Branstadt and Covid Kimmy years, the schools are wasting away from lack of funding, the Republican legislature is more interested in passing unconstitutional abortion bans than funding schools, fixing bridges, or cleaning up water.

Between the general Republican steal from poor and middle class to give to the rich and the sacrosanct protection of farmers from the results of their pollution ( 3 times more pigs than people in Iowa and no laws regulating pork farm feces runoff), this state is in a downward spiral. Not only did they vote for tRump, but they re-elected Joni Ernst who had a 40% approval rating and has voted against both wind power (Iowa's number one non-farming product) and ethanol (Iowa's #1 farming product). Literally, they voted for someone who is trying to kill the two largest employment sectors in the state.

[Ohiogal]

5. The denial and delusion is breathtaking

Just this past weekend a small protest near me of Covidiots screaming about being forced to wear masks and “Our Governor Cancelled Christmas “!

I would like to drive them all to St. Elizabeth hospital in Boardman where apparently there are no ICU beds available... tell them go inside and volunteer for a day and don’t wear your mask since you think this is all a hoax.... I wish there was a vaccination for stupid and selfish!

[lonely bird]

15. Yes, it is breathtaking

I’m in Portage County which is deep red. I see masks on people but not over their noses. Saw a woman in Target with a mask not even covering her mouth cussing on her phone.

Ohio has been so gerrymandered it is ridiculous.

Even after Dewine caved to these shitheads there were Republicans in the state legislature that want to impeach him.

[bucolic_frolic]

7. I will give them this

Denial is part of the process of dying for some people. It gives them comfort to know it's not really happening even though it is. And I'm sure people with COVID are not thinking the clearest thoughts of their lives.

[Roc2020]

11. Call it what it is, it's Deception.

The blame is shared between Trump and decades of right wing news plus the added gasoline of social media. Sad.

[AwakeAtLast]

14. Darwin. n/t

[world wide wally]

20. When these patients say they don't believe there is Covid... The health care workers

should respond by saying, "Let me guess. You voted for Trump"

[Dukkha]

26. Another Sagan prediction come true

[mtngirl47]

28. My Ohio sister said....

"We all wear masks and the numbers are climbing anyway...so why wear masks?"

I point out all the family events that she has been holding with her millennial children and my 85 year old parents and her mother-in-law....this is how it spreads and kills people. Not us she insists.

Willful ignorance? Brainwashed by Fox and Trump?

300,000 people. Fuck.

[Blue Owl]

35. K&R for visibility