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Duncanpup

(13,689 posts)
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 05:56 AM Oct 2022

So my wife pointed out a video of mastriaNO

On real American voice saying that Philadelphia hospital and Josh Shapiro are kidnapping children and performing transgender procedures on them.

I can’t post from my I phone yet these QLOONS believe this shit , so in closing this explains the email I received from my Qloon christofascist uncle yesterday that I read this morning.

These people vote against their best interests in voting republican because they believe this .Qloons will be the cause of our republic destruction in voting republican ,the christofascist churches are nothing more than political INDOC centers they despise everything Christ stood for.

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So my wife pointed out a video of mastriaNO (Original Post) Duncanpup Oct 2022 OP
I saw the video, gab13by13 Oct 2022 #1
Yes. Duncanpup Oct 2022 #2
It's some kind of mass psychosis bucolic_frolic Oct 2022 #3
I like this idea a lot jmbar2 Oct 2022 #4
Gaslight and destabilize the narcissists with cognitive distortions to melt their sense of reality bucolic_frolic Oct 2022 #5
I've thought of this a lot. The only problem is we don't have well-funded troll farms n/t rainin Oct 2022 #7
Ask them to answer double-barrel questions that defy answer bucolic_frolic Oct 2022 #8
I love how you think. Whenever this has been done, it's been an organized effort backed by rainin Oct 2022 #16
Double-barrel just means two sided - two questions paired together bucolic_frolic Oct 2022 #19
Kordan Klepper is a pro at it. multigraincracker Oct 2022 #13
No, we need to shut down the sources of hate disinformation vlyons Oct 2022 #18
This! FakeNoose Oct 2022 #20
Without a vision the people perish..or see conspiracies everywhere delisen Oct 2022 #6
Very true. An overall vision or theme that people can relate to. wnylib Oct 2022 #9
Pennsylvanian here, specifically Butler County resident Joe Cool Oct 2022 #12
Lebanon county here, seeing no signs here at all. Butterflylady Oct 2022 #15
Good to know. wnylib Oct 2022 #17
Its had an effect Cosmocat Oct 2022 #21
Well, I hope that Fetterman and Shapiro can wnylib Oct 2022 #23
Can the Philadelphia Childrens Hospital sue for defamation? halfulglas Oct 2022 #10
Corporations are people, my friend. gab13by13 Oct 2022 #11
I think that sometimes they know it is BS PatSeg Oct 2022 #14
spot on Cosmocat Oct 2022 #22

gab13by13

(25,267 posts)
1. I saw the video,
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 06:05 AM
Oct 2022

Mastriano isn't just sent by God to lead an army against the evil Democrats, he is a true QAnon believer.

bucolic_frolic

(47,005 posts)
3. It's some kind of mass psychosis
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 06:14 AM
Oct 2022

QPeople prefer hope and fantasy in lieu of reality and responsibility. Just ignore that their hope is they aren't crazy, and they need others to vent their own hatred, but it's a closed loop.

Once you accept and believe in one fantasy, the next one is easier to believe. We need to find a way to sell something to these people. Like bananas at $99 each cure cancer, or will make the libs implode. They're ripe for the pickin'.

jmbar2

(6,105 posts)
4. I like this idea a lot
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 07:24 AM
Oct 2022

We need to flood them with patently ridiculous accusations so that they begin to doubt their own info sources.

bucolic_frolic

(47,005 posts)
5. Gaslight and destabilize the narcissists with cognitive distortions to melt their sense of reality
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 07:39 AM
Oct 2022

It's a tall order, but I'm all in for it

bucolic_frolic

(47,005 posts)
8. Ask them to answer double-barrel questions that defy answer
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:24 AM
Oct 2022

together or separately, distort their sense of time, tell them we're 5 years past TDFG now get over it, ask them the same questions why why why, just insinuate they are stupid, refuse to engage on their terms. These are psychological techniques. It's what the troll farms as you mention, did to America in 2016.

rainin

(3,170 posts)
16. I love how you think. Whenever this has been done, it's been an organized effort backed by
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:52 AM
Oct 2022

big money. How does something like this get a foothold using volunteers? Could you give me an example of a double barrel question that can't be answered separately? I believed that compound questions could be answered separately. Is there a difference between a double barrel question and a compound question?

bucolic_frolic

(47,005 posts)
19. Double-barrel just means two sided - two questions paired together
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 09:19 AM
Oct 2022

To really confuse someone, the questions should sound reasonable separately, and be related (of the same or similar subject) together, but each of them separately should be just about unable to be answered by the intended target. Delivered rapidly you have really rendered them speechless. The questions aren't meant to be answered, they're meant to confuse.

I had this done to me twice, which is what sent me to research two-sided questions, and the term double-barrel popped up. Formulate one? I've have to think it through, write it down, and practice a lot. So let's think it through.

"Mr. MAGA, will Trump in 2024 be able to mitigate the differences between libertarians and free market von Mises economists (that's part one), OR would it be better for Trump to send an emissary to the Middle East to seek favorable loan rates for his son-in-law? (part two)"

I'd have a hard time constructing a pausible answer to either one, AND the two are not related, but the question makes it sound like they are.




vlyons

(10,252 posts)
18. No, we need to shut down the sources of hate disinformation
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 09:03 AM
Oct 2022

Starting with Fox News and the hate radio networks. I don't know how we could do this, but there are plenty of folks smarter than me. Maybe make it a crime to repeatedly disseminate unsubstantiated claims as facts as being dangerous to national security. Or file massive slander lawsuits that if won would bankrupt them. Certainly boycott all advertisers on those platforms.

FakeNoose

(35,695 posts)
20. This!
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 09:30 AM
Oct 2022

It must be done, and quickly before we all lose our minds. The Repukes are already past any help.



"Whoop-Ass" is the massive lawsuits we need to file against the hate/disinformation media.

delisen

(6,466 posts)
6. Without a vision the people perish..or see conspiracies everywhere
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 07:43 AM
Oct 2022

We have not projected a positive vision of the future and as the old order changes people who need the vision are left without hope and when hope dies what is left is blame and vengeance.

When the Democratic Party builds the vision we will move beyond the present political mess.

wnylib

(24,405 posts)
9. Very true. An overall vision or theme that people can relate to.
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:28 AM
Oct 2022

One that is more than a single election cycle so that it will live on. Our big tent sometimes has so many voices that we have a hard time unifying ourselves and then unifying the nation with us.

Our many voices are good, but we need a vision that all, or at least most, of our voices agree with and relate to, one which appeals to our common humanity so that it reaches people outside of our big tent. Things that we all share as human beings and as Americans.

Finances are a commonly shared issue that can form a vision of the future for all of us. We could use more light shown on how wealthy Republican backers buy elections to benefit themselves at the expense of average citizens, e.g. tax cuts for the wealthy that leave the rest of us paying more for services.

That focus is a fine line to walk regarding messaging because the RWers will try to paint us as Socialists and Communists over it. I'd counter that with an image of them as the nobility and royalty of the past which we rejected in 1776.




Joe Cool

(1,013 posts)
12. Pennsylvanian here, specifically Butler County resident
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:40 AM
Oct 2022

The ONLY people who will be voting for MastriaNO for governor are the hardcore GOPeers (Google Oz and urine). I live in Butler County, which has a +27 GOP registration advantage. The number of yard signs for Shapiro almost matches the number for Mastriano. This is the first time in my life that I have seen this many signs for Democratic candidates (the aforementioned Shapiro for governor, Fetterman for Senate, and Dan Pastore for Congress (HoR) in my district), in Butler County. Unless someone is a an actual DINO, no Democrat will be voting for Mastriano. Shapiro did a masterful job of running ads during primary season basically saying Mastriano should be the GOPee nominee and Republicans took his bait. One also has to wonder what Shapiro, who is the state AG, knows about any possible criminal activity concerning Mastriano and 1/6. Shapiro can't publicly say anything but it really makes you wonder.

Butterflylady

(3,988 posts)
15. Lebanon county here, seeing no signs here at all.
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:52 AM
Oct 2022

Which is very very unusual since this is a solid red county.

wnylib

(24,405 posts)
17. Good to know.
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:55 AM
Oct 2022

I'm a native of PA, a former almost neighbor of yours from Erie County. As far as I can see, it is the urban areas that will carry Shapiro and Fetterman. Pittsburgh metro area, Philly, maybe Erie. Erie was solidly Democratic while I was growing up there, but shifted, especially after native son Ridge entered politics. Working and middle classes in Erie were hard hit by the Rust Belt decline and are not so solidly Democratic as in the past.

I have an online subscription to the Erie Times and as a western NYer, I'm also not very far from PA. So I get PA political ads popping up on my screen. They are all Republican ads trashing Fetterman on crime. I've been wondering how effective they have been.

Cosmocat

(14,968 posts)
21. Its had an effect
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 09:35 AM
Oct 2022

As well as his stroke.

Oz is a pathetic carpet bagging POS, but seems nice to the idiots vs Matriano being a full out chrisofacist loon.

So, the race is a bit closer than anticipated.

wnylib

(24,405 posts)
23. Well, I hope that Fetterman and Shapiro can
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 12:51 PM
Oct 2022

counter the Republican negative ads with their own substance and messaging to pull farther ahead in the next few weeks.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
10. Can the Philadelphia Childrens Hospital sue for defamation?
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:33 AM
Oct 2022

It is a specific entity being defamed and harmed by these outright lies.

PatSeg

(49,724 posts)
14. I think that sometimes they know it is BS
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 08:51 AM
Oct 2022

but they have a desire to oppose someone. They are in combat mode a good deal of the time and they are addicted to outrage. They will buy into anything if it gives them the opportunity to be angry and sometimes an excuse to be violent.

We've seen this throughout history in mob mentality. Some people need little reason to rise up against something or someone, but the issues don't really matter to them. It is the fight that they're seeking. It sometimes reminds me of drunken bar room brawls, often started just because someone(s) needs a good fight.

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