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Related: About this forumTony Abbott achieves the impossible: unity among economists
Theres a joke about economists: if you ask five economists the same question youll get six different answers. Granted, it's not a very good joke, but its a fair call. Ours is a complex field, and a growing number of economists are acknowledging that the theory sitting behind mainstream economics is mostly rubbish. As a result, its very difficult to find consensus on real world events.
But that's where Abbott and Hockey have achieved what many thought impossible: a true consensus. Unfortunately for the coalition government, the consensus is entirely against them. The Abbott governments agenda has been driven by three major claims, all of them economic in nature. Lets see how economists view these three themes:
1) There is a budget emergency
Number of economists who agree: zero
2) The federal government has a debt crisis
Number of economists who agree: zero
3) Carbon pricing is an economic wrecking ball
Number of economists who agree: zero
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Saul Eslake, chief economist at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, said that to call the Australian debt situation a crisis was to abuse the English language.
Similarly, Nobel prize winning US economist Joseph Stiglitz used terms such as absurd, crazy and a crime to describe some of Hockeys budget measures, and dismissed the perceived debt and deficit problems, noting that any Australian who worries about debt must be out of their mind. Richard Holden, professor of economics at the Australian School of Business, put it this way: First, Australia does not have a debt crisis. Or, to put it another way, Australia does not have a debt crisis.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/23/tony-abbott-achieves-the-impossible-unity-among-economists
Funny thing is, try telling that to any Lib-voting friends, and they change the subject. Strange how some people want the economic news to be bad. (Not that I have many Lib friends - I find it too hard to be polite to them these days.)
SunSeeker
(53,704 posts)My liberal-voting friends here in the US are quite easy to be polite to. I am a liberal and I vote accordingly, like my friends.
Matilda
(6,384 posts)To be accurate, the Liberal Party as founded in 1944 by Robert Menzies, was a very different beast. I doubt he'd be very happy with the Tea Party style of Liberals today. Former Lib PM Malcolm Fraser resigned from the party in disgust some years ago, and now almost qualifies as a Leftie, yet really, he is a Liberal in the sense that Menzies was.
There is possibly some similarity between the evolution of the GOP of yesterday and the party of today - I believe the Republicans weren't always as nutty as they are now?
SunSeeker
(53,704 posts)Yet today's Republicans disingenuously claim it is the same old party (nicknamed the "Grand Old Party" or "GOP" when in fact today's GOP is a fetid coalition of America's moneyed elite, and their misguided working class supporters conned into voting against their own interests. Today's GOP is largely comprised of Southern whites whose forefathers took up arms against Lincoln and in support of slavery.
By the way, I was in Australia in 2003. Beautiful, immense country. And I really enjoyed all the friendly people...once I got over being called a "Yank." LOL
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)I am just gob-smacked sometimes. I do not know what these guys are thinking. Tony is often just plain incoherent. Hockey looks like a mob boss from central casting. Then just when you thought it couldn't get stupider...it's Clive Palmer and his looney band of merry pranksters.
Tanelorn
(359 posts)Admitted to New Zealand business people that there is no budget emergency and there is nothing wrong with the Australan Economy. He didnt figure that we would hear about it.