Missing Canadian teenagers may have link to ISIS

[shockedcanadian]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/26/americas/canada-missing-teens/

Canada is making International headlines for all the wrong reasons, every major news network is carrying his story. To think up to 6 young people leaving at once, it really undermines the dangers and horrible use of resources. CSIS, RCMP are you on the job?

[Turbineguy]

1. There was a video linked to that

Where a Mother whose son was seduced by IS and was killed talked about educating the young to counteract IS propaganda. On the face of it, an excellent idea. The problem is however they will also be armed against Fox News, the Republican Party and the Pat Robertsons' of the world.

[shockedcanadian]

2. it takes a village to raise a child... and far more courage

This is more than just parents needing to be involved. Its politicians, the education system and most importantly the security apparatus including the police. As someone who knows quite first hand the security apparatus works, these kids don't have allies. You have to reach out to these kids when they are young, most impressionable and you have to act honestly; not with ulterior motives. Instead what many of these young people have are perverse abusers of powers, many agents working undercover without accountability who salivate at the opportunity to further their careers on the backs of the misery of others.
Does Canada care to hold these abusers of power to account? When our Charter of Rights and Freedoms is trampled do Canadians care, or only care if the person being persecuted shared their view?


I am not one who believes that we back down and play soft with terrorists. In that, some of these media outlets you mention in the Right are not too different from those in the Left. You can't sit down and break bread and share a cup of tea with some who are too far gone and who despise the West and life itself. You have to meet their violence or they will kill innocent citizens with impunity. These young kids in Canada have to be reached before they are on the front lines and causing harm to Canadians and our allies. They are acting with emotion and impulse rather than really understanding the consequences.

[applegrove]

3. Oh good lord. If the kids are not speaking openly of their plans, on the interweb or amongst their

family and friends, how are the police supposed to know?

[shockedcanadian]

4. The police can't stop every one of these kids leaving the country, or lone wolves

However as someone victimized by the abusers and liars of those working in the apparatus (and working the system for their own benefit), let me assure you they are wasting a TONNE of resources on non-threats for self benefit and to avoid embarrassment. Still ruining my life and that of my wife, yet I don't have a criminal record nor have threatened anyone, even after pursuing the diplomatic process. It's easy for the unaccountable to justify what they do, no different than Stasi of the former East Germany, who do they answer to?

In the American media there is constant scrutiny of the police at all levels, constant questions and accountability processes, in Canada you can't even obtain your information if you request it via ATIP let alone ensure that the RCMP and CSIS are operating within the tenets of the rule of law. It's laughable and upsetting at the same time. I read all mainstream media sites and there is a vast difference in media holding the apparatuses to account in Britain and America than in Canada in particular the politicians in these countries publicly questioning them. Certainly citizens in these countries understand what an abuse of power is and they point it out.

These abuses of power, lies, misrepresentations, money spent on surveillance of fake threats, money spent on surveillance of REAL threats with no plan in place other than to keep punching the overtime. All of these activities are a threat to Canadian security. In simple terms, when they are wasting resources on non-threats and activities to further their careers, ruin lives or avoid embarrassment, there is real harm that is being planned and put into action at the same time with nary an eye on the perpetrators.

Six teenagers get in a plane and leave the country and no one has an idea of this? One as young as 15 years old. The police can't stop every crime or every terrorist, I understand this, but you can be absolutely certain that they don't utilize their resources properly or such travel of so many would have been picked up somewhere by someone. It would be more understandable if one or two young adults were planning something, but so many teens who the apparatus know are key targets of these ISIS recruiters? even after all of the activities of the last year? Not acceptable and they should be continued to be criticized.

[applegrove]

5. And as to your description of undercover agents, do we really want them to be passive B type

personalities? Really relaxed and easygoing? I think not.

"many agents working undercover without accountability who salivate at the opportunity to further their careers on the backs of the misery of others"

[shockedcanadian]

6. Personality type? Honesty would be #1 trait

Undercovers should be watchers, analyzers and factual. Instead too many are full of shyte, angle-shooters, agent provocateurs or "guiding hands". They can act this way because the system is stacked in their favor. No accountability, no one listening to victims except in extreme cases.

The costs of being wrong or pursuing the wrong path can be extremely deadly: socially, economically and democratically. In the worst case scenarios lives are lost and/or we put our allies in the path of danger. As I have come to understand Canada simply isn't as trusted as it once was.

Nothing is worse than a nation in which their intelligence capital has no value or is deemed untrustworthy. In the last couple of weeks I have read articles about the British criticizing the RCMP, I have read a number of articles about how Canada is not as close to America and our other allies as it once was. This from former politicians and aides. This distrust didn't just start over night.