In tonights debate Blanchette painted Quebecers as perpetual victims.

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Link to tweet

Annamie Paul (Green Party) won the night with her winning personality I think. I don't think the Greens can do anything but take votes from the NDP. Everything is wide open. Can't wait to see the polls tomorrow.

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1. Undefined terms: "this" and NDP

What is beyond shameless according to the tweet?the comparison or the situation of First Nation peoples or perhaps the people of Quebec ?

Is there something important about NDP that we should care ? Are the Green Party(s) of Canada similar to Ralph Nader of 2000 ?

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2. Quebecers have had power over their lives in economic vibrant areas and resource rich areas for

60 years (they've been around for 400 and were subjects of the French Kings, the church, the British and, later, white business people). Indigenous people have been relegated to the remote areas often hit or miss with the resources underneath, mostly miss and little power or agency for 200 years. Quebec has gotten many concessions from the federal government recognizing its unique language and such. It also get a lot of transfer payments. To compare the vibrant cities and towns of southern Quebec and their markets to indigenous outpost life is ridiculous. This is Canada: being in indigenous country puts you 1000 miles away from a city or a market often. Thankfully the internet is leveling things a bit. There has been a truth and reconciliation commission. People can connect and build community across the country and are not dependent on their tenuous ties to southern cities. I had a friend whose Aunts were indigenous. Didn't matter they were middle class moms they got treated bad by Hull police when they went to a bar in Hull, Quebec (across the river from Ottawa at the time 30 years ago). A woman dying in a northern hospital video recorded her lack of treatment and distain by the staff at the hospital before she died there. That was in the past 2 years. But there is a renaissance amongst the indigenous. French Quebec had its' rebirth in the 1960s and 1970s. I suspect the separatist Blanchette wants to forge stronger ties with the indigenous people as the last time they had a vote to separate from Canada, indigenous Cree were saying they might like to split off in their own country too (and take ownership of a ****load of hydro electric power with them). That was novel for Quebecers to have to think of the breakup of their province. Thinking of the break up of your home is not fun. Canadians know it well.

NDP might split the vote with Liberals. I want the strongest one to get the votes. Green Party well respected here. Though Annemie Paul was new tonight to many anglophones. They are our climate conscience. Like Nader in the 1970s.

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3. Ty for the extra clarity.

I am not in North America these days. My attention is divided among the continents.

Is any of the main Canadian current parties an enemy similar to the Republican Party ?

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4. Conservative leaders, if not held back by a canadian electorate, would

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love to be libertarians. The libertarian base are reading the same stuff as the right wing nutters in the US. The republicans have tried to build the same wedge issues in Canada as they have built in the USA. Did not work long to win elections. A man in central Ontario assaulted a person in a store who asked him to wear a mask. He left and police were called. They followed him in his car but broke off when it became dangerous because they had his license plate. When they got to his house he came out guns blazing. So the police shot him dead. He had meaning in his life in the end I guess. Some provincial premiers who are conservative are as bad as DeSantis. One tried to be authoritarian and it resulted in them being so unpopular that their support completely tanked and he has not been authoritarian since and stuck close to Trudeau on Covid management and regulations and advice. One premier undid the mandate that people just diagnosed with Covid have to stay home. Or his health authority did. He was on vacation. The outcry was so bad they had to stop it. Both Conservative Premiers are pretending to be nice pussycats so their coldness and extremism doesn't sink the Federal Conservative leader O'Toole. He is pretending to be liberal. Then he gets caught with his fingers crossed behind his back. He could win. He 'seems' normal. The progressives split the vote three or 4 ways. So it is hard for Liberals to win a majority. The point is white men are susceptible to libertarianism if it gives them power and it does in one way or another. The guy running out of his house shooting at police felt the power too. Men who have power, within themselves, not so much libertarian. Maybe centrist or liberal or socialist. And that is the vast majority. Some of the centrists are liking O'Toole. The People's Party of Canada which is full on libertarian is at about 5% and didn't make it into the debates. The Conservatives are at about 33%. Their votes are concentrated in in Alberta and out West so it is hard for them to win. Unless they breakthrough in Quebec and Ontario. Which they would have no chance to do if they ran as the libertarians they want to be. There is an endless pit inside libertarians they need to fill by taking and keeping more for themselves.

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5. Ty for details.