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LeftishBrit

(41,303 posts)
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 06:51 AM Dec 2017

Brexit is a 'nationalist spasm': Adonis resigns as infrastructure tsar

Brexit has caused a “nervous breakdown” in Whitehall, the former Labour minister Andrew Adonis has said following his Lord Adonis resigned on Friday in protest at Theresa May’s management of Britain’s departure from the EU, describing the process as “a dangerous populist and nationalist spasm worthy of Donald Trump”.


He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Saturday morning: “Almost the entire government machine is spending its time seeking to wrench us out of the key economic and political institutions of the EU. Everything else is going by the board.”

Adonis said there should be a second referendum on the terms of the Brexit deal and that people like him who are in leadership positions should be “arguing passionately with the British people as to why staying in the EU is the right thing to do”.

He said those who voted to leave were “not stupid” but argued that Brexit was not defined before the referendum and people should be given “a new say” on the choice between May’s deal and staying in the EU

(More at link):

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/29/lord-adonis-quits-as-theresa-may-infrastructure-tsar-over-brexit

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Brexit is a 'nationalist spasm': Adonis resigns as infrastructure tsar (Original Post) LeftishBrit Dec 2017 OP
I remember not always being Adonis' top fan as Education Minister; but I'm cheering him on now! LeftishBrit Dec 2017 #1
Also worth noting... T_i_B Dec 2017 #2
Good line, Lord Adonis. KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2017 #3
Here's to good luck and the return of some sanity! LeftishBrit Dec 2017 #4
Absolutely there should be a second referendum. BrExit would be easily defeated. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #5
For me the roots of all these problems bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #6
Phrased more intuitively bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #7
Well said. zentrum Dec 2017 #8
Is there any prospect of a re-vote? Jim Lane Dec 2017 #9
Parliament was required by petition to debate this: Ghost Dog Dec 2017 #10
Thanks for the details! Jim Lane Dec 2017 #11
Political pressure for a second referendum _is_ building, Ghost Dog Dec 2017 #12
I don't think there are any legal obstacles; but unfortunately there are political ones LeftishBrit Jan 2018 #13

LeftishBrit

(41,303 posts)
1. I remember not always being Adonis' top fan as Education Minister; but I'm cheering him on now!
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 06:53 AM
Dec 2017

Glad someone finally said some of what needs to be said!

T_i_B

(14,800 posts)
2. Also worth noting...
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 07:05 AM
Dec 2017

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...the criticism in his resignation statement of the government's handling of certain railway franchises. Which could be a gift for Labour if the Corbynite faction can put their loathing of Adonis to one side.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,595 posts)
3. Good line, Lord Adonis.
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 07:36 AM
Dec 2017

Truth: "dangerous populist and nationalist spasm worthy of Donald Trump". Now, he's getting dressed-down by the Tories as expected.

Not much consolation though, having brothers in arms in right-wing insanity across the pond. Let's wish each other the best of luck for the next several years. We're all going to need it in great measure.

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Bernardo de La Paz

(50,927 posts)
5. Absolutely there should be a second referendum. BrExit would be easily defeated.
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 07:46 AM
Dec 2017

One without the admitted lies Farage made.

One without Russian interference.

bucolic_frolic

(47,009 posts)
6. For me the roots of all these problems
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 09:12 AM
Dec 2017

lie in privatization, or the belief that the sum total of the world is the aggregation of private interests.

Legal systems and nations and laws were set up for structure, safety, order, commerce. Simply disregarding
hundreds of years of jurisprudence and lawmaking to focus on commerce as the only legitimate function of
government or the world is what has led us to this mess, in UK, and in USA. Economic, class, and financial
warfare will be the result.

bucolic_frolic

(47,009 posts)
7. Phrased more intuitively
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 09:39 AM
Dec 2017

We are taking systems conceived for social welfare to value all socioeconomic levels of society and restructuring them to serve as profit centers for those of the most fortunate financial circumstances.

This is not going to work out well, anywhere. Once the masses figure it out, they will resist, cease to serve, look after their own only, or rebel.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
9. Is there any prospect of a re-vote?
Sat Dec 30, 2017, 07:13 PM
Dec 2017

Adonis calls for a second referendum but I had the vague impression that there were legal obstacles to that. In addition, of course, I assume there are significant political obstacles, because May has a tenuous majority in Commons and can't afford to alienate the pro-Brexit bloc among the Tories.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
10. Parliament was required by petition to debate this:
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 11:27 AM
Dec 2017

I (virtually) signed the petition, so received this email after the debate:

Dear (Ghost Dog),

Parliament debated the petition you signed – “Hold a referendum on the final Brexit deal”

Watch the debate: http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/3e1dd847-9bcc-48fb-b141-5c8441b50ae9

Read the transcript: https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2017-12-11/debates/E3B1D9A4-5B9B-4337-8486-C4BE9A46F2BB/BrexitDealReferendum

Read the research: https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CDP-2017-0253

The petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200004

Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament


It's rather curious that I was able to participate in the (online) petition, simply providing my (real name), email address and postcode of where I live in the Canary Islands. In the original Brexit referendum and in the subsequent general election I was, on the other hand, (imo illegally) disenfranchised, having officially resided in non-UK EU more than fifteen years.

Government responded:

On 23 June 2016 the British people voted to leave the European Union. The UK Government is clear that it is now its duty to implement the will of the people and so there will be no second referendum...

Read the response in full: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200004


A second referendum would not be illegal, as I understand it. Some of what Ms. May's Government is doing might well be, though. Such as withholding information in contempt of parliament.
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
11. Thanks for the details!
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:29 PM
Dec 2017

I suppose there's at least some possibility that, as the specifics of Brexit become clearer, political pressure for a second referendum might build.

The response states in part: "The UK Government is clear that it is now its duty to implement the will of the people and so there will be no second referendum..." I beg leave to point out to Her Majesty's Government that the second clause of that sentence is inconsistent with the first.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
12. Political pressure for a second referendum _is_ building,
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:54 PM
Dec 2017

that's my impression, observing from out here...

LeftishBrit

(41,303 posts)
13. I don't think there are any legal obstacles; but unfortunately there are political ones
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 07:54 AM
Jan 2018

Those you mention; and more generally that much of the media is fanatical about Brexit and regards those who oppose or even wish to modify it as 'saboteurs', 'mutineers' and 'enemies of the people'. Not, I am sure, related in any way to the fact that a high proportion of media owners are super-rich tax avoiders, and that the EU rules make this more difficult and are set to toughen in 2019.

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