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Related: About this forumhahahahah Leave-voting MP Nadine Dorries is bonkers.
Leave-voting MP Nadine Dorries slams May's Brexit deal because UK wont have seats in European parliament
The Tory backbencher, who campaigned tirelessly to get the country out of Europe, said Ms May's deal would leave the UK without any influence in Europe.
This is a very sad place to be, she told Sky News. But unfortunately, the future of the country and of our relationship with Europe is at stake. This deal gives us no voice, no votes, no MEPs, no commissioner.
Her words were met with astonishment online.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is the quality of our politicians right now, one Twitter user noted. The intellect of a boiled cabbage.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nadie-dorries-slams-brexit-deal-leave-remain-jk-rowling-a8639216.html
Denzil_DC
(7,952 posts)Some have been trying to excuse her idiocy by saying she's objecting to a lengthy transition period where the Uk'll be in limbo by contributing money and being subject to EU rules without representation.
That's all very well, but her favoured Brexit model has been Norway. Guess what rules etc. Norway is subject to ...
JHan
(10,173 posts)"Just last week, leave voter and ex-Brexit secretary Dominic Raab let slip he hadnt quite understood how heavily UK trade relies on the Dover-Calais Channel crossing."
seriously?!
Denzil_DC
(7,952 posts)But it was all Project Fear, see?
Here's another:
Northern Ireland secretary admits she did not realise nationalists refuse to vote for unionist parties when she took job
...
Karen Bradley said at the time of her appointment earlier this year, she did not understand campaigns were generally fought within each part of the community, rather than across it.
"I didn't understand things like when elections are fought for example in Northern Ireland - people who are nationalists don't vote for unionist parties and vice-versa," she said.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/northern-ireland-karen-bradley-secretary-nationalists-unionists-sinn-fein-dup-elections-a8526466.html
Here's another from 2016:
The newly appointed minister in charge of negotiating Britains exit from the European Union appears unaware of how EU trade deals work, it has emerged.
David Davis was appointed as Theresa Mays Secretary of State for Leaving the European Union on Wednesday evening immediately after she arrived at Number 10.
The staunch Leave backer, a former Europe Minister, however said during the referendum campaign that Britain would negotiate individual trade deals with other EU countries.
However one of the main basic features of the European Union is that EU countries cannot negotiate individual trade deals with outside countries and instead do so as a bloc of 28.
The basic fact, which was paraded by other parts of the Leave campaign during the referendum, leaves Mr Daviss original plan for one-on-one trade deals in tatters.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/minister-for-brexit-davis-davis-eu-european-union-germany-single-market-trade-deals-unaware-mistake-a7136121.html
And now, undeterred by being the laziest, most useless politician I can remember in my lifetime, out of a very competitive field, he's on the starting blocks to sell us down the river to Trump:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6400783/David-Davis-reveals-hes-drumming-free-trade-deal-despite-quitting-Brexit-Secretary-role.html
Doh! If it wasn't for those horrible Eurocrats, we could set course full speed ahead and finally officially become the 51st US state.
JHan
(10,173 posts)SMFH
JHan
(10,173 posts)Their problem will be, rather, with the shades of obliviousness. Here our future scholars will have to try to distinguish between three kinds of ignorance: deliberate unknowing, crass self-delusion and what we can only call pig ignorance. So, for their benefit, here is a brief spotters guide.
Deliberate unknowing is when you are fully aware of something but then choose to suppress that consciousness. A good example is Theresa May speaking about the Irish border on June 21st 2016, just two days before the referendum: Just think about it. If we are out of the European Union with tariffs on exporting goods into the EU, thered have to be something to recognise that, between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. And if you pulled out of the EU and came out of free movement, then how could you have a situation where there was an open border with a country that was in the EU and has access to free movement? So she knew full well that a Brexit that involved leaving the customs union would create a hard border. And then, as prime minister, she insisted on the opposite: that a hard Brexit was perfectly compatible with no return of a hard border. She unknew what she had known.
And then theres pig ignorance the genuine hallmarked, unadulterated, slack-jawed, open-mouthed, village idiot variety. Crass self-delusion is when you start with an ideological premise that you believe to be true even though it isnt and then draw apparently reasonable conclusions from it.
Thus, for example, David Davis sincerely believed the EU is just a front for German domination of Europe. Hence he also believed quite genuinely that the Brexit negotiations would be conducted not with Brussels but over a convivial weissbräu and schnitzel in Berlin and that frictionless trade would be decreed immediately because the German car manufacturers wished it so: sincerely fatuous self-delusion.
Village idiot
And then theres pig ignorance the genuine hallmarked, unadulterated, slack-jawed, open-mouthed, village idiot variety in which the people who are in charge of the British state dont know stuff that anyone off Gogglebox could tell them. The Brexiteer MP Nadine Dorries admitted in effect that she didnt know what a customs union is. Her comrade Andrew Bridgen said last month: As an English person, I do have the right to go over to Ireland and I believe that I can ask for a passport. Cant I?
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-historians-will-not-believe-sheer-ignorance-of-brexit-supporters-1.3695347
shenmue
(38,537 posts)LE WHAT
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)Napoleon would be delighted--and Wellington would be horrified--to know we're now imposing the Continental System on ourselves.
This level of stupidity isn't accidental. It takes natural talent, determination, and practice.
shenmue
(38,537 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,305 posts)Sheer madness.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)Rest assured I have a very dim view of it indeed.
I'm still clinging to the hope of a second referendum, as I think it will take most of a decade to rejoin the EU. And we're not getting any special deals next time, so say goodbye to the pound. I do have hope that our inevitable readmission will put us in the Schengen Zone though.