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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 06:00 AM Feb 2019

It Is Official. The Unicorn Is Shitting Itself.



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/feb/24/the-brexit-unicorn-still-evades-capture-but-the-choice-is-clear#img-1

There needs to be a second reformation. Did anyone see that new Sky 1 programme about a dystopian world where people race to get out? We were watching it on catch up last night and our natural assumption was that this was a post Brexit world.... Unicorns should be shitting themselves.
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It Is Official. The Unicorn Is Shitting Itself. (Original Post) Soph0571 Feb 2019 OP
What happens if a second referendum says "go" again . . . on March 28th? n/t MrModerate Feb 2019 #1
We would be fucked Soph0571 Feb 2019 #2
As I see it from the US . . . MrModerate Feb 2019 #3
The problem we have is this: Soph0571 Feb 2019 #4
Recent polling data appears to show that the STAY vote would win easily Vinnie From Indy Feb 2019 #5
We can hope. Polling showed it would win the last time too, though. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2019 #12
How about if we loan you Donald Trump, watoos Feb 2019 #6
A wall? They already had a moat that served them well. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #7
Good try - but we have enough loons of our own thanks! Soph0571 Feb 2019 #8
Civil unrest isn't the threat it used to be. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2019 #13
So the country is ruled by the threat of civil unrest? Denzil_DC Feb 2019 #14
There's no way a second referendum could be organized before March 28. Denzil_DC Feb 2019 #9
So the UK jumped off the building a year and a half ago . . . MrModerate Feb 2019 #10
The riposte from staunch Leavers would be that everything's fine so far. Denzil_DC Feb 2019 #11
That's why the first thing would be to postpone the exit date muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #16
But would they agree? T_i_B Feb 2019 #17
The feeling seems to be that they'd agree for a definite reason like a new referendum muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #18
Private Eye's "St. Theresa's School for Girls" school pets: Chequers the dodo, Planbee the unicorn muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #15
 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
3. As I see it from the US . . .
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 06:59 AM
Feb 2019

the ONLY way to unfuck this is a second referendum cancelling the first.

I wonder it that's even logistically possible.

Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
4. The problem we have is this:
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 07:10 AM
Feb 2019

Even if we manage to reverse the decision the Brexitiers will have none of it. The biggest problem will be the legitimacy of the result. I cannot see that the turnout would be as big in 2016 - so if we won but on less of a vote than 2016 - it would not be accepted and could cause civil unrest - we would need a huge turnout and a huge swing to remain for it to be accepted and I just do not see that happening....

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
12. We can hope. Polling showed it would win the last time too, though.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:31 AM
Feb 2019

But simply winning is one thing, we've created such a mess with this disaster that the legitimacy of the democratic process is threatened unless it's a huge win with huge turnout. The bar is higher than it really should be.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
6. How about if we loan you Donald Trump,
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 07:20 AM
Feb 2019

for say 2 years? The greatest deal maker of all times could solve your problems easy peasy. All you need to do is give huge tax breaks to the rich and start imposing tariffs on imports. Maybe build a wall around the U.K that the E.U. will pay for? Feel any better now?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,811 posts)
7. A wall? They already had a moat that served them well.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 07:32 AM
Feb 2019

Until someone dug a tunnel under it.

Ok, maybe a wall, as long as Monaco pays for it.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
13. Civil unrest isn't the threat it used to be.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:33 AM
Feb 2019

They could burn Birmingham to the ground and it would still be less destructive than Brexit. I'm not even sure it would be worse than what we've had so far.

Denzil_DC

(8,030 posts)
14. So the country is ruled by the threat of civil unrest?
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:58 AM
Feb 2019

I don't remember the fear of that being a major, let alone legitimate, consideration during the miners' strike or Stop the City or any other times of national turmoil.

There's a whole lot of legitimate anger out here on the Remain side.

Do we have to threaten civil unrest before we're taken seriously?

Denzil_DC

(8,030 posts)
9. There's no way a second referendum could be organized before March 28.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 08:14 AM
Feb 2019

An Act would have to be passed to authorize it, involving debates and amendments in the Commons and Lords, the terms of the question and detailed rules about its conduct, regulation of the campaigns, which organizations would be the official nominees for each question etc. would have to be negotiated and agreed. The Electoral Commission then recommends that there should be a gap of six months between the legislation being passed and the vote being held.

The only way there could be a second referendum is if there was an extension to the withdrawal deadline. If that happened, the UK would need to hold elections for the European Parliament on May 23, which would complicate matters even further.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
10. So the UK jumped off the building a year and a half ago . . .
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 08:17 AM
Feb 2019

And the ground is coming up quick.

Denzil_DC

(8,030 posts)
11. The riposte from staunch Leavers would be that everything's fine so far.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 08:21 AM
Feb 2019

To put it in clear context, the last referendum was held on June 23, 2016. So the government has actually been swithering for two years and seven months and counting to get us to the stage we're at now.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,666 posts)
16. That's why the first thing would be to postpone the exit date
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 04:23 PM
Feb 2019

which can be done if all the EU countries agree.

T_i_B

(14,806 posts)
17. But would they agree?
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:21 AM
Feb 2019

That's something that politicians on all sides have repeatedly failed to consider throughout this whole fiasco. And it's a major part of why it has become a discrediting disaster for British politics.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,666 posts)
18. The feeling seems to be that they'd agree for a definite reason like a new referendum
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:20 AM
Feb 2019

Whether they'd agree for "we need a few more months to get a parliamentary majority together to accept the Draft Agreement" might be less certain. There could be a bit of brinksmanship on both sides with that - 'no deal' is fairly bad for the rest of the EU, and very bad for us, but some EU leaders may want to appear willing to risk no deal to convince May that she can't just use the extra time to get more concessions out of the EU.

I think if we got to the point of parliament passing amendments to take control of the process from May's government, that could be seen as a real sign that a deal can be reached and passed in parliament, and they'd grant that extra time if needed.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,666 posts)
15. Private Eye's "St. Theresa's School for Girls" school pets: Chequers the dodo, Planbee the unicorn
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 04:21 PM
Feb 2019

and Plancee the flying pig - from their regular spoof school newsletter:

"School Pet

I'm sorry to have to tell pupils the very sad news that Chequers the Dodo is officially dead.

I know we said he was alive, which he was in a sense, in our hearts, but now the medical facts of the matter, viz the lack of heartbeat, the absence of brain activity and the fact that he's been off his food for over 350 years, have convinced us that Chequers is no more.

We have therefore decided to get a new, more realistic and sensible school pet, so please welcome Planbee the Unicorn!

You'll see him trotting round the school, as large as life and he's very much a unicorn. Don't let anyone tell you that Mr Malthouse has stuck a traffic cone on the donkey's head and is trying to pass it off as a magical creature."

"New New School Pet

Has anybody seen Planbee the Unicorn? Since welcoming him as the school pet, he seems to have disappeared, if indeed he was ever there at all. But to make sure the pupils aren't too upset, we have a new school pet, called Plancee. Plancee is a pig, but a pig with a difference.

The eagle-eyed amongst you will have noticed he's got wings. Yes, Plancee is a flying pig. Up, up and away! Ther e he goes! Let's hope he doesn't fly straight into the propellers of Mr Williamson's drone! Or it';ll be pork chops and deep-fried pigs' wings for dinner!"

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