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Related: About this forumI used to be against Brexit, but now I'm for it.
My opinion can be summarized in two letters: "f" and "u".
If the Tories really so desperately want a Brexit,
if they feel the need to run a propaganda-campaign with outright false statements for the referendum,
if they feel the need aim for a No-Deal-Brexit,
if they feel the need to to keep the Yellowhammer-report a secret,
if they feel the need that there shouldn't be public studies and public reports about the consequences of a Brexit,
if they feel the need to alienate investors by complicating international monetary realtionships,
if they feel the need to drum up problems with Northern Ireland,
if they feel the need to drum up problems with Scotland, up to possibly destroying Great Britain by Scotland declaring independence,
then I say, fine, let them do it.
Let them go through with Brexit, let them ruin Great Britain, let them put their names on it.
Joinfortmill
(16,399 posts)PatrickforO
(15,109 posts)Britain will face a sort of cataclysm if they go through with it, so sure the Tories will be 'punished' at the polls.
But in the meantime, the people will suffer.
It's that way here in the States, too. We're all suffering because of Trump. I can't just say 'let him do it' because of that suffering.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Because the good ol' US of A, led by our Big Pharma overlords, are insisting on getting the first crack at their healthcare market "if yous guys wanna deal wit us".
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142403572
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)Apologies to Messrs Walliams and Lucas...
mwooldri
(10,390 posts)Scotland and NI could seriously leave the UK. Wales could be an independent country but would need a lot of help getting going... possibly by the same EU they rejected.
greymattermom
(5,794 posts)It will be England again. A small country on part of a small island.
SergeStorms
(19,312 posts)who benefit the most from a situation like Brexit. Is it the average people of the U.K., or is it the very wealthy, and perhaps a certain dictator sitting in a palace in Russia? They love the idea of Brexit, for sure.
ancianita
(38,522 posts)I think Tories want to get the currency and banking controls in order.
I also have a feeling that average Brits and Tories agree on their location as a safeguard (obviously not totally) from Russian operatives who can sow chaos, simultaneously providing a likely story filled with the usual suspects, along with fabricated evidence.
Putin's tentacles across the EU are undeniable. His beta tests of sowing discord show the plan.
To better handle the East-West shadow boxing that Putin's using, England can be a staging area to operate faster than the EU Parliament to rapidly deploy active measures if needed, covert or overt. It can offer safe financial haven while even the EU's so-called neutral financial centers either clean up their act or get owned.
Sounds dramatic, because it is. imo, there's more behind Brexit than the media story.
muriel_volestrangler
(102,478 posts)They've just been in charge for 9 years of austerity, and Johnson, part of that government, has managed to fool loads of people into thinking he's going to spend loads on useful services and infrastructure. He's the ultimate in Tory establishment (Eton, Oxford, Telegraph) but has pretended none of this was anything to do with him.