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elleng

(135,843 posts)
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 06:40 PM Aug 2022

The Forgotten Constitutional Weapon Against Voter Restrictions

A former Justice Department lawyer thinks he’s found a way to penalize states that undermine voting rights.

It’s been a hard few years for people worried about voting rights in America. Republican-controlled states are imposing a raft of new restrictions. A divided Congress has failed to pass any legislation in response. And the Supreme Court just agreed to hear a case that could give state legislatures unchecked power over election rules.

But perhaps a largely forgotten provision of the Constitution offers a solution to safeguard American democracy. Created amid some of the country’s most violent clashes over voting rights, Section 2 of the 14th Amendment provides a harsh penalty for any state where the right to vote is denied “or in any way abridged.”

A state that crosses the line would lose a percentage of its seats in the House of Representatives in proportion to how many voters it disenfranchises. If a state abridges voting rights for, say, 10 percent of its eligible voters, that state would lose 10 percent of its representatives — and with fewer House seats, it would get fewer votes in the Electoral College, too.

Under the so-called penalty clause, it doesn’t matter how a state abridges the right to vote, or even why. The framers of the constitutional amendment worried that they would not be able to predict all the creative ways that states would find to disenfranchise Black voters. They designed the clause so that they wouldn’t have to. “No matter what may be the ground of exclusion,” Sen. Jacob Howard, a Republican from Michigan, explained in 1866, “whether a want of education, a want of property, a want of color, or a want of anything else, it is sufficient that the person is excluded from the category of voters, and the State loses representation in proportion.”

That approach could come in handy for discouraging states from imposing more limits on voting, as the country witnesses what Adam Lioz, senior policy counsel at the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, calls “the greatest assault on voting rights since Jim Crow.”

There’s just one problem: The penalty clause isn’t being enforced — and never has been. . .

Analysis by a data scientist cited in the lawsuit found that seven states — Arizona, Maryland, Mississippi, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee and Virginia — would gain at least one seat each if the Census Bureau fully applied the penalty. . .

Still, simply because the provision may be difficult to interpret doesn’t mean it can easily be ignored. It’s still a piece of the Constitution, even if it’s been gathering dust. Meanwhile, voting rights for millions of Americans — particularly people of color — are increasingly imperiled.

It will be months, perhaps years, before Pettinato’s lawsuit is finally resolved. But for all the hurdles facing him, he remains enthusiastic.

“I just feel very lucky to be able to bring this case,” Pettinato says, “and to try to revive a part of the Constitution that’s laid dormant for 150 years.”'

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/07/27/penalty-clause-voting-rights-00046973?

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The Forgotten Constitutional Weapon Against Voter Restrictions (Original Post) elleng Aug 2022 OP
You enforce the Constitution through litigation in the courts and with the Court /nt bucolic_frolic Aug 2022 #1
Tell us which states would lose reps. instead of... brush Aug 2022 #2
No more legit than Trump having Pence declare him the winner FBaggins Aug 2022 #3
Not legit? It's in the Constitution! G2theD Aug 2022 #8
No it isn't FBaggins Aug 2022 #9
Really? G2theD Aug 2022 #10
Yes, really FBaggins Aug 2022 #13
No, that's not a good example G2theD Aug 2022 #15
"I would think" is the key FBaggins Aug 2022 #17
You are quite wrong and I'll leave it at that. G2theD Aug 2022 #19
But it doesn't say that, does it? G2theD Aug 2022 #11
Sure it does FBaggins Aug 2022 #12
But they already have a republican form of government G2theD Aug 2022 #14
Duh. FBaggins Aug 2022 #16
Duh yourself. G2theD Aug 2022 #18
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing. Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #4
It's worth trying. At least people will know it exists housecat Aug 2022 #5
Let's see how the "originalist" judges vote on this one. mjvpi Aug 2022 #6
and never yet addressed! elleng Aug 2022 #7
I read the lawsuit. It isn't at all what this reporting implies FBaggins Aug 2022 #20
No that's not what it says scipan Aug 2022 #21

brush

(57,361 posts)
2. Tell us which states would lose reps. instead of...
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 07:36 PM
Aug 2022

those seven which would gain seats. And how could Mississippi of all states, and Tennessee, another southern state, and Arizona, which may as well be one after all the voter shenanigans that have gone on there, gain seats instead of losing them?

FBaggins

(27,593 posts)
9. No it isn't
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 10:00 PM
Aug 2022

They’re talking about not letting the former slaves vote at all. They aren’t talking about limiting the number of early voting days (there were none at all at the time) or drop boxes (ditto) or gerrymandering (which existed well before the amendment. )

What happens when the Republican version of this nonsense pops up again and they interpret the constitution’s requirement that each state have a “republican form of government”?? You’ll just accept that “it’s in the constitution!”?

G2theD

(601 posts)
10. Really?
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 10:04 PM
Aug 2022

Section 2 of the 14th Amendment provides a harsh penalty for any state where the right to vote is denied “or in any way abridged.”

FBaggins

(27,593 posts)
13. Yes, really
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 05:44 AM
Aug 2022

It simply can't be argued that someone who retains the right to vote (indeed, likely does vote) has had that right "abridged" by not being able to get water while waiting in line or having one fewer weekend available for early voting.

G2theD

(601 posts)
15. No, that's not a good example
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 06:40 AM
Aug 2022

But many other things the republicans are doing would qualify, I would think.

FBaggins

(27,593 posts)
17. "I would think" is the key
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 06:55 AM
Aug 2022

There is no such legal standard.

Democrats want as many people to vote as possible and therefore want it to be as easy to do as possible. But that isn’t legally at all the same thing as saying “anything other than our preferred policies are tantamount to disenfranchisement” when nobody actually loses the right to vote

FBaggins

(27,593 posts)
12. Sure it does
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 05:41 AM
Aug 2022

Article IV Section II

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government"

All that is needed is for some Republican to creatively define that have a Democratic state legislature or Governor is not a Republican form of government.


G2theD

(601 posts)
14. But they already have a republican form of government
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 06:38 AM
Aug 2022

So I don’t think that would fly. Unless it went to the current SCOTUS, then all bets are off.

FBaggins

(27,593 posts)
16. Duh.
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 06:52 AM
Aug 2022

They also have an unabridged right to vote.

I didn’t say that it made sense… just that it made as much sense as this nonsense

mjvpi

(1,566 posts)
6. Let's see how the "originalist" judges vote on this one.
Wed Aug 3, 2022, 08:57 PM
Aug 2022

Thank you for posting this. It sounds like our current situation is exactly why this was put into the constitution.

FBaggins

(27,593 posts)
20. I read the lawsuit. It isn't at all what this reporting implies
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 10:06 AM
Aug 2022

Their primary claim re "if the Census Bureau filly applied the penalty" is tied to state voter registration requirements. Not so much recent republican efforts to change laws.

Essentially that only allowing registered voters to vote (which every state does) denies/abridges the right to vote.

https://www.constitutionalintegrity.org/_files/ugd/867a00_1f0812e6013147c88fd08ec9089bf5cd.pdf

The lawsuit isn't going anywhere.

scipan

(2,633 posts)
21. No that's not what it says
Thu Aug 4, 2022, 01:38 PM
Aug 2022

It says that any laws beyond what is enumerated in the 14th Amendment that restrict the right to vote, like CA's law denying voter registration to people who have been declared insane, etc. would count.

In addition, state laws denying the ability to vote, like WI's voter ID law (which you have to show when you try to vote), some 300k people, would also count.

From your link.

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