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intrepidity

(7,891 posts)
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 02:51 PM Jun 2023

Questions about apps vs websites, cookies, tracking, etc

I am trying to understand the current state of tracking tech, and would like a more thorough understanding than just the basic stuff.

For example, the actual difference between using a website vs an app. How much actual info can an app take from your phone? It used to be that you could deny certain rights within apps that didn't seem appropriate (eg, why an app needs access to my mic or camera when I have no intention of using the app that way) and so on. I've always been on the cautious side, and lately I'm just getting fed up with all the stuff that corps are getting away with, and I want to make it as hard for them as possible. What prompted this was a Nextdoor (which I access via website, not app!) discussion about grocery store apps and digital coupons, something I don't use so miss out on a lot of deals.

First question is very basic: what info can a cookie contain? Is there a way to view a cookie file to see what it is collecting? I should mention my main tool is a smartphone, not a computer, so Android based.

Another recent event contributed to this concern: I recently used the Walmart (I know, don't start) website to order some items for shipping, to see how they compare to Amazon. What shocked me was that when I looked in the "prior purchases" section, it had items from years ago that were purchased in a brick and mortor store! Now, Walmart isn't like Costco, so the *only* way they could correlate that data is by using my credit card info!! Is this legal?? It really is bothering me.

Any sites that contain good info or discussions along these lines? TIA

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Questions about apps vs websites, cookies, tracking, etc (Original Post) intrepidity Jun 2023 OP
These browsers have built in features Tetrachloride Jun 2023 #1
I do use Brave, and a VPN for that matter intrepidity Jun 2023 #3
It's very complex. Here is one article written for non-techies and one with more info on cell phones usonian Jun 2023 #2
Thank you for those, will check them out intrepidity Jun 2023 #4

Tetrachloride

(8,447 posts)
1. These browsers have built in features
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 03:04 PM
Jun 2023

Brave
Duckduckgo
Omniweb (Mac only)
Vivaldi

Tracker info:
1. meta data such as your browser , device, screen size, Ip address
2. cookies
3. pixel images ( I forgot the exact name)

To my knowledge, Brave is the most comprehensive. None are ideal. I use Brave on my iphone

I believe there are some people here with more insight, so lets see what they have to say

intrepidity

(7,891 posts)
3. I do use Brave, and a VPN for that matter
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 05:32 PM
Jun 2023

It's not like I "have something to hide" bur rather I value my privacy, and wish more people did, too.

I also turn off "location" on my devices, bur I'm sure they must have workarounds.

It is tough to survive as an iconoclast in today's world.

I am *very* concerned with the Walmart issue, or broadly, companies being able to use CC info for tracking. And I'm in California foe crissakes, thought we had tougher regs here! Grrrr

usonian

(13,786 posts)
2. It's very complex. Here is one article written for non-techies and one with more info on cell phones
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 05:08 PM
Jun 2023
How Tech Companies Track Your Every Move And Put Your Data Up For Sale (NPR)
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/31/746878763/how-tech-companies-track-your-every-move-and-put-your-data-up-for-sale


We Checked 250 iPhone Apps—This Is How They’re Tracking You
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/how-iphone-apps-track-you/
(was not paywalled for me, but if it is, use the archive)
https://archive.is/ZBzBA

I chose the first two because the first gives general info, and the second focuses on what phone apps can gather in addition to what web apps get. Better than I could!


Good luck.

More for the techies here:

Very technical:
How Companies Track You Online – The Definitive Guide
https://firewalltimes.com/how-companies-track-you-online/

You can always get good info at off.org. https://eff.org
Phone-specific: https://ssd.eff.org/playlist/privacy-breakdown-mobile-phones
Privacy Breakdown of Mobile Phones

Mobile phones have become commonplace and basic communications tools—now used not only for phone calls, but also for accessing the Internet, sending text messages, and documenting the world.

Unfortunately, mobile phones were not designed for privacy and security by default. Not only do they do a poor job of protecting your communications, they also expose you to new kinds of surveillance risks—especially location tracking. Most mobile phones give the user much less control than a personal desktop or laptop computer would; it's harder to replace the operating system, harder to investigate malware attacks, harder to remove or replace undesirable bundled software, and harder to prevent parties like the mobile operator from monitoring how you use the device. Additionally, the device maker may declare your device obsolete and stop providing you with software updates, including security fixes; if this happens, you may not have anywhere else to turn for these fixes.

Some of these problems can be addressed by using third-party privacy software—but some of them can't. Here, we'll describe some of the ways that phones can aid surveillance and undermine their users' privacy.



Part of surveillance self-defense
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/05/surveillance-self-defense-playlist-getting-know-your-phone


intrepidity

(7,891 posts)
4. Thank you for those, will check them out
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 06:46 PM
Jun 2023

I actually do consider myself a "techie" but I am not up-to-date on current tech, I believe. But my background enables me to understand what I'm reading.

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