I'm so confused. A new term has entered the fist-fight
"the authoritarian gatekeepers"
"you authoritarians"
etc.
After all the names I've been called recently (although not this, at least not yet 
), I'm not sure who exactly the combatants are referring to this time.
If it's specific attributes, can you let me know? If the terms refer to specific people and we're all supposed to know who they mean, well, then I am clueless and someone maybe could PM me to avoid TOS violations.
>sigh< It's just the latest manifestation of the insanity, as far as I am concerned. I think I'm going to go read some more P.G. Wodehouse and lighten up.
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because we're not bowing at Snowden's knee.
http://theobamadiary.com/2013/07/03/this-and-that-78/
Happy Fourth of July, Hekate 
i laugh when I read that because it shows how little people know about cold war. It never really ended - it just shifted to one of Economics and Manufacturing. Yeah - as IF China in particular is a friend of the average American trying to get by. Hmph.
I grew up with a "Cold Warrior". I think he rolled over in his grave when that nonsense was typed. I mean - even a few days before he died and he was "laying down wisdom" to me one on one he went back to his rant about how we "have to get off this terrorist hiding in the bushes nonsense" and get back to "watching the reds". 
He was one of the first Green Berets and a man of his time - but he was still fighting the Cold War in 2011.
This was related to explain what I had drilled into me growing up. It also probably explains my complete, total opposition to war in general (dad was a pacifist after the bombing in Lebanon) and why I think Iraq and Afghanistan are the stupidest wars ever.
What we could have done as a country if we had spent that money on green energy initiatives - the job creation (local by nature) alone.
Alas - Obama has made it a cornerstone of his Administration as I suspected he would in his second term! Yippee!
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Like your reply there. Was informed last night after having made a bland comment, not condeming ES but simply not caring, just how damned was my spirit in comparison to that of Edward Snowden.
Here is some of the exalted spirit of Snowden. I'm now starting to dislike the man on the basis of the broad accusations and arrogance from his followers.
But here are his own words at the link below. And I am not disliking him for his personality - that's rich coming from those who use such florid terms of praise for him.
It's reminiscent of the love of Ron and Rand Paul and other Libertarian gods.
But with further reading, I'm beginning to dislike him. Not for what he did, since I've decideed most of it is hype, nor who he associates with, who also recieve some nauseatingly fulsome praise here, but for his IDEOLOGY.
Read and see that there is nothing that is liberal, progressive or anything else that this site is supposedly to be about:
How the Professional Left's Blind Obama Hatred Got them Played by a Far-Right Nutjob
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2013/07/how-professional-lefts-blind-obama.html
It's not what I'd call spiritual, not traditionally, new age, or any other kind, or even generically, like me. I hadn't mentioned ES or his or my "spirit" just said I wasn't sure he is a anything more than a media mirage, essentially, and had no hatred for him, one way or the other. That my concern was of private contractors and corporations having my data, that I cannot control.
That was obviously a 'red flag' or 'wrong answer!' to the 'purity test' and garnered the weirdest insult yet, other than the usual:
Obamabot
blind follower
Obama worshipper
partisan hack
Obama asskisser
authoritarian swooner
Obama cheerleader
Obama personality cultist
warmonger
Obama fanboy
Third Way Democrat
Obammer lover
fascist enabler
Obama bootlicker
And the ever faithful:
sheeple...
I'll leave out the profanities. You know, the usual words applied to a member of the Democratic Party who just so happens to support a Democratic President on a website that is named Democratic Underground.
Apparent we are just as welcome here as we would be at the Daily Paul, Free Republic, WND, Breitbart or Libertarian Republican websites. It's still a step up from when I used to post on a site with conservatives calling me and others of my 'ilk' there socialist, godless, baby killing, liberal, (insert crude sexual slurs here), and N-lover. Although I have been designated as black by more than one poster, and my reasoning ability deemed to be lacking on account of that, uh, failing by one poster on DU.
Yeah, nice, very nice.
Meh!
Most importantly, wear those winger blows with pride. It means you're doing something right. A LOT right. Their behavior is disgusting and contemptible, but you are highly esteemed by those of us with a brain and a heart.
I don't know about that term 'professional left', though. The ones in question are posers, perhaps w/o realizing it, and I consider them tools of the right wingers, not actual real lefties at all. A real one would honor what President Obama is doing and trying to do rather than hate him because he doesn't/can't fulfill their every fantasy. They're childish twits at best.
BTW, your takedown of libertarians is the best I've ever read.
Soldier on. You must know that if you try to leave DU, I'll have to hunt you down and drag you kicking and screaming back here. I don't at all know how, but I do know why. Bet I could whip up a posse faster than you can blink, too. 
moved nicely. That's always such an ordeal to be Over!
Happy Fourth of July to you, too.
... including two "illegal" Irish sisters who survived a coffin ship and then lied their way across the border from Canada to the USA; the most recent infusion being my husband's family, survivors of the Holocaust who came here after WW II.
I love this country; my love has been tested by the likes of Baby Caligula, but this is my country.
Happy Fourth of July, Sunseeker!
http://theobamadiary.com/
BOG
Not that we have any Libertarians here but if we did I'm sure they'd label, out of spite or just plain ignorance, anyone that disagrees with them as Authoritarians.
Just keep in mind all these terms thrown at us do not come from within our party.
Happy 4th to all!
lol. what typical nonsense.
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Because to them, all forms of control are by definition authoritarian, except tribal forms. They won't say that directly but that's where this leads.
Which are more oppressive as we've seen in fundamentalist homes that don't believe in sparing the rod, that girls need to be educated, have the right to say no to sex, child bearing or a life of child rearing, vote, or to speak when a man is present.
There are non-religious groups who must follow the demands of their own authoritarians, the petty family and business tyrants, but they get a pass from this group as well.
In fact we are upbraided if we bring up these 'useless social issues' which are major issues to those who are invisible to those a few rungs higher up on the social ladder. Because they believe that by not paying taxes or following laws, they will become wealthy. Not the same class as those who they consider themselves to be above and so they don't care about social issues, since they won't fall on their heads.
So it's only evil when government does something, or has a war? What of the thousands of daily deaths that belong at the feet of these authoritarians never written down in history books? Those invisible lives were people, too, to some of us. Their myopia is showing.
Afghanistan, Somalia and other bastions of freedom and liberty where guns rule, they have no argument with. Mind you, there is a certain liberty, freedom and privacy rights strictly enforced in such cultist groups. No one can register their guns, question their child rearing, or take them in for physical violence, incest or rape in all its manifestations.
Those they commit these things upon, have no liberties, no rights to their own thoughts, not even their own bodies. Invisible victims of the control systems they don't care about.
They are not in the class who argue about civil liberties. Just as in the days of the much vaunted Greek democracies and even the founding of the USA and other countries, that so many adore and want to beat us over the head with, neglect one essential fact in their view of freedom, equality and liberty.
Those societies, and the leisure to discuss these things and determine what was right and wrong, indulge themselves in high ideas with philosophy, were built on the back of slaves, conquest, slaughter, and dispossessing others. Yes, their view is quite narrow.
Libertarians, their spiritual kin the Republicans and the Koch brothers, have several ideals in common. They don't believe in any kind of regulation imposed by those 'filthy democrats', both with little and capital letter d's, while they certainly will regulate the most intimate of control mechanisms on those who are under the control of their leaders.
They have a vision for America, and that nasty government is standing in the way. Except they expect they will maintain their modern life by not paying taxes, and polluting and cheating others, as their right. Those others are another file in their forgetaboutit trash bin.
Thus by attempting to arbitrate between competing forces in society, keeping a government strong enough to stand between them, we are told that it is a police state to hold back natural law, families and the free market following its course. They have a lot of demonization to portray others as being so evil their concerns must never be heard, nor their reasons, logic or excuses. They cannot be allowed to speak, period, they must be shut down by the mob. They and their viewpoints must be destroyed.
On the list are banks or agencies of the government they see as evil. One word trying to explain what is logical is called support for the evil cabal. You are then an enemy of the people, an authoritarian, and against civil liberty, anathema and a scourge. You are ______!
They believe, too, that women's rights to their bodies are not in the natural order when this happens but they claim to be for liberty for all. The social system they want will not give any rights to women or any vulnerable population, period. This is what I call Animal Farm. 'All animals are equal to others. Some animals are more equal than others.' But some will not sign up for the glue factory operated by libertarians.
It's social darwinism under a different name, just as the rich and powerful have always justified their rule. Now it's 'let the market decide, who will live and who will die.' The marriage of theocracy and government won't affect the wealthy. It only affects the 47% who need some help. Planned Parenthood, food stamps, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are thus set up to cater to 'parasites.'
People being denied education, medical care, food or housing by the rich or by religious edict don't bother them. They support living under church or family wealth and dissolution of all programs for those who don't want to surrender their freedom of mind and submit to the intimate tyrannies there.
They conveniently ignore the oppression of sectarian and corporate rule. 'Don't look at the man behind that curtain,' it's on private property as everything should be according to them. Nothing public. You have no right to that information.
Interesting that they finally showed their colors on the issues of information being suppressed. When it's in private hands, there won't be questions to ask, as it's proprietary information, and NOYB.
Talking to a some people wastes time. Paulite zealots reveal themselves by claiming to have voted (D) but show such an thorough hatred and disdain of Democrats and the process, it's not credible, or else they were duped.
They might benefit from a 'you might be a libertarian' check list. There is criticism and demand for reform, but that means being a part of the 'authoritarians' or at least working them, that they do not support while denying that to do so, is to support a plethora of less visible authoritarians.
Well, invisible to them, but all too obvious to many of us.
But mainly it's Obama they cannot bear to look at, listen to or hear about, as he carries out the party platform which can lose them votes as he does so. Those who see that as desirable are 'fascist enablers' and 'authoritarian swooners' which is some pretty messed up name calling.
If you take all the fancy verbiage from the Hedges, Greenwald, Benjamin and the rest of the 'government is evil' squad, they support the status quo of the 1% by giving government no power to oppose them. Likewise those who only want the right to be in the streets to vent, but don't get into the evil government to change it.
They are content to dwell in a factory dedicated to producing an unending supply of poutrage, and nothing else. 'Man the barricades!' is not known as a strategy for changing things as much as getting into and transforming the evil government from within. Yes, 'embracing the horde and serving the state' is what that calls for.
The love of street theater is just what is says, the love of street theater. It can entertain and when the next day comes, the fantasy is over unless the numbers are so huge they represent a voting block. And one that will vote and fearlessly take responsibility to become part of the process, no matter what. The little media circuses we are being fed are not a voting block, but depress voters, as planned.
Libertarians will never want to see the government succeed at anything good, since it's in their way. If you are into 'drowning the government in the bathtub,' you'll toss it out later with the bathwater. You will never hear them leading a cheer for any of the measures taken to help the poor and downtrodden. It is ironic when this game is being played with liberals who fall for it consistently.
They never care about the issues of the platform or celebrate any good done, because they don't believe they are proper. They are for more Libertarians in power, period.
Their interests reflect those of the Pauls and are never interested in the rights of women, minorities, nor voting rights or health care or the social safety nets.
They don't believe in any of that, but will use any failure to flog Democrats with and depress them. It's a cynical ploy to beat on the ones trying to make things work, but that they want eliminated.
They will use any crisis to promote their 'It's every man for himself and god against all,' to 'drown the government in the bathtub.' They hate representative democracy, but then, private hierarchies are not democracies at all.
They know better than to openly say that or to promote tribalism here, but it's the end result of their fervent desire to destroy government. They call those who work within the government or receive benefits 'statists,' 'moochers,' 'fascists' and 'authoritarians.' They are getting more upfront when they call those who support the US government for any reason, 'authoritarian enablers.' Anyone that disagrees is a 'fascist,' since they didn't join the 'freedom express.'
They refuse to answer the question on what is proper government function or services, since they are either woefully uninformed about how things work, or do not want to see any. I suspect the latter which leads them to not take the time to learn the former. Although it is possible it's the other way around, all attempts to explain how things work are pointedly ignored, which indicates it is the latter.
By default they want the 'free market' and 'the invisible hand' to do it all, just as the Koch brothers do. If we bring out stories of their involvement with the same, we are called authoritarian stooges.
When people use such strategies and are not honest about their goals, I don't bother to respond here or in real life.
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We see this daily in those who want less regulation, seek to impose their faith on others. Those entities are well-funded and have operated at a less open level than any government ever has done.
It a matter of history that they create dissension and conflict to weaken any secular authority as well as anything that stands in the way of their profit and power. We ignore these groups at our peril, and idealism or holding our noses at anything, will not make them go away.
That they are not part of a discussion when people trash all the government in knee-jerk fashion, strikes me being very ignorant or else dishonest. We cannot afford willful ignorance and blind faith something will magically arise to take place of our demanding 'We The People' style of governance. Leave the 'We' out of that equation and you get corporatism and/or theocracy. Every single time.
There are always those ready to take control, who are doing so today, right in our faces. They know too many will find excuses to not lower themselves to work with others. Their motto is that those who do get involved are all crooks, with bad motives, but I see them in this quote:
He who says there is no such thing as an honest man, is himself a knave.
~ George Berkeley
Thus it is pointless to talk to them, since they choose to ignore the real world. The one that is crushing real people, while they stand by and jeer.
It's ironic when they yell at us, to wake up, that we are sheeple, when they slept through history classes and are still sleeping through reality.
I didn't want to start a new thread in the BOG -- and definitely not in GodDam -- but this one is still getting a trickle of action, so I thought I'd say it here.
I'll check in a little bit at the BOG and for PMs, but kids, this place is worse than it ever was before I checked out for two years the last time. I feel like I need to have my head examined for sticking around this long, i.e. from election night 2012 till now.
Love and peace to you all here in the BOG,
Hekate
We need you here. When I get upset I just avoid the front page and change my default view to subscriptions:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=mysubs
That's one way to never see any Obama-hating posts.
What you see will be limited to groups you subscribe to, and you can change them any time.
I subscribe to BOG, Energy and Environment, Computers, and Frugal Living.
and
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on a shoe string!
BOG now.. thanks to sheshe and our other BOGgers who make up this Group. And, what a group, huh? Those who appreciate and understand President Barack Obama and don't have a ugly hate bone in their body directed at his busy self. 
Mahalo, Hekate.. I always enjoy your posts wherever they are.
BOG
