I'm cracking up here. But I'm honored, too.

[NYC_SKP]

And that's all I'm sayin' at this point.

Obama, I hope this all works out and I don't care how it got done, I'm giving you credit, baby!



I'm hearing the likes of Hannity and Rush complaining about how Obama fucked up and how inept he is and how he doesn't deserve any credit.

[seabeyond]

1. i really would think everyone on du would cheer. imagine my surprise to see the vehemence ugliness

toward fellow democrats because obama was able to choose a solution that would not vilify him with the majority of his supposed supporters. i truly am flabbergasted by the reactions i am seeing today. totally surprised.

[NYC_SKP]

3. This is one of those times when what I read hear and what I hear on the Sean Hannity show.

Are pretty much the same.

[seabeyond]

8. silly me. years ago i learned ot step back and allow things to play out without a strong position,

understanding action/reaction. listening, thinking, understanding and moving forward. i think this is what happens. people look at the beginning as a now with no shifting and they stake a position. in staking the position they make themselves vulnerable to shifting situations. new info. new realities. and the anger at still arguing the first moments when the end is totally different from what they were arguing.

k

one of my confusing woo woo thoughts. but, it works for me in understanding.

periodically i still jump the gun, and too often get pie in the face, so i have learned to not come to any unmovable position while things are still happening.

[Sanddog42]

38. I think you're absolutely right.

It's one thing to express your support for a particular viewpoint, but the stronger you put it out there, the harder it is to see contrary facts that may arise. I think it literally impacts the ability of our brains to perceive evidence to the contrary.

[Jackpine Radical]

40. One of the primal defining traits of the authoritaran personality

is to leap to an early conclusion and then cling to it long past the time when it has become obvious to everyone else that it is wrong.

[longship]

42. Ding, ding, ding, ding, DING! A winner!

I try to stay out of the corner, not because I don't have an opinion, but because opinions on DU are so often punished.

I have nobody on ignore because I respect opinions counter to mine. I am not always correct on things, but I try very diligently to get it right.

But personal attacks, stalking, baiting thread titles, and other rubbish ruins rational discussion. So I am staying in the corner on many issues because I have no intentions of enabling those who act so poorly here.

I try to remain polite and often thank people who take the trouble to respond, even when I disagree.

That's how to make DU a better place.

Way to go, Seabeyond.

[bpositive]

52. More people should do this

I do the same thing- people are too quick to jump to conclusions. Another thing, Obama' behavior was so out of character that I knew there was something else going on.

[ismnotwasm]

55. One of the reasons I like the president

Not only support, which I do; but like, is his ability to is piss off the left and the right to the point I can't tell the difference between the two with vitriol that's spewed. It's actually a talking point I use this to piss off family right wingers--"hey he pisses off the left too"--shuts them right up

I'm one of those who doesn't agree with everything, think all sane presidents (dubya's sanity is a iffy proposition--he needed any criticism he could get) need healthy criticism and far too much of what we've seen lately isn't healthy, or constructive, or true.

I'm like you, I started researching Syria, had a "oh shit" moment and understood the situation was very complex. I'm very glad bombs aren't falling and we seem to have reached a diplomatic solution-- that was the best possible outcome given the current facts as I understand them

[Cha]

56. Good point, ismnotwasm..

"Not only support, which I do; but like, is his ability to is piss off the left and the right to the point I can't tell the difference between the two with vitriol that's spewed."

[Peacetrain]

35. That is where I am

I am past disbelief.. I have read some threads that had me laughing so hard, I was almost crying..

"If he would only do what we say he should do..but noooo.." wait wait he did what? "Damn, he did that... what a loser.. what was he thinking"

or better yet.. this is one that has been cracking me up..

"It is because of us.. our doing.. sitting here at our keyboards, that things are going this way.."

I can't imagine what will be up after the Presidents speech.. but I am sure it is going to be good

[mcar]

16. They can't stand being wrong

It would be sad if the situation wasn't so serious.

[seabeyond]

18. i do nto think they were necessarily wrong, not seeing bombing as a good idea. i think they had a

very real, valid point.

i think people did not do a lot of listening to each other, and was more a battle. but, we have a solution that should appease both sides. no bombing and retribution for chemical weapon use. we should all be thrilled that obama and others were able to get to this place.

[Jackpine Radical]

21. Mostly I just see people being cautiously happy

that we may avoid a very nasty situation.

[DevonRex]

22. Seabeyond, what a nice thing to say.

I really appreciate it, especially after having been called an Al Qaeda fan for supporting Obama.

But it was obvious to me from the start that this was a real game of chicken, in game theory terms. Brinkmanship, if you will, on a small scale since Syria isn't a nuclear power. But its backer is. That means Russia had to be stared down. We still don't know if it has worked. PBO still has to look as if he will strike if they don't cooperate. Although he can tone it down a smidgen, he still has to be the wild card in this game.

And we don't know what Russia has promised to Syria in return for giving up those CW. Or if they have cooked up a way to hide some. Perhaps a Nobel Prize is all Putin wants. Somehow I'm skeptical.

[rbrnmw]

54. yes exactly

I never thought PBO wanted to go to war, but a good negotiator always has some chips to negotiate with.

[grantcart]

46. good to see you around

[madokie]

2. The more they howl the more I know President O is doing good

Not only is he doing good but he's doing the right thing. He knows as well as I and many of us know and that is any thing he is for they are against. Hell I seen that early on.

[NYC_SKP]

4. I'm glad we all have a sensible contingent of calm rational supporters of the president.

And you are IN!



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1102

[madokie]

39. I am happy and Honored

thanks.
I see this man working his butt off for us each and every day, day in and day out. What I like about him the most is he works just as hard for the people who don't support him as he does those of us who do. I don't think we've ever had a better person than President Obama in the oval office. History will reflect that too.

[kestrel91316]

45. [phone]

[sheshe2]

50. Welcome madokie,

I just saw the news!

[madokie]

53. Thank you

Its nice to be with kindred spirits.

[Whisp]

6. hey madokie. welcome to hosting. :)

It's like groundhog day (the movie) here, isn't it?
oiy, how many times have we done this. lol. Obama bad man, Obama seller outter, then things settle down to show he is not quite that, so a long shot. He gets shit done. then the whining about something else starts. The new bauble seems to be that All of us BOGger cheerleaders and accusing Everyone who tried to cut him off at the knees of being a Racisssssssst! And we are warmongering bloodthirsty debils!

they got nuttin'.

[IrishAyes]

47. they got nuttin'

Old slogan: When you're right, pound the facts. When you're wrong, pound the table.

[greatauntoftriplets]

9. Welcome aboard!

[Cha]

12. Welcome to the BOG, madokie~

[warrprayer]

5. Peace

... that is all.

[NYC_SKP]

10. LOL...

That video:

"you'll probably end up in a refugee camp, but it'll have free wi-fi."

[tridim]

7. For some reason all I can think about is that awful thread about Kerry and botox.

Has John Kerry Had Some Plastic Surgery Or Botox Treatments To His Face?.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023588479

Neo-DU is so damn ugly.

Obama did good, as always.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

25. I think the past three months or so (since Snowden) has been a horror for many in here.

To see the progressive agenda potentially undone by progressives has been a nightmare. Some of the more blatantly expletive laden posts have also turned me off to many here in DU. At least I know who keeps their heads.

[Cha]

11. You have a strong stomach, SKP! It was the same ol shit when PBO

gave the order to get bin laden. He didn't deserve any credit but if it had gone wrong then everyone could jump down his throat like sharks on a feeding frenzy.

See how that works.

[NYC_SKP]

13. Check it out. I'm cracking up because I was plagiarized today by William Rivers Pitt!

I posted this reply: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3638687

Then he posted this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023638905#op

Don't get me wrong, I love William Rivers Pitt as much as the next DU member...

But not so much as a simple attribution!!!

DU Meta is BACK!!!

[In_The_Wind]

17. Congratulations!

[Cha]

19. Meta is back indeed!

[greatauntoftriplets]

33. It's been back for a long time!

[IrishAyes]

48. Yeah, I've even seen bumper stickers

saying "Obama didn't kill bin Laden. Seal Team Six did."

Right; as if Seal Team Six roams the world, choosing its own targets, operating with no control or support... Talk about whining!

[Cha]

51. They don't act without the intelligence gathering

and command from the CIC. Bam.

[greatauntoftriplets]

14. You're very cryptic today!

Is hell about to freeze over?

[NYC_SKP]

24. LOL!

Usually I'm such a hard read, right?

[greatauntoftriplets]

28. This may be a first...

I'm getting a good laugh out of GD.

[michigandem58]

15. Here's another one!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023637685

[Cha]

20. I absolutely love love love

ProSense's response!

[JustAnotherGen]

32. Oh hell!

I just love Prosense - ALL of Pro's response!

[Cha]

37. ..

[SleeplessinSoCal]

23. Since everything the POTUS does is serious stuff, it's hard to laugh at anything.

But the "unLoyal Opposition" is so overt and unAmerican, that their ulcers will make my day.

[Warpy]

26. I'm glad he was able to act like a big enough bastard

to put the fear into Assad even if he was scaring the hell out of me at the same time.

I was hoping the Russians were working overtime to prevent war. Nobody with any sense at all wants war and it doesn't matter how limited it is, it always sets the stage for the next war.

So yes, I give props to Obama for carrying that big stick. It made Putin's carrot look a lot tastier.

And I have no doubt that he'd have used it if Congress could be brought around to vote for using it.

[mountain grammy]

36. I think Obama looked that murderer in the eye and scared him plenty..

which was the general idea (he scared me too.) Giving Putin so much credit, also part of the agreement.

This is a good day for Americans and a very good day for Democrats.

[IrishAyes]

49. Great post

But President Obama hasn't made such a point of the fact that he doesn't absolutely require congressional approval because he wouldn't move w/o it. He wanted them to know he would if necessary in the end.

Though I do believe he's sincere about reducing some presidential perogatives.

[BainsBane]

27. Is that thread

by WillPitt about you?

[Cryptoad]

29. Thank you Mr President!

This just one of the reason I voted for you twice!

[Frustratedlady]

30. I've been nervous all day, but have a good feeling about tonight's speech.

Why? Because I trust Obama and always tend to give him enough space to carry out his duties HIS way.

His mind works differently than most of us and I find it a major process to try to figure him out. The only thing I can come up with is that he is always a ton of steps ahead of the rest of us. Of course, he has different information to work with than we do, so he has the advantage, but he is sharp as hell and does that Obama dance none of us have learned...including our enemies and the Republican party.

Go, Obama! Got your back!

[Iliyah]

31. I remember when the DU was very informative

with articles that based on fact. Poster posted in kind and there was not too much vitriol towards each other nor towards Pres O or any other Dems. Poster were truly concerned about what was happening in Amercia and around the world. That part seems to have disappeared and I find myself viewing non-stop RW crap spewed by these posters.

President Obama will be speaking this evening. Rand Paul will follow as a rebuttal and I cringe. His followers will truly trash Pres O again, no doubt on that.

[Beartracks]

34. Saying President Obama is fucked up and inept is meaningless...

.... when you say it about EVERY. THING. HE. DOES. OR. SAYS. EVER.

"The President wants _X_? Then we are against _X_ because _X_ is stupid, dangerous, and wrong for America!"

"Wait, what? You mean he really wanted _Y_ after all? Then we are against _Y_ because _Y_ is stupid, dangerous, and wrong for America! (And so is his obvious flip-flopping!)"

That's why the right has zilch credibility except among its most ardent sycophants.

The right is, generally, bereft of ideas and is merely self-absorbed in its radical knee-jerk reactionary posturing. Their entire national policy position is: 1) Wait and see what Obama seems to want to do, and b) oppose it. Nothing pro-active about the GOP at all.

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[Dr Hobbitstein]

41. I've noticed that MOST of the anti's ramblings about today's

revelations pretty much parrot right wing talking points...

I don't want to believe that some of the most popular posters on DU are really wingers, but the evidence seems to point that way...

Then they'll go and post something truly progressive that I can fully support... I'm starting to think the left/right scale is really a circle.

[kestrel91316]

43. A sort of figured he'd parlay this into a win for peace and a win for him.

He's not stupid, and he's not greedy, and he's not bloodthirsty.

Eff the DUers who screeched that he was.

[NYC_SKP]

44. He's as smart as shrub was stupid, and as good and shrub was evil.

Or Cheney, ewwww.