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sheshe2

(87,309 posts)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 08:38 PM Sep 2013

Obama’s Magnificent Stealth Negotiation With Putin

The September 6 discussion between Obama and Putin, reported to have lasted 20 minutes, happened during the G-20 summit, which addressed the use of poison gas by the regime of Syria’s Bashar-al-Assad on August 21, which was in violation of the 1997 international agreement prohibiting the use of chemical weapons. I can’t help but wonder what really went on in those 20 minutes when Obama spoke with Putin. I have my ideas, though.

The smart negotiator, in order to secure his objective, needs to make the other side envision what’s in it for him, if he gives the other side what it wants. Obama is keen on avoiding military intervention in the Middle East, and he also wants Syria to honor the international law against chemical weapons. The more international support Obama gets in favor of making Syria give up its chemical weapons of mass destruction to ward off military strikes, the better for everyone. And, as a nation with its own military might, Russia’s Putin is an important guy to be part of Obama’s support network.

Everyone wants to be the hero, and I’m pretty sure, in those 20 minutes, Obama planted the seeds and painted a vision in Putin’s mind that the Russian leader could be exactly that. You can’t deny the timing of Putin’s announcement, so soon after he conversed with Obama. If there’s one thing for negotiators can learn from the attempts at Syria-related diplomacy over the past few days – and Putin’s involvement in it – it’s this. Great negotiators never take credit. It’s always the other side’s idea. And I suspect there was quite a bit of that going on during those 20 minutes.


Read more here~

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimcamp/2013/09/11/obamas-magnificent-stealth-negotiation-with-putin/

Found Here~

http://theobamadiary.com/

Edit to add.

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Obama’s Magnificent Stealth Negotiation With Putin (Original Post) sheshe2 Sep 2013 OP
K n R Abukhatar Sep 2013 #1
Hi Abukhatar. sheshe2 Sep 2013 #2
ecstatic Abukhatar Sep 2013 #3
Welcome from my corner too. IrishAyes Sep 2013 #7
In politics, you can either take credit, or get things done. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #4
So true SunSeeker. sheshe2 Sep 2013 #5
President Lincoln never wanted to destroy his enemies either IrishAyes Sep 2013 #6
Yes, I wish I had the self-discipline to work with enemies to my advantage. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #8
We have other important roles to fill. IrishAyes Sep 2013 #9
Well, you're among friends here. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #11
Good to know; thanks. IrishAyes Sep 2013 #12
Sweet, sheshe.. I was just coming to Cha Sep 2013 #10
The money quote, she~ Cha Sep 2013 #13
The clown car sure is getting full, Cha. sheshe2 Sep 2013 #16
And, they get to write OPEDs in the NYT and Cha Sep 2013 #18
Great post! I am late to the game, but SO glad to find this forum. classof56 Sep 2013 #14
Classof56! sheshe2 Sep 2013 #17
Thank you, sheshe2 classof56 Sep 2013 #21
Welcome back, classof56. I think I saw you Cha Sep 2013 #19
Many thanks to you, Cha classof56 Sep 2013 #22
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #15
I'll tell you something else smart negotiators never do, she.. Cha Sep 2013 #20
recc giftedgirl77 Sep 2013 #23

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
7. Welcome from my corner too.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:08 PM
Sep 2013

I've been terribly lax in saying so lately, but I welcome all new members. You enrich and encourage us and are much appreciated.

SunSeeker

(53,616 posts)
4. In politics, you can either take credit, or get things done.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:00 PM
Sep 2013

President Obama chose to get things done.

sheshe2

(87,309 posts)
5. So true SunSeeker.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:03 PM
Sep 2013

I have said before and will keep on saying, he cares about Our Legacy and not his own.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
6. President Lincoln never wanted to destroy his enemies either
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:04 PM
Sep 2013

Turning them into friends, or at least pulling their fangs! works much better. Even if enemies only become friends of convenience, that's a practical step forward.

Frenemies. As said so often before by those far wiser than I, "Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies closer." I'll bet somewhere in his thick skull, Putin knows he's outmatched.

SunSeeker

(53,616 posts)
8. Yes, I wish I had the self-discipline to work with enemies to my advantage.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:12 PM
Sep 2013

Unfortunately, I just can't control my disgust. I have the same problem with my in-laws. LOL.

That's why Obama is President and folks like me aren't.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
9. We have other important roles to fill.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:27 PM
Sep 2013

Like keeping the world safe from in-laws.

Don't get me started on mine. I've seen some lovely ones, and kids who swear by them, but mine were straight from the bowels of hell. At an age far too young to marry, though typical in its day, I thought I was getting Morris Dees. Turned out to be closer to David Duke. I don't know if I was blind stupid or he changed, but I've never run so fast in my life once my feet got in gear. It was enough to keep me single the rest of my life.

Anyway, whatever our station in life, we all have an important part to play. At my age I can do little but carry a spear, and I use it to lean on for balance more than anything else.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
12. Good to know; thanks.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:41 PM
Sep 2013

And I return that feeling in kind. I'm generally a happy camper but still capable of knee-jerk flashbacks.

Cha

(305,196 posts)
13. The money quote, she~
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:51 PM
Sep 2013
"If there’s one thing for negotiators can learn from the attempts at Syria-related diplomacy over the past few days – and Putin’s involvement in it – it’s this. Great negotiators never take credit. It’s always the other side’s idea. And I suspect there was quite a bit of that going on during those 20 minutes."

Yes, President Obama is the smart negotiator but some punditheads with agendas can't stand giving any credit to the President. The President is quietly taking care of business while all the ignorant rage foments around him. Clowns to left and clowns to the right.

So glad there are those who do get it and they're writing about it!

Mahalo, she

sheshe2

(87,309 posts)
16. The clown car sure is getting full, Cha.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:26 PM
Sep 2013

What people don't get is he works calmly, quietly and takes the bad guys out with due diligence. As the article states...

Great negotiators never take credit. It’s always the other side’s idea.

He's got it!

BOG

Cha

(305,196 posts)
18. And, they get to write OPEDs in the NYT and
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:33 PM
Sep 2013

lie about what they think.. "we must not forget that God created us equal".

To which I say.. tell that to the GLBT community in Russia, Putin.

classof56

(5,376 posts)
14. Great post! I am late to the game, but SO glad to find this forum.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:58 PM
Sep 2013

Renews my faith in DU, upon which I have been close to giving up lately.

Blessings to all!

Cha

(305,196 posts)
19. Welcome back, classof56. I think I saw you
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:34 PM
Sep 2013

in the BOG.. a long long time ago.

Blessings to you~

classof56

(5,376 posts)
22. Many thanks to you, Cha
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 09:27 AM
Sep 2013

I've been on DU a long time, but didn't recall checking out the BOG. Let's call it a senior moment. I'm gettin' up there!

Blessings and hugs back atcha! Look forward to the positive posts and comments on this forum for years to come. My stress level is diminishing already!


Cha

(305,196 posts)
20. I'll tell you something else smart negotiators never do, she..
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 05:14 AM
Sep 2013

They never negotiate from a position of weakness. Bam.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
23. recc
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 06:14 PM
Sep 2013

Thanks sheshe this place is always a safe haven in what is becoming an ever increasing hostile environment. I'm in awe in what I see going on around this place as of late.

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